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WCDT Strips 3656-3660 (15th to 19th January 2018)

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ChipNoir:

--- Quote from: Milayna on 17 Jan 2018, 22:16 ---ChipNoir: You have no idea what a "safe Space" is, yet feel qualified to pontificate about it. Ironically enough, that's the same kind of arrogance that you are criticizing in Evie.

Imagine you're a trans person. Everywhere you go, people are shitty. Ohhhhh believe ChipNoir, if you're a LGBTQ, or autistic, or POC, or what have you, you are QUITE AWARE that the world is shitty, thank you very FUCKING much. A "safe Space" is an area where you can be assured no one's going to, say, put a bullet between your eyes because you wanted to take a piss. You can be there, and for the briefest respite, know that people accept you, you are safe...until you have to venture out to where all the shitty people are, again.

A "Safe Space" isn't a place for white cis etc people to go to avoid rude people or people being shitty bigots to each other, though I'm sure that's a convenient notion for justifying your notion of the cloistered college campus.

"Safe Spaces" often exist on college campuses BECAUSE the environment brings together so many people who've experienced various forms of bigotry, and the students, far from running away, decided to CONFRONT that by establishing an area where bigoted threats are not tolerated.

And for the record, it isn't anybody's duty to educate you about such things. You are capable of learning about them on your own, if you truly care. I simply decided to do so of my own prerogative.

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The rub here is I am LGBT. Invisibly so, and full of privilege as white gay male, I grant you, but I grew up with violent displays of bigotry during my coming out days in high school, so yes, I know what what a relief Safe Spaces brings. But the problem is that safe space limits your exposure to how to handle those situations when you can't control your environment. You can't shout at a biggot and shame them into vanishing into a puff of evil smelling smoke.  This is something I've witnessed first hand with some younger friends that have come out of college, and gotten into nasty situations where they thought they could just shout down biggotry, and got VERY hurt, so perhaps this is giving me a biased view. I have to go with my own protective instincts on this, and what I see as not working to help people in the long run.

I really do feel like there's so much pressure to push that kind of stuff out that when graduated students are faced with it alone post-college, they're not going to have the tools and resources to deal with it except to lash out violently, be it physical violence, character assassination (Something I'm prone to doing a lot on social media till recently) I understand why; It's to protect what you hold to be important. But methods can actually destroy that.

I'm already seeing people comment that they want to punch Evie. That kinda visceral reaction happens when people don't have the resources to resolve a problem any other way, and I'm seeing more and more people take this kinda mentality when dealing with anything they perceive as a threat, which provides little long term solution. It just creates lines in the sand, and generational conflict. You can shame a biggot all you want, but it won't make them vanish into thin air.

Every time I see Bubbles encounter biggotry, I have a TON of admiration for her. She could have hurt a lot of people, and by a lot of people's moral beliefs today, that'd be accepted, because biggotry has no easier answer than to punch it in the jaw. But every time, even with the apex of evil that was Corpse Witch, she's taken the higher ground. It breaks my heart that Evie walks all over her deep rooted traumas unknowlingly, but I do think Bubble's approach to this is the best possible one. She controls her own agency, and she reaches out to people she knows will listen, and decides when where and IF she'll have a conflict with someone.  I really do admire that.

I want to amend this by stating that I do not claim you are wrong. You could very well be right, and I'm out of line. I'm even adding a like to your comment, because this is what I feel is more important than safe spaces: Talking with people, even if you think they're literally so wrong they might as well be saying the sky is green. One or both of us will think about this now, and reflect on how we think about the situation. I know I will, and that's far more important to me.

mercykills:

--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 17 Jan 2018, 22:52 ---Someone with more recent first-hand experience feel free to correct me. but I was under the impression that universities were environments very aware of injustice and bigotry.

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As a university educated person, a POC , and a person with a broken mental state, I can only offer you these three words: "Bigots Are Everywhere.".

And a few years at Uni are very rarely going to erase a lifetime of learned prejudices and hate. Thus the inherent problems with so called "safe spaces".

Thank, Fate, that foolishness was a few years after my time. >.>

Now, as I said above,  Evie is not an AI bigot, I believe, she's just excitable about a subject she's been studying forEVER(lol) and suffers from something I like to call "foot in mouth" diseases. Sure, you don't mean any harm but that won't cause you from causing it.

JoeCovenant:

--- Quote from: A Duck on 17 Jan 2018, 15:51 ---Melon has a point. I was noticing that Faye and her sister are drawn exactly the same, except for hair, glasses and expressions.

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There seems to be a sizing issue with them at times though.

JoeCovenant:

--- Quote from: Milayna on 17 Jan 2018, 22:02 ---...And I see nothing wrong with Faye taking the money that Melon offered. I don't understand how people are saying that Faye "took advantage" of Melon - to what length is one supposed to go to to refuse a freely-offered benefit to prove themselves "not a terrible person"?
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That's an easy one.
"Is $100 Dollars enough?"
"Nah, that's WAY too much... gimme a $20."

(And even *that* would exploitation)

Faye's reaction showed quite clearly that she KNEW Melon had no idea how much she should be offering.
But she still took the money.

However... as someone stated above - this may well be an indication that Faye isn't doing too well financially - IE casting aside her moral compass to keep the cash she sorely needs, from someone who doesn't "know the value"... but it doesn't make it any less exploitative.

MrNumbers:
Oh man, I get to be the ray of positivity for once. I love it when this happens.

I'm calling her Ev for short, because I think it suits her, and it's easier to type. Moving briskly on.

I really like Ev. I think she's cool, she's been rolling with Faye's punches really well, we've seen her be generally positive and well meaning. Sure, she's said some stuff that Bubbles has taken the wrong way, but largely she's been very... gracious about it?

She's learning her audience by making mistakes there, and when Bubbles signals discomfort she doesn't backpedal hard, but she does clarify intent immediately rather than doubling down on it.

Basically, she takes Bubbles being uncomfortable about certain things seriously without pushing either of them into defensiveness.

Remember that Bubbles is a naturally defensive, wounded character. It might not be a reflection of Ev, but of Bubbles hangups getting poked. And there are so many other reasons Bubbles could feel weird right now, Ev being only one of them. Faye's sister, Bubbles seeing someone in a happy relationship with someone so Faye-like, them all openly ogling her, Bubbles having very low self esteem etc. etc. are all also things happening right now.

Remember. Ev can say things that are hurtful to Bubbles in a way that reflects more on Bubbles for being hurt, than Ev for being hurtful. That can just be a true thing.

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