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WCDT Strips 4321-4325 (3-7 August 2020)
Wingy:
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--- Quote from: Wingy on 04 Aug 2020, 07:11 ---Why would such a code be in the chassis when the substrate of their mind units has got to be unique?
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--- Quote from: Case on 04 Aug 2020, 06:49 ---I'd imagine that AIs would be required to broadcast some form of digital signature - perhaps tied to the specific substrate they're running on?
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Hmmm. My reply seems to have gone missing. And we're using substrate in different ways which may add to the confusion. So a substrateless restatement:
The CPU in each PC after the 386 from Intel has a unique processor serial #. For identification purposes, why would an AI include a serial from their chassis? If, as we've seen before, the AI can shut down their chassis and the "CPU part" is swapped to a new chassis (not without possible problems as Roko discovered) or the CPU/mind can be removed and reinserted and the chassis rebooted with only a small temporal dislocation, then the identity lies within the "CPU part", along with any unique serial. Admittedly, a chassis serial might be useful if the meat-police are looking for a particular AI and don't have a scanner that can pick up the AIs natural wifi (or whatever they use) CPU serial.
Aside: This makes an AI in chassis physically hiding from an AI policeman kinda impossible, and the trash can incident between Bubs and Roko a lot ridiculous.
Further aside: Unless an AI can turn off or spoof their identity signal somehow. Hmmmm.
Wingy:
Is it just me, or is Momo sitting in May's lap in 4321?
Mr_Rose:
--- Quote from: Wingy on 05 Aug 2020, 14:52 ---Is it just me, or is Momo sitting in May's lap in 4321?
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P. Sure it’s just you. She has her knees drawn up and she’s twisted away so she’s almost got her feet on the cushions while May is slouching forward with her hips nearly or completely off the front of the couch. If Momo were in her lap she’d be completely off the couch and obscuring Marigold much more.
Is it cold in here?:
Hmm. Then any place with security cameras should also have RF loggers for the ID of synthetics who come on the premises. Then there would be no issue of robbing a bank and dumping the chassis that's on the video footage.
Tova:
I've been following this ID conversation with some interest, and I have a couple of observations.
Firstly, transfer of an AI to a new chassis does not involve transferring a "CPU part" or any other hardware, if what we've seen encompasses the processes. It is a software transfer. So any kind of silicon chip serial number is not fit for purpose. It would need to be some kind of immutable software ID.
Secondly, AIs are an emergent lifeform. The idea that the emergent lifeform includes a serial identifier ready made for the purpose of identification for government and law enforcement seems unlikely.
It's possible on the other hand that it is possible to somehow fingerprint the software, like a sophisticated checksum -- but almost certainly not a literal one, since I imagine that the AI is constantly changing, so it's hard to know how that would work -- or a form of fingerprinting a signal that's radiated -- although you'd have to account for the hardware somehow. Or some other signature I haven't thought of off the top of my head.
On the other other hand, it's entirely possible that a method of unique AI identification does not exist.
Finally, this idea of continuously broadcasting an ID for the world to read is something of a privacy issue, no? I have problems with that proposal.
The problem here is overstated, in my opinion. Yes, without an ID that can be logged by a bank, an AI could come in, rob the place, then dump the chassis. Also, a human could walk in with a mask, rob the bank, drive away and dump the car and mask somewhere. Neither of these are insurmountable problems.
IMO the most likely scenario is that an AIs identification is in fact tied to their chassis, and that all transfers of AIs from one chassis to another are meticulously traced and registered. An unregistered chassis transfer would be illegal in this scenario.
Yes, with enough resources, this method of identification could be circumvented. But, you know what? So can every other existing form of identifying humans.
Just remember: there's a reason humans don't walk around with embedded chips broadcasting our identification to the world. The same reasons ought to apply to AIs in the QC world.
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