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ckridge:
All true, and they are going to be running the economy, battlefields, assassination programs, diagnostic programs, and surveillance programs -- in short, civilization -- on the basis of data sets too large for us to fully comprehend, based on algorithms to which we have no access, without any desire either to understand or to explain themselves. It doesn't matter whether the resulting errors are their errors or human errors blown up to enormous size. Those errors are going to be scary. AIs are going to be scary.

Conscious AIs, by contrast, would almost necessarily want to understand themselves. One only becomes conscious of that which catches one's interest, and therefore only becomes conscious of oneself if interested in oneself. Such an interest is very likely to entail interest in how one works and why one does things one way and not another. If, as seems to be the case, language is the only tool suitable for gaining such self-knowlege, and conversation the best linguistic path to self-knowledge, we have a situation like the one we see in QC, only probably with less sex. Probably.

A situation like the one in QC does include the possibility of a robot Nero, Ghengis, Hitler, or Stalin, and of robots doing all the other monstrous things we do. We are adapted to that already, though.

ckridge:
Google assures us that they are providing the Pentagon assistance in having drones find and track particular individuals only for non-offensive purposes.
https://gizmodo.com/google-is-helping-the-pentagon-build-ai-for-drones-1823464533

JoeCovenant:

--- Quote from: SpanielBear on 08 Mar 2018, 09:06 ---
--- Quote from: Thrudd on 08 Mar 2018, 06:45 ---Also the premise "A little learning is a dangerous thing."

You overlook one little detail or a factor or assumption and things can get dangerous rather quickly.
ex
Collect all of the pertinent data, as far as you know
Feed it into a computer
run your data analysis
The answer is 42

--- End quote ---

"What do you get if you multiply seven by nine?"

In other words, if you ask a computer a question, make sure you asked the right one.

--- End quote ---

SIX by Nine...

There's something fundamentally flawed with the universe...  :wink:

Morituri:

--- Quote from: JoeCovenant on 09 Mar 2018, 01:55 ---
--- Quote from: SpanielBear on 08 Mar 2018, 09:06 ---
--- Quote from: Thrudd on 08 Mar 2018, 06:45 ---Also the premise "A little learning is a dangerous thing."

You overlook one little detail or a factor or assumption and things can get dangerous rather quickly.
ex
Collect all of the pertinent data, as far as you know
Feed it into a computer
run your data analysis
The answer is 42

--- End quote ---

"What do you get if you multiply seven by nine?"

In other words, if you ask a computer a question, make sure you asked the right one.

--- End quote ---

SIX by Nine...

There's something fundamentally flawed with the universe...  :wink:

--- End quote ---

Well, not necessarily fundamentally flawed.  But that answer should make you start considering why you've been thinking in base ten all this time when the universe clearly does its math in base thirteen.

dexeron:

--- Quote from: Morituri on 11 Mar 2018, 21:54 ---
--- Quote from: JoeCovenant on 09 Mar 2018, 01:55 ---
--- Quote from: SpanielBear on 08 Mar 2018, 09:06 ---
--- Quote from: Thrudd on 08 Mar 2018, 06:45 ---Also the premise "A little learning is a dangerous thing."

You overlook one little detail or a factor or assumption and things can get dangerous rather quickly.
ex
Collect all of the pertinent data, as far as you know
Feed it into a computer
run your data analysis
The answer is 42

--- End quote ---

"What do you get if you multiply seven by nine?"

In other words, if you ask a computer a question, make sure you asked the right one.

--- End quote ---

SIX by Nine...

There's something fundamentally flawed with the universe...  :wink:

--- End quote ---

Well, not necessarily fundamentally flawed.  But that answer should make you start considering why you've been thinking in base ten all this time when the universe clearly does its math in base thirteen.

--- End quote ---

It's also an admonition to ensure that only relevant variables are included in one's calculations.  Errant telephone sanitizers  in the mix can completely throw off the entire process.

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