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JoeCovenant:
I find it amazing that that even needs explained?
I never thought the rule of two meant there were only ever two sith - hell, even the JEDI worked on a rule of two...
I took Yoda's line "always two there are, a master and an apprentice" to be reflective of the situation they were in.. maul showed up, so they had to find out if he was the master or the apprentice - IE Oh, we've got a sith here... dammit where's the other one!"
In exactly the same way that the Jedi (on the whole) head out in twos - with a master and an apprentice.
As for Palpatine being a clone... isn't that explained in TRoS?
(Or was it only SNoke that he spoke about? BLu Ray arrives today - I'll have to check that out!) :)
However - the retconning material in TRoS could make for some very interesting mega cuts to make all three trilogy sequels into one decent movie!
:)
BenRG:
As I understand it, The Rule of Two is not a universal Sith rule, it is an understanding brought in by one Master at some point through the centuries after the Sith had nearly eradicated themselves with their fratricidal internecine squabbles. When you have a belief structure that states that the acquisition of supreme power through deception and force is your ultimate goal, it is unlikely that you will tolerate anyone of the same belief unless they are bound to you as a servant as an Apprentice is to their Master. To avoid self-destruction, the remaining Sith agreed that there should only be two of them at any one time.
However, Palpatine didn't follow anyone's rules except his own. The existence of the Inquisitorial Order proved that.
JoeCovenant:
--- Quote from: BenRG on 06 May 2020, 06:09 ---As I understand it, The Rule of Two is not a universal Sith rule, it is an understanding brought in by one Master at some point through the centuries after the Sith had nearly eradicated themselves with their fratricidal internecine squabbles. When you have a belief structure that states that the acquisition of supreme power through deception and force is your ultimate goal, it is unlikely that you will tolerate anyone of the same belief unless they are bound to you as a servant as an Apprentice is to their Master. To avoid self-destruction, the remaining Sith agreed that there should only be two of them at any one time.
However, Palpatine didn't follow anyone's rules except his own. The existence of the Inquisitorial Order proved that.
--- End quote ---
Except that Maul and Dooku and Palpatine (to name but three) were all around at the same time.
(It could also be argued that Anakin was already Palpatine's 'apprentice' right from the off)
TBH... "the remaining Sith agreed there should only be two."...?
I don't know what that's supposed to mean?
Or are we looking at 'Sith' not being force users, and only allowing two of the sith (small S) *Cult* to achieve that?
That's not how the force works.
BenRG:
This was all long before Palpatine's time, of course.
The history of the Sith, at least officially, really is complex as there have been many groups through the millennia of recorded galactic history that have used the name. However, in the terms we are interested in, the 'Sith Order' are a break-away group of Force adepts founded by a fallen Jedi known as Darth Bane. They are a relatively recent group, certainly more recent than Darth Revan's episode at the time of the Mandelorian Wars. This group exists in parallel with other Dark Jedi, such as Exar Kun who were not 'Sith'.
"Sith" is a misused term. It is not synonymous with Dark Side adepts. It rather explicitly refers to either the Force-using king/priests of the Korribanite Empire (about 100k years ago, close to the founding of the Old Republic in what I believe are now known as the 'Hyperspace Wars') or the disciples of Darth Bane through the millennia who were directly taught by a Master of the same creed. There have been entire Dark Side cults that have had nothing to do with the Sith (and, indeed, loathed Bane's followers with the absolute burning fury of a thousand suns), the Nightsisters of Dathomir being an excellent example.
Of course, it was easy for the remaining Sith to agree that there should only be two of their order at any one time when it was literally a 'last man standing' scenario. "I took a vote, I voted and found that I was 100% in agreement with my proposal. So it's enacted."
BenRG:
I guess I feel bad about how under-utilised the character of Finn was. I would have liked for us to have had the concept of a 'good Stormtrooper' explored. He remains very much a Stormie in mindset ("I am a soldier and I am trained to fight; please don't confuse the issue with your religion, Rey") but he has a moral code and isn't just going to shoot at whoever the boss points him. That said, I'd have liked to see his skill progress during the trilogy, turning more and more into an elite trooper and a leader with time whilst still retaining this down-to-Earth soldierly mindset and encouraging Rey not to get confused with the whole 'Dark vs Light' issue. Sort of a Mandelorian-level commando without the cultish elements to Mando culture.
Maybe, in a confrontation with Kylo Ren. "I'm a soldier; my job is to protect civilisation from the monsters. Actually, that's you and your band of xenophobic misfits."
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