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WCDT Strips 3631 to 3635 (11th to 15th December 2017
dutchrvl:
--- Quote from: Bad Superman on 10 Dec 2017, 21:58 --- After all, his general lethargy has cost Marten his relationship with Dora (well, that, and her own issues) and maybe this was kind of a wake-up-call for him not to screw up with Claire…
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It still surprises me when people seem to place a lot (or even most) of the blame on Marten for that breakup.
While he could’ve done things better in that relationship, for sure, his passiveness had very little, if anything , to do with it failing, IMO.
maneyan:
--- Quote from: dutchrvl on 11 Dec 2017, 05:21 ---
--- Quote from: Bad Superman on 10 Dec 2017, 21:58 --- After all, his general lethargy has cost Marten his relationship with Dora (well, that, and her own issues) and maybe this was kind of a wake-up-call for him not to screw up with Claire…
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It still surprises me when people seem to place a lot (or even most) of the blame on Marten for that breakup.
While he could’ve done things better in that relationship, for sure, his passiveness had very little, if anything , to do with it failing, IMO.
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Weeeell.... that's the thing about being lethargic or passive, it NEVER is something you did, because you never do anything. It's true Dora had a large part of it, but considering she could make things work with Tai pretty briefly afterwards implies that she isn't just some monster who can never be happy. Like Hanners, Marten needed to learn to set boundaries. He didn't really do that and simply got mad when Dora overstepped them. Again, Dora was the main reason it all came crashing down, but Marten did pretty much nothing proactively to try to help it either, and I believe that's the point.
TinPenguin:
Well, the first interesting thing in the Tilly arc has nothing to do with Tilly...
...do robots now work most of the low-paid service jobs in QCverse? Are AIs the social equivalent of immigrants?
Cornelius:
--- Quote from: maneyan on 11 Dec 2017, 05:47 ---... but considering she could make things work with Tai pretty briefly afterwards implies that she isn't just some monster who can never be happy. ...
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Thing is, he was making things work with Claire as well - if we're detecting cracks now, it might just be becaus they've been given the spotlight. Who knows how things are with Dora and Tai now?
I do agree that Marten should learn to set his own boundaries, and be somewhat more proactive in dealing with possible crossing of said boundaries.
--- Quote from: dutchrvl on 11 Dec 2017, 05:16 ---One theme that has not really been explored yet is possible conflict between a human and AI companion.
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You've got to wonder how it keeps working with Pintsize.
The change of chassis, and the added independence that comes with it, are factors that may heavily influence their relationship - and I shouldn't wonder that it takes some time to adapt for them as well. Momo seemed to take to it very swiftly - but then for her it was more a change of scale.
mercykills:
--- Quote from: maneyan on 11 Dec 2017, 05:47 ---
--- Quote from: dutchrvl on 11 Dec 2017, 05:21 ---
--- Quote from: Bad Superman on 10 Dec 2017, 21:58 --- After all, his general lethargy has cost Marten his relationship with Dora (well, that, and her own issues) and maybe this was kind of a wake-up-call for him not to screw up with Claire…
--- End quote ---
It still surprises me when people seem to place a lot (or even most) of the blame on Marten for that breakup.
While he could’ve done things better in that relationship, for sure, his passiveness had very little, if anything , to do with it failing, IMO.
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Weeeell.... that's the thing about being lethargic or passive, it NEVER is something you did, because you never do anything. It's true Dora had a large part of it, but considering she could make things work with Tai pretty briefly afterwards implies that she isn't just some monster who can never be happy. Like Hanners, Marten needed to learn to set boundaries. He didn't really do that and simply got mad when Dora overstepped them. Again, Dora was the main reason it all came crashing down, but Marten did pretty much nothing proactively to try to help it either, and I believe that's the point.
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A lack of set boundaries weren't the issue, though. It was Dora's irrational jealousy and insecurities. Which she worked on and thus, why she's making it work with Tai.
I mean, hell, Martin could have been the most proactive boyfriend ever. Short of him breaking off his friendship with Faye and every other female from then until perpetuity AND blinding himself so, he couldn't even look at another woman in passing, yea...there was ZIP he could have done to have salvaged that one. As I said, you can't set boundaries there because boundaries are logic and logic and irrational fears don't mix.
Look, I love Dora and it pissed me off when people tried to put ANY part of Faye's self-destruction on her. But, just like Faye had to own her bullsh*t, Dora has to own hers.
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