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WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
BenRG:
Well, I think we at least have an insight into Claire's view of Marten. I wonder if he knows that she's so enraptured with the physical experience of him?
ihaveavoice:
I don't think you can accurately claim that you know how all males work, Gus. For that matter, I don't think it's right to act like female and non-binary people wouldn't have had your experience of fantasizing early and often and having a "switch flip" and suddenly feeling really motivated to have/think about sex. I've had plenty of girls/women talk to me about this kind of thing over the years, while I waited and waited to find out what it was like.
de_la_Nae:
--- Quote from: Gus_Smedstad on 18 Aug 2020, 23:16 ---
I will say that it was definitely an internal, instinctual thing.
Prior to age 13, I knew what the mechanics were, and I knew what the equipment looked like from "playing doctor," but I wasn't really interested.
Then a switch flipped and suddenly I was pretty motivated to have sex and think about sex.
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I wonder who taught you how to "play doctor".
I do not choose to dispute your accounting of how things seemed to switch on for you, but I cannot help but notice in that account, as it stands written here, a rather large hole for a, how to put it.... "priming the pump", sort of thing, that teaches you What To Do when that switch flips. One big enough to go beyond instinct alone.
I mean perhaps that's not the case with you. While I have scant evidence that such... 'purity' of attraction exists in even common measures in the species, the world is wide and I do not know all things in it. I am more interested in highlighting pernicious assumed variables that get in the way of such discussions as y'all are having.
oddtail:
--- Quote from: Gus_Smedstad on 18 Aug 2020, 23:16 ---As for fantasies - well, I was fantasizing about the girl down the street when I was 13. It starts pretty early for guys, (...)
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I don't mean to sound snarky, but how many guys did you talk to about their fantasies? Because in my experience, pubescent/teenage boys don't exactly discuss their sexual feelings freely, and when they do, they do it in a crude and, in a way, extremely guarded manner. Maybe that's different outside of 90s Poland, but based on what I've read over the years, that doesn't seem to be the case.
My point is, what you write implies is started pretty early for *you*. And you seem to extend this to "guys", and I can't help but wonder how many conversations you've had with other men to confirm that. Because otherwise, you're extrapolating from your own experience, and that's dangerous. Especially since (in my experience) men are conditioned to fit in, in terms of sexuality, so even when the topic *is* for some reason breached, there's a good chance a man will conform with (what he thinks is) the norm. And that skews the perception of what "typically" happens. A lot.
And in fact, the conversations I had with my peers in Junior High or whatever seems to confirm that. Conversations around sex were very awkward, very guarded and very focused on showing off what we felt would prove we were knowledgeable about stuff (not exactly very conducive to genuine sharing of experiences). Not to mention exraordinarily sexist, but that's another conversation.
Or to put it another way: going from "that's how it happened to me" to "that's how it typically happens" is a very big jump. And even then, the jump from "that's how it typically happens" to "that's universally true" is an even bigger one, especially when there's a cultural incentive for men to stay quiet if their own experience doesn't fit the mold.
oddtail:
--- Quote from: Gus_Smedstad on 18 Aug 2020, 23:18 ---
--- Quote from: Tyr on 18 Aug 2020, 23:00 ---Or maybe he's just a polite young man who has yet to have any sort of long-enough term romantic relationship for sex to really be on his radar and he's making an effort to not get ahead of himself with fantasies.
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That's not how males work. Sex is definitely on your radar long, long before relationships are a possibility or sex is at all likely.
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See my post immediately above, but I'm gonna repeat - how do you know that? Do you have an insight into what is fundamental and immutable about the male mind?
I was interested in girls (in fact, a specific girl) in a... let's say, proto-romantic way when we were both about 5. I didn't even know sex existed at the time, not even in crudest, simplest terms. I most certainly didn't have anything resembling a sexual attraction to her. We interacted in a way that mimicked a more adult romantic relationship, for years. I'm not saying that's typical, but I have no reason to believe I was a unique, special unicorn, either.
(and that wasn't just a fluke. Around puberty, I was interested in girls multiple times. I'm sure there was a sexual dimension to it, but I never explicitly thought of the girls in a sexual way. I knew I liked them, I knew I wanted to spend time with them, and as I got older, I considered the possibility of asking them to be my girlfriends. Interest in sex specifically is something that developed around this time for me, yes, but it was very gradual and certainly didn't *predate* my romantic feelings.)
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