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WCDT Strips 3631 to 3635 (11th to 15th December 2017
dutchrvl:
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--- Quote from: Bad Superman on 10 Dec 2017, 21:58 --- After all, his general lethargy has cost Marten his relationship with Dora (well, that, and her own issues) and maybe this was kind of a wake-up-call for him not to screw up with Claire…
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It still surprises me when people seem to place a lot (or even most) of the blame on Marten for that breakup.
While he could’ve done things better in that relationship, for sure, his passiveness had very little, if anything , to do with it failing, IMO.
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Weeeell.... that's the thing about being lethargic or passive, it NEVER is something you did, because you never do anything. It's true Dora had a large part of it, but considering she could make things work with Tai pretty briefly afterwards implies that she isn't just some monster who can never be happy. Like Hanners, Marten needed to learn to set boundaries. He didn't really do that and simply got mad when Dora overstepped them. Again, Dora was the main reason it all came crashing down, but Marten did pretty much nothing proactively to try to help it either, and I believe that's the point.
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I don't disagree that Marten's passiveness is sometimes an issue for him, for sure, especially in his career. However, in his relationship with Dora that passiveness was not a big reason for the failure at all. That Dora and Tai is working well has more to do with the lack of any Faye/Marten-type history in combination with Dora working on her issues vis-a-vis insecurities/control. Which is great btw, because I love Dora as a character:)
As for Marten and boundaries, he was in fact very clear about his boundary with regards to his porn preference. Dora completely ignoring that immediately had nothing to do with Marten not setting any boundaries.
Shjade:
--- Quote from: dutchrvl on 11 Dec 2017, 07:00 ---As for Marten and boundaries, he was in fact very clear about his boundary with regards to his porn preference. Dora completely ignoring that immediately had nothing to do with Marten not setting any boundaries.
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Yeah, Marten's apathetic at times, but he's told people how he wants things to be on several occasions. Often followed by having those preferences immediately ignored. Definitely not the issue in the Dora relationship case.
TheEvilDog:
--- Quote from: mercykills on 11 Dec 2017, 06:37 ---
--- Quote from: maneyan on 11 Dec 2017, 05:47 ---
--- Quote from: dutchrvl on 11 Dec 2017, 05:21 ---
--- Quote from: Bad Superman on 10 Dec 2017, 21:58 --- After all, his general lethargy has cost Marten his relationship with Dora (well, that, and her own issues) and maybe this was kind of a wake-up-call for him not to screw up with Claire…
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It still surprises me when people seem to place a lot (or even most) of the blame on Marten for that breakup.
While he could’ve done things better in that relationship, for sure, his passiveness had very little, if anything , to do with it failing, IMO.
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Weeeell.... that's the thing about being lethargic or passive, it NEVER is something you did, because you never do anything. It's true Dora had a large part of it, but considering she could make things work with Tai pretty briefly afterwards implies that she isn't just some monster who can never be happy. Like Hanners, Marten needed to learn to set boundaries. He didn't really do that and simply got mad when Dora overstepped them. Again, Dora was the main reason it all came crashing down, but Marten did pretty much nothing proactively to try to help it either, and I believe that's the point.
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A lack of set boundaries weren't the issue, though. It was Dora's irrational jealousy and insecurities. Which she worked on and thus, why she's making it work with Tai.
I mean, hell, Martin could have been the most proactive boyfriend ever. Short of him breaking off his friendship with Faye and every other female from then until perpetuity AND blinding himself so, he couldn't even look at another woman in passing, yea...there was ZIP he could have done to have salvaged that one. As I said, you can't set boundaries there because boundaries are logic and logic and irrational fears don't mix.
Look, I love Dora and it pissed me off when people tried to put ANY part of Faye's self-destruction on her. But, just like Faye had to own her bullsh*t, Dora has to own hers.
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Oh god, I really have gone back in time to 2010...
dutchrvl:
--- Quote from: BenRG on 11 Dec 2017, 02:09 ---New Comic Up
Now, even Jeph is being very clear about the degree to which Tilly is sucking the joy out of Hannelore's life to the point where I'm now convinced that this the whole point of the arc.
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Let's get back on track here and not devolve into 2010-era discussions then.
Curious what the main point is going to be. May be Hanners asserting herself and making very clear that Tilly is not a good addition to her life, or maybe a setup for conflict between Hanners and Winslow and a potential parting in their companionship?
I'd be interested in the latter.
gopher:
Maybe re-hashing Marten/Dora YET again reflects how unengaged some posters are with the current arc.
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