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oddtail:
You do realise that a person may have mental issues and/or be recovering from trauma, and not fall apart at every moment of their lives? You can absolutely suffer from PTSD or anxiety and cope with some situations well, and others - not so much. And we've seen plenty of evidence that Bubbles has a difficult time coping with her own emotions. She's been better lately, yes, but there have been multiple situations in the past where she reacted in extreme ways to things that a different person might be more level-headed with.

Your words: "It's totally no a person with PTSD ever would be able to do." imply that... I don't know, a person with PTSD is irrevocably and permanently incapable of handling anything that you described? Granted, I don't suffer from PTSD myself, so I wouldn't know from firsthand experience, but from what I understand, it's not necessarily a crippling inability to act 100% of the time, in 100% of situations. It's a severe problem, but it's manageable. There's a reason people suffering from PTSD receive help. If they were beyond help, they would receive none.

Also, I can't help but notice that your first issues with the comic were with Bubbles being an AI, and now you seem to be saying her PTSD is badly portrayed. Which may or may not be true, but it's not directly related with her being an AI, which was your original complaint (again, correct me if I'm wrong).

EDIT: also, I've just noticed that this thread is in the "introduction" part of the forum, while it would better belong in the part for discussing the comic.

Aenno:
Yes, having mental issues isn't means it's a crippling inability to act 100% of the time, in 100% of situations. But the very definition of having mental issues is that person DO fall apart at least sometimes. If your mental issues never manifest and don't influence your behavior by any way, you haven't mental issues. Dora can handle some situations well. Faye can handle some situations well. Hannelore can. But Dora, Faye or Hannelore can't handle some situations well, and it's chronical and patterned, that's why they can be called as having mental issues.

Check for Bubbles appearing in the comics after Stolen Memories arc. When do she show any evidence of any mental issues?
Feeling bad about something isn't mental issue. Being not able to be cool all the times isn't mental issues. Bubbles don't always cool, but she can really handle it. When she is angry on Clinton, who just ignored her explaining they are not couple with Faye, she cool out as soon as he admits his mistake (and it took four iterations about "we're not" from him). When she is angry of Faye, who just never came to Bubbles to discuss a way Bubbles would live next, she is going to "Coffee of Doom" and vent out quite adequately.

P.S.: Actually you're right and I noticed it later. Thanks for moving.

Storel:

--- Quote from: oddtail on 04 Feb 2018, 14:17 ---I don't think fictional characters MUST be relatable to be enjoyable. Fiction can be escapist, or it can be exploratory, and both of these things sometimes call for characters that are OUTSIDE what the reader can relate to. Batman is one of the most recognizable, popular and enjoyed characters in modern fiction, and if I were to take a wild guess, I'd assume most people can't relate to anything about Bruce Wayne's life.
--- End quote ---

I don't know about that. He lost both his parents at quite a young age -- I'm sure lots of folks can relate to that. I was already middle-aged by the time both my parents passed away, but I can still relate to his loss and appreciate how much harder it must have been for someone so young. And I identified more with Batman than with other superheroes because he was completely human -- he didn't have any superpowers, he had to work damned hard for every one of his abilities, so I felt I could be like him if I were willing to work as hard as he did. (Which I wasn't, admittedly, but the possibility was still there. 8-))

Sorry, I know this is off on a tangent from the rest of this discussion, but that remark just kind of jumped out at me...

Aenno:

--- Quote ---I don't know about that. He lost both his parents at quite a young age -- I'm sure lots of folks can relate to that.
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I actually believe it's a good example of what I mean.
Batman really is relatable. He lost parents and still feel loss - relatable. He feels himself obliged to work as hard as it's possible and somewhere beyond to make world better - relatable. He isn't always sure his method is as good as possible, and some of persons out there are really not helping - relatable. His problems are hypertrophied at comics way, but in a core it's quite human problems, that could be met (to a lesser extent, of course) in everyday life.
Spiderman is relatable. Of course, non of us was bitten with radioactive spider that gives us spiderpowers (at least I believe so), but it's not his problem I can relate. His main problem is that when he is irresponsible people he care starting to be hurt and die. My girlfriend had never broken her neck because I didn't thought what happen when my spider web would catch her, but I can imagine what would I feel if something like that would happen to me.

That's the thing, Batman or Spiderman are relatable because I (we, auditory) can place myself on their place. Even Superman is relatable because he is Clark Kent, not because he is that kind of Krypton native; he actually is a question "What would you do being granted with Superman abilities?". That's why I was speaking about Bubbles being an AI, not a character with wrongly done PTSD - because I haven't any theoretical issues with AI being able to rationalize PTSD or extreme anxious. I just can't possibly imagine how it is to see world or my own mind this way.

Is it cold in here?:
Welcome, utterly fascinating new person!

I too would like to see more exploration of how the AI characters are different from the organic ones. "Just like us only made of plastic" is less interesting than "Equal to us but frequently surprising us with their differences".

How does it change a person's psychology if their body is as replaceable as an automobile? We've had only hints.

Do AIs have additional emotions beyond ours that we don't have names for? Why not? Human emotions are survival tools and not universal constants.

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