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WCDT strips 3666 to 3670 (29th January to 2nd February 2018)
traroth:
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--- Quote from: fayelovesbubbles on 31 Jan 2018, 00:24 ---"Bubbles needs to chill, Evie didn't mean any harm."
Gee, where have I heard something like that before? Oh yes, white people telling me how to feel about racism, men telling me how to feel about misogyny and straight people telling me how to feel about homophobia.
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Every single one of us is a study subject for various science disciplines. Medecine, psychology, sociology... They all study us in a distantiated, depassionated way. And that's actually fine, because that's how science works.
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I mean, yes of course. That is fine.
That doesn't mean doctors, for example, start telling their patients what their pain feels like.
If you think that Bubbles is upset about AIs being studied, then you are not grasping today's comic. At all.
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You mean the part where Evie compared AIs to nuclear weapons and how it hit right on the wrong spot for Bubbles, given her traumatic military past? Sure, but that's really specific to Bubbles, not AIs in general, is it? So there is no why she could expect that Evie could take that into account. I understand Bubbles' point of view in today's comic, but I still can't see anything wrong in what Evie said in #3656...
A small perverse otter:
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the key objection Bubbles expressed was that Evie was dehumanizing her by treating her as a tape recorder to which Evie was confiding her theories. Evie should know better, even if she is in the throes of her dissertation focus, and the comment that "Some might find that offensive" should have brought her up short. It didn't.
Basically, what I'm reading here is the Evie is a condescending, self-centered jerk. It's all very well to treat people as representatives of a group in some circumstances, but it's kind of, you know, critical to remember that they're more than that. Evie doesn't realize that any more, even if she might well have done so initially.
Case:
--- Quote from: traroth on 31 Jan 2018, 06:34 ---
--- Quote from: Tova on 31 Jan 2018, 02:43 ---
--- Quote from: traroth on 31 Jan 2018, 02:29 ---
--- Quote from: fayelovesbubbles on 31 Jan 2018, 00:24 ---"Bubbles needs to chill, Evie didn't mean any harm."
Gee, where have I heard something like that before? Oh yes, white people telling me how to feel about racism, men telling me how to feel about misogyny and straight people telling me how to feel about homophobia.
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Every single one of us is a study subject for various science disciplines. Medecine, psychology, sociology... They all study us in a distantiated, depassionated way. And that's actually fine, because that's how science works.
--- End quote ---
I mean, yes of course. That is fine.
That doesn't mean doctors, for example, start telling their patients what their pain feels like.
If you think that Bubbles is upset about AIs being studied, then you are not grasping today's comic. At all.
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You mean the part where Evie compared AIs to nuclear weapons and how it hit right on the wrong spot for Bubbles, given her traumatic military past? Sure, but that's really specific to Bubbles, not AIs in general, is it? So there is no why she could expect that Evie could take that into account. I understand Bubbles' point of view in today's comic, but I still can't see anything wrong in what Evie said in #3656...
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No, he means the part where Evie brings up Skynet and grey goo as examples of pre-singularity human fears of AIs, notably near-extinction scenarios, then wonders why humans aren't freaking out more now that AIs are a reality and then shrugs and says "Whelp, we didn't freak out about nukes, either, cause humans are really bad at assessing dangers".
That is a comparison between AIs and nukes, in the frame of the reaction of humans to either.
I mean ... is there any other reading in which Bubble's reply to Evie - that Evie agrees with - makes sense?
traroth:
--- Quote from: Akima on 31 Jan 2018, 03:50 ---
--- Quote from: traroth on 31 Jan 2018, 02:29 ---Every single one of us is a study subject for various science disciplines. Medecine, psychology, sociology... They all study us in a distantiated, depassionated way. And that's actually fine, because that's how science works.
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"Works" includes some pretty ugly things, which revealed ugly things about the attitudes of those carrying out the studies. Consider the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment, or Unit 631. The notion that a "distantiated, depassionated" study is necessarily fine, and therefore suspicion, and even hostility, from those being studied is unjustified, is certainly not one that I'd accept.
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Now, you are trying to make me say things I haven't. I maintain that science needs to be distantiated to get anything valuable done. Else, you get things like lysenkoism. That doesn't mean the choice of the study doesn't need to follow ethics or deontology. By the way, those racists "experiments" can hardly be called science by any objective observer. More like sadistic massacres.
Is it cold in here?:
--- Quote from: fayelovesbubbles on 31 Jan 2018, 00:24 ---"Bubbles needs to chill, Evie didn't mean any harm."
Gee, where have I heard something like that before? Oh yes, white people telling me how to feel about racism, men telling me how to feel about misogyny and straight people telling me how to feel about homophobia.
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Prudence is one of the four cardinal virtues because people who don't mean harm can and will cause it unless they learn not to.
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