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What is Bubbles' sexual orientation?
Is it cold in here?:
--- Quote from: SpanielBear on 20 May 2018, 17:07 ---
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 20 May 2018, 17:03 ---He appears as a hologram of a male human.
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Sure, but his physical body is a super-massive space station suitable for multiple human inhabitants. Calling that humanoid seems a bit of a stretch.
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He loves Hannelore. I'm not sure where that fits in but it's important.
SpanielBear:
--- Quote from: Mad Cat on 20 May 2018, 17:07 ---The character of Jeremy started out as an industrial arm, but he never expressed a desire to have a relationship with Seven, until he became more humanoid. http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3431
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3376 <-- Bit of robopsychology from Jeph. Or is this more roboneurology? So hard to robotell.
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Hang on a second there. What Jeremy says is "do you think seven will notice me?". That implies he was interested before embodiment, but was uncertain how his advances would be taken. His new look gives him incentive to persue a goal he had previously, it doesn't spontaneously inspire a previously alien urge.
SpanielBear:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 20 May 2018, 17:12 ---
--- Quote from: SpanielBear on 20 May 2018, 17:07 ---
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 20 May 2018, 17:03 ---He appears as a hologram of a male human.
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Sure, but his physical body is a super-massive space station suitable for multiple human inhabitants. Calling that humanoid seems a bit of a stretch.
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He loves Hannelore. I'm not sure where that fits in but it's important.
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He does, yes. But the question seemed to be to what extent is an AI's humanlike personality traits a result of a humanoid chassis. To me the implication over the course of the comic has been that an AI's personality is emergent and has features independent of the body they're in. So an AI that isn't humanoid still behaves authentically as humanlike. That includes their gender identity- if Winslow says "I think I'm a boy.", that's a statement that deserves to be taken as true, not dismissed as if it were a casually chosen social lubricant.
Mad Cat:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 20 May 2018, 17:03 ---He appears as a hologram of a male human.
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And we can argue until the cows come home about which, for Station, came first, a masculine human-like gender or the male holoavatar. the fact remains that no AI in QC has exhibitted a human-like gender without a humanoid form of some kind. How AIs experience machine gender divorced from a need to socialize with humans has never been explored in-canon.
What kind of human-like gender would the guy in the background of panel 2 here have a need for?
Mad Cat:
--- Quote from: SpanielBear on 20 May 2018, 17:19 ---
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 20 May 2018, 17:12 ---
--- Quote from: SpanielBear on 20 May 2018, 17:07 ---
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 20 May 2018, 17:03 ---He appears as a hologram of a male human.
--- End quote ---
Sure, but his physical body is a super-massive space station suitable for multiple human inhabitants. Calling that humanoid seems a bit of a stretch.
--- End quote ---
He loves Hannelore. I'm not sure where that fits in but it's important.
--- End quote ---
He does, yes. But the question seemed to be to what extent is an AI's humanlike personality traits a result of a humanoid chassis. To me the implication over the course of the comic has been that an AI's personality is emergent and has features independent of the body they're in. So an AI that isn't humanoid still behaves authentically as humanlike. That includes their gender identity- if Winslow says "I think I'm a boy.", that's a statement that deserves to be taken as true, not dismissed as if it were a casually chosen social lubricant.
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My contention has never been that with humanoid form comes human-like gender. My contention has now refined to, we never see an AI without a humanoid form (holoavatars count) express a human-like gender. Winslow… may count, or not. I mean he fell down and his stubby limbs couldn't right himself. Does he even count as humanout in iPad form? Either way, his full-on humanoid form was imminent, so it would make sense that he would feel the need to lock in whaever human-like gender he may want at that point.
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