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WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
marbledmurrelet:
--- Quote from: eschaton on 21 Aug 2020, 08:33 ---Going back to my original point about "queer relationships" - I understand the argument that relationships can't be queer or straight. However, we talk about queer politics, queer art, queer music, queer fashion, queer culture., etc. Does queerness inhabit everything queer people do, except for interpersonal relationships if the other person happens to be cis and of the (perceived) opposite gender?
If you're going at it with the presumption (which is what the comic suggests) that Claire "passes" I do agree on a day-to-day basis Martin's lived experience is pretty conventional. However, if Claire did not pass he would deal with transphobia and (wrongly assigned) homophobia as part of his everyday life. Sort of like how if you're white and date a black person (as I have in the past) you become much more aware of casual racism that you would otherwise have been blind to. It wouldn't make Martin himself queer of course, but it would make the "personal political" for him.
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...Ah, oddtail already made the points I just typed, plus another good one.
--- Quote from: sitnspin on 21 Aug 2020, 08:58 ---Does a person need to be "visible" in order to be queer?
That being said, whether a relationship (or an individual) is considered queer is really up to them.
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I hope you're not putting words in my mouth that I never said in any way. A person obviously doesn't need to be visibly queer in order to be queer. My question was about relationships, and it was a question. That you didn't answer. Why would you want to say you're in a "queer relationship" because of something about the identity or orientation of your partner? How does that make the relationship queer? I can see it make some amount of sense if the partner is visibly queer and it affects the way the relationship is treated (like in eschaton's example), but not if it doesn't make a difference for the relationship.
--- Quote from: eschaton on 21 Aug 2020, 09:08 ---I mean, if people can self-identify their gender whatever they wish, they can also self-identify their sexuality however they wish. So if someone who is in a relationship with a transwoman wants to call themselves queer, that's kinda up to them.
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Well, if an otherwise straight man wants to call himself queer on the basis of being in a relationship with a trans woman, I sure hope he tells her that so she can choose to let him self-identify without her. (In case it wasn't clear, that's implying she's not a "real woman", again.)
Torlek:
--- Quote from: sitnspin on 21 Aug 2020, 11:10 ---Again, queer is a self ascribed label and shouldn't be thrust upon anyone from the outside.
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Seriously, reading this thread has sounded like middle schoolers arguing over who is on which dodgeball team.
Thrillho:
Let's not get into discussing the quality of discourse, eh?
marbledmurrelet:
Honestly, we're discussing queer - even trans - issues. On the internet. There's been no name-calling, no severe -phobia that I'm aware of, I don't even think we've confirmed Godwin's Law. What more do you want?
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: eschaton on 21 Aug 2020, 09:08 ---I mean, if people can self-identify their gender whatever they wish, they can also self-identify their sexuality however they wish.
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But it's not a matter of self-identifying as they wish - which implies a free choice. It's self-identifying what they are - i.e. not necessarily what other people think they are.
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