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WCDT strips 4306-4310 (13-17 July 2020)
Mr_Rose:
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--- Quote from: Mr_Rose on 12 Jul 2020, 17:49 ---
--- Quote from: the silent firefly on 12 Jul 2020, 14:18 ---"wait 6 months at a time for bureaucrats to decide when i can get a ounce of new lubricant"
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What social care system anywhere has bureaucrats involved in treatment decisions?
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It's probably a system that involves a government and an insurance company. Both types presently are heavily bureaucratic. There's going to be rules that are set by the bureaucrats, and there's probably going to be resident bureaucrats in hospitals who make sure those rules are followed. Most doctors will know most common rules, but there's inevitably going to be a bureaucrat looking over an edge case, scratching his asshead over what to approve. But that's not a personal decision. It's about adhering to the the code. The bureaucracy, made of bureaucrats, decides. Hopefully it's a well functioning bureaucracy.
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That sounds more like the system the USA has, which was anything but socialised last I checked.
the silent firefly:
--- Quote from: Mr_Rose on 12 Jul 2020, 17:49 ---What social care system anywhere has bureaucrats involved in treatment decisions? Because it sounds a lot like the made up one that was used as a strawman by the naysayers when the affordable care act was being discussed.
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i have no idea. the implication is not that it's a necessary feature of the system, merely that we're talking about the US and therefore a bloated bureaucracy is pretty much a given.
--- Quote ---Also, I’m not certain “waiting for someone to say I can have something” is actually worse than “never getting anything unless someone gives it to me” – in fact they’re semantically identical; just the implied reason for the third party to fund treatment is different.
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they are not the same at all when, in the former case, your tax dollars are going to a service which you may or may not ever actually receive. i would describe that as self-evidently much worse.
on-topic, i can't wait to hear May's obscenity-laced tirade. i think she will enjoy having an audience too.
Tova:
--- Quote from: the silent firefly on 12 Jul 2020, 19:58 ---they are not the same at all when, in the former case, your tax dollars are going to a service which you may or may not ever actually receive. i would describe that as self-evidently much worse.
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Your tax dollars are going to a service which you may or may not (directly) receive either way.
The implication of socialised anything is that it society as a whole is better off, meaning that you benefit from the thing tax dollars paid for whether or not you are a direct recipient of the service.
hedgie:
Not to mention, that we all have to pay for things that we don't need/agree on. My entire working life, I've been paying for a bloated military budget and wars of aggression.
BenRG:
Beeps... I appreciate your curiosity but I strongly suspect that May's contribution to your lexicon will be a long string of censored inputs!
--- Quote from: Mr_Rose on 12 Jul 2020, 17:49 ---What social care system anywhere has bureaucrats involved in treatment decisions?
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None of them but, nonetheless, they still have a strong influence on whether a treatment is available and who gets it on a reasonable time-scale. Remember: socialised healthcare systems are funded by public money. Public money means government control of the funding, including ensuring funding is used cost-effectively and that means that the civil service will be involved in assessing what treatments are going to be available and the amount of money allocated to providing that treatment every financial period.
Whilst they won't be saying "You get it but you don't" to individuals, because that is solely the medical authorities' responsibility, they will be saying: "You will only get enough money perform a certain number of these procedures per year which means those at the back of the queue will have to wait a long time."
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