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--- Quote from: LeeC on 14 Feb 2018, 09:47 ---Looks like it is just fan cannon.
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Uhmmmmhwell, as I said above, I wouldn't consider it just-another-type-of-fancanon - Luceno isn't a nobody amongst the EU-authors. It is, however, not officially considered canon, and wasn't considered canon even before the Disney-sale. <- Not completely sure about that last part, cf. my next post below.
Personally, I could imagine that maybe the people-who-decide-that-sort-of-shit (Sue Rostoni?) might have liked (the idea of) the novel a little too much (I can highly recommend it, just as anything authored by Luceno) - i.e. they saw a potential for a standalone story about "How Anakin came to be", but knowing Lucas and the way he operates, they knew he would never stick to an already developed detailed script.
Or something, yaknow?
Method of Madness:
--- Quote from: Blue Kitty on 14 Feb 2018, 05:14 ---Also Kylo Ren/Ben Solo is a freaking Skywalker in all but name
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Well yeah, that's why I mentioned him with Luke and Leia.
Re: Anakin, I thought Plagueis created him. Palpatine super strongly implied it, and even if it's not "canon" (however that's defined), it's a reasonable interpretation, which is almost as good.
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--- Quote from: Method of Madness on 19 Feb 2018, 04:12 ---Re: Anakin, I thought Plagueis created him. Palpatine super strongly implied it, and even if it's not "canon" (however that's defined), it's a reasonable interpretation, which is almost as good.
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Sorry if I'm telling you stuff you already know: I can't remember anything in Revenge of the Sith that suggested Plagueis creating Anakin, or Palpatine suggesting to Anakin that Plagueis created Anakin - in RotS, Palpatine talks to Anakin about Plagueis' alleged ability to create life using the Force.
It was suggested in James Luceno's post-RotS novel "Plagueis" that either Palpatine and Plagueis together inadvertently triggered the Force's creation of Anakin as a reaction to their "willing the Force to shift and tip irrevocably to the dark side" (both assumed to have succeeded in that, see below), or that Plagueis alone created Anakin when he subsequently attempted to create a strong Force-sensitive being (Plagueis initially believes to have failed; quote below, last passage).
However, it is never clarified which event brought Anakin into life, or if any of them did, and both Plagueis and Palpatine are initially shocked, even terrified, when they learn of his birth and the Jedi's suspicion that he could be the "chosen one".
(Note that Anakin Skywalker was born 41BBY (Before Battle of Yavin) - nine years before the first quote and eight years before the second)
--- Quote ---Ignoring the reactions of apprehensive residents and wary security personnel, Plagueis hastened along a plush corridor in 500 Republica toward Palpatine’s suite of crimson rooms. He had planned to be at the Senate Building to hear Amidala’s call for a vote of no-confidence in Valorum, which would strike the first death knell for the Republic. At the last moment, however, Palpatine had contacted him to recount a conversation he had had with Dooku. The fact that Qui-Gon Jinn had identified Maul as a Sith was to be expected; but Dooku’s news about a human boy at the center of a vergence of the Force had come as a shock. More, Qui-Gon saw the boy as the Jedi’s prophesied Chosen One!
He had to see this Anakin Skywalker for himself; had to sense him for himself. He had to know if the Force had struck back again, nine years earlier, by conceiving a human being to restore balance to the galaxy.
"Plagueis" by J. Luceno - 32 BBY
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The "Force had struck back" is a reference to an event (or even several events) that Plagueis remembers in an earlier passage, dated 33 BBY
--- Quote ---The question of whether he and Sidious had discovered something new or rediscovered something ancient was beside the point. All that mattered was that, almost a decade earlier, they had succeeded in willing the Force to shift and tip irrevocably to the dark side. Not a mere paradigm shift, but a tangible alteration that could be felt by anyone strong in the Force, and whether or not trained in the Sith or Jedi arts.
The shift had been the outcome of months of intense meditation, during which Plagueis and Sidious had sought to challenge the Force for sovereignty and suffuse the galaxy with the power of the dark side. Brazen and shameless, and at their own mortal peril, they had waged etheric war, anticipating that their own midi-chlorians, the Force’s proxy army, might marshal to boil their blood or stop the beating of their hearts. Risen out of themselves, discorporate and as a single entity, they had brought the power of their will to bear, asserting their sovereignty over the Force. No counterforce had risen against them. In what amounted to a state of rapture they knew that the Force had yielded, as if some deity had been tipped from its throne. On the fulcrum they had fashioned, the light side had dipped and the dark side had ascended.
On the same day they had allowed Venamis to die. Then, by manipulating the Bith’s midi-chlorians, which should have been inert and unresponsive, Plagueis had resurrected him.
[...] But having gained the power to keep another alive hadn’t been enough for him. [...] Drunk on newfound power, then, he had attempted an even more unthinkable act: to bring into being a creation of his own. [...] But ultimately to no end. The Force grew silent, as if in flight from him, and many of the animals in his laboratory succumbed to horrifying diseases.
[...]
Gazing into Sojourn’s darkening sky, he wondered what calamity the Force was planning in retreat to visit upon him or Sidious or both of them for willfully tipping the balance.
"Plagueis" by J. Luceno - 33 BBY
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--- Quote from: Method of Madness on 19 Feb 2018, 04:12 ---... "canon" (however that's defined)
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--- Quote ---The character was created by George Lucas as early as the first draft of Revenge of the Sith—dated April 2003—and possibly earlier than that. His story was massively expanded upon in the 2012 novel Darth Plagueis, written by James Luceno. However, that story is part of the Star Wars Legends continuity, formerly known as the "Expanded Universe," and therefore is no longer official canon as of the 2014 reboot.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Plagueis
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Blue Kitty:
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TPY4TKo6uQ
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Donald Glover as Lando ... :-D
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