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WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
eschaton:
--- Quote from: pwhodges on 21 Aug 2020, 15:19 ---
--- Quote from: eschaton on 21 Aug 2020, 09:08 ---I mean, if people can self-identify their gender whatever they wish, they can also self-identify their sexuality however they wish.
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But it's not a matter of self-identifying as they wish - which implies a free choice. It's self-identifying what they are - i.e. not necessarily what other people think they are.
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Of course, however, no one can judge who a person is except for that person themselves. Therefore, you are acceding to the self-identification that they desire, rather than what you (or society) might impose upon them.
I mean, I remember years back when my daughter (who is now 11) first heard about trans people. She asked me how to tell if someone was male or female. I paused, thought about it for a bit, and said you had to take their word for it.
Though I'd say fundamentally speaking I just don't hold truck with the essentialist ideas of gender, either in terms of bodies or brains. I mean, there used to be a lot of discussion of a "female brain in a male body" and vice versa, but it's kinda a problematic way to word things because it implies that brains have concrete genders, and leaves out genderqueer/agender people and the such. Much like the "born this way" defense of gayness was conservative because it acted like something was wrong with being gay, and it wouldn't be acceptable if gayness was indeed a choice.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter whether gender identity or sexuality is immutable or somewhat flexible. Peoples professed identities should be accepted at face value.
ZoeB:
--- Quote from: eschaton on 21 Aug 2020, 08:33 ---However, if Claire did not pass he would deal with transphobia and (wrongly assigned) homophobia as part of his everyday life.
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Perhaps you might care to rephrase that? Referring to Claire as "him" is, er, well everyone says damnsillystupid things sometimes.
This one is enough to cause some people to remove the locks from the torch and pitchforks locker, so perhaps some swift retraction might be helpful. Be glad that it's still at the readying state, as here we all assume a lack of deliberate assholery when there's a slim possibility of it just being a brain fart.
Cornelius:
The way I read it, they were referring to Marten, really. As in, "if Claire didn't pass, Marten would have to deal with..."
Really obvious from the preceding sentence, really.
Skewbrow:
--- Quote from: sitnspin on 20 Aug 2020, 20:20 ---
--- Quote from: Tova on 20 Aug 2020, 18:21 ---Sourdough is made of nothing but happiness, Jeph, you heathen.
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Sourdough tastes like bread that has gone rancid to me.
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Whoever bakes it for you may be doing something wrong then. The sourdough culture needs to be ... cultured. My wife has pretty much nailed it. It does become a bit too potent over time. I'm afraid I don't know exactly what she does to avoid that. Best consumed within a couple of days.
A couple decades ago when I still wanted to learn it I ruined many a good sourdough by adding too much flour into it. Unlike when baking cinnamon rolls or buns you need to let the dough be "sticky" when you start kneading. I never figured it out - I don't know how she manages it.
N.N. Marf:
--- Quote from: ZoeB on 22 Aug 2020, 04:00 ---
--- Quote from: eschaton on 21 Aug 2020, 08:33 ---However, if Claire did not pass he would deal with transphobia and (wrongly assigned) homophobia as part of his everyday life.
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Perhaps you might care to rephrase that? Referring to Claire as "him" is, ...
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--- Quote from: Cornelius on 22 Aug 2020, 05:22 ---The way I read it, they were referring to Marten, really. As in, "if Claire didn't pass, Marten would have to deal with..."
Really obvious from the preceding sentence, really.
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I figured that it was referring to Marten, but strictly speaking, pronouns refer to the latest thing mentioned that that pronoun could refer to: a gendered personal pronoun would refer to the latest-mentioned person of that gender; whether a gendered personal pronoun refers apply to the latest-mentioned person depends on that person's gender. Of course, associateing different gender as that person's gender might cause a reader to misconstrue that sentence. (This ability to misconstrue based on the reader's (mis-) understanding of someone's gender might be used to to covertly signal one's ideas about someone's gender to like-minded persons.) I try to avoid that confusion by using ``he'' for any gender.
(click to show/hide)``He'' only came to connote the masculine gender after some persons tried to make persons of the femmenine gender somehow inferior by introducing ``she.'' A similar history can be seen with the word ``woman''---``man'' was always just short for ``human'' (yes the moon-landing quote was faked) but ``woman'' was introduced to try to dehumanize humans of the femmenine gender. Since ages of using the dehumanizing terms in reference to humans of the femmenine gender, while their dehumanizing intent is kept covert, many have assumed that the primary meaning of the terms is to refer to the femmenine gender.
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