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Neko_Ali:
The Force Awakens it's questionable and easy to miss just how important the Skywalker bloodline is because so much of the film is set up and introduction of the new characters. But it was there. Ben struggling with the Light and Dark in himself. Luke's withdrawal from galactic society and the chaos that was in the wake without a hero for the Resistance to stand behind. Kaz having Luke's old lightsaber and it waking the Force in Rey. While not overtly all about the Skywalker bloodline a lot of the foundation blocks were there. The Last Jedi was much more of a Skywalker gig. A good portion of the movie was wrapped up in their family discord and their relationship to the Force. To the point where a lot of people feel the parts of the movie that don't involve them feel shoe horned in and don't belong. ie: The whole sub plot about the movie-long chase scene and the 'find the slicer' plot with Finn, Rose and Poe.
Consider the history of the movies chronologically. We are to presume that Palpatine caused Anakin to be born via Force manipulation as part of his long and complicated bid to become Emperor. From the time Anakin begins training as a Jedi he becomes a disruptive influence on what balance there was between the Jedi and the Sith eventually leading to the destruction of the Jedi order and the birth of the Empire. Episodes 4-6 detail the conflict between Anakin and his children. None of them started the conflict, but they act as major force multipliers (no pun intended). Without the fall of Anakin the Jedi would not have been so thoroughly crushed. Without Leia and Luke the Rebellion would not have succeeded at destroying either Death Star or killing the Emperor. And now we have the new trilogy. Luke's uncertainty and moment of doubt is what drove Ben from the Jedi and embrace the Dark Side legacy of his grandfather. Kylo Ren may not have started the First Order, but the Skywalker blood and drama put him in the position where he leads it against his mother's Resistance.
So yes, the core of the Tri-trilogy that has been core Star Wars has always been about the Skywalker family line and the Force. Therefore it make sense that all the side projects be marketed as films in the Star Wars franchise, but different. The tri-trilogy should probably be called the Skywalker Wars. But that wouldn't market as well. Even though Darth Vader was in Rogue One, he was more easter egg than participant. He never interacted with the main cast in the couple of scenes he was in, and was primarily there to link the narrative of the end of Rogue One to the beginning of A New Hope.
LeeC:
I think the Star Wars saga will, in the end, be the rise and fall of the Skywalkers.
--- Quote from: Neko_Ali on 14 Feb 2018, 07:30 ---We are to presume that Palpatine caused Anakin to be born via Force manipulation
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Wait, what?
TheEvilDog:
There's a scene from Revenge of the Sith, the opera scene, when Palpatine is talking about a Sith who could control life and death and who was murdered by his apprentice, Sidious. There's a long standing fan theory that Sidious continued his master's work and manipulated the midiclorians to create Anakin as part of his long term scheme to become Emperor.
There's another theory that Sidious killed Plagueis not as part of the tradition of the apprentice killing the master, but because Plagueis had already manipulated Anakin's conception and Sidious wanted to be the one in control.
Case:
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--- Quote from: Neko_Ali on 14 Feb 2018, 07:30 ---We are to presume that Palpatine caused Anakin to be born via Force manipulation
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Wait, what?
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Anakin being 'born off the Force' is canon, IIRC. He has no father. I think I recall Shmi Skywalker telling Qui-Gon as much? Either in the SW1 movie or the novelisation.
What isn't clear in canon is the how and they why of it, but there's sort of a 'semi-canon theory' about that:
--- Quote from: Castlerook on 14 Feb 2018, 08:12 ---There's a scene from Revenge of the Sith, the opera scene, when Palpatine is talking about a Sith who could control life and death and who was murdered by his apprentice, Sidious. There's a long standing fan theory that Sidious continued his master's work and manipulated the midiclorians to create Anakin as part of his long term scheme to become Emperor.
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Methinks that's a bit more than a fan-theory: It's described in more detail in James Luceno's novel 'Darth Plagueis' (Palpatine's master & predecessor). However, while the novel (and the retcons) is pretty good, like most of Luceno's stuff, it was never considered canon, even before Disney took over.
--- Quote ---As the novel comes to a close during the events of The Phantom Menace, Sidious and Plagueis learn that a young boy named Anakin Skywalker, a former slave found by Qui-Gon Jinn on Tatooine, had been born of the Force. They discern that this is most likely due to Plagueis's experiment of creating life through the Force, which he had commenced about a decade earlier.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Plagueis_(novel)
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Note though that there's no indication in the novel of either Plagueis or Palpatine creating Anakin deliberately - if I remember the novel correctly, Plagueis and Palpatine undertake several (extremely 'high-powered') Force-experiments (either as part of Plagueis' quest for eternal life and/or their 'un-balancing' the Force in preparation for the culmination of the Millennia-old plan of Sith takeover), and once they learn of Anakin's birth, Palpatine suspects that the Force created Anakin as a reaction to those experiments.
IIRC, he's actually more than a little bit unsettled by that, since it would indicate that the Force can act on its own, and very specifically so, without control by a Force-user, which would obviously be bad news for a Force-user striving for complete control and domination of both the Force and the Galaxy. Remember how much emphasis Palpatine placed on Force-vision and Force domination to further his aims - it'd be like a chess player discovering that the rooks are sentient.
I think that's a theme that Luceno comes back to several times in other novels ('The Unified Force') as a major philosophical difference within the Jedi and Sith orders: Sith see the Force as something to be used, Jedi see the Force as something to be guided by, but neither is entirely sure whether the Force might not an entity with its own goals, that can act independently of either.
All of that non-exactly-canon: Luceno is probably the best retconer amongst the EU-authors ('The Unified Force', 'Millenium Falcon'), but I guess the powers that be were wary of tying that bit of lore down in to much detail.
LeeC:
Ah okay, I knew about the "force is the father" bit from 1 and that scene with Palpatine at the opera in 3 but didn't think the link between them was proven. Looks like it is just fan cannon. I really hope it doesn't become cannon as I just hate that everyone/thing in star was has to be connected in some way. It makes the universe seem small.
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