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WCDT strips 4381-4385 (Oct 26th to Oct 30th 2020)
BlueFatima:
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--- Quote from: g30n on 30 Oct 2020, 13:31 ---[sigh] It'll be sad if the first m/m relationship in QC is just an awkward fizzle. Such potential, such disappointment. [crosses fingers]
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It's not the first M/M relationship in the QC-verse, since we already saw Marten's dad get married to Maurice.
I highly doubt that this is the end for any romance between Elliot and Clinton. Jeph is very big on making his characters grow and evolve, so I can see a lot of talking and discussion happening with those two in the future.
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I want to see where it goes, but I really hope they end up with other people. Thinking of them together now is so cringy. Seen too many RL situations lean this way that resulted in toxic (often mutually) relationships. It feels too much like an 80s or 90s flick where a female lead “fixes” the mean crazy and/or unhinged love interest...except with gay guys. I dig me m/m romance, but not with that worn out codependent romance trope.
Christophelous:
Hi, I'm new! :clairedoge:
I mean, not that new. I come on here periodically for clarification as to what's going on with the comic, so I guess I'm a un-lurked lurker. This time, it's because I didn't understand the apprehensiveness in Elliot's demeanor when Clinton said what he did about Brun and Elliot. I don't consider myself to be socially awkward either, though I make mistakes like any other person. I think I get it now, but I still don't think I'm getting the whole picture.
At first I thought the fact that Clinton discussed this with Brun while on a (not) date with Elliot was the problem (I know it's what would've stopped me from bringing it up) but it didn't seem like Elliot was phased by that part of it. Now I think the main issue was Clinton's obtuseness with discussing the lack of attraction. Follow that up with Clinton saying "at least you know!" when the whole issue with the Elliot/Clinton ship is that Elliot doesn't know how Clinton feels. Though to be fair, Clinton doesn't know how Clinton feels yet. Clinton's blasé attitude with Elliot about knowing where you stand with someone is clearly a mistake. I just don't know how much of one.
This why I broke my lurking. Everyone on here seems to be of the opinion that Clinton has hurt Elliot. I don't think I'm of that opinion. All the thoughts on here have helped me understand, but I don't think I've come to the same conclusions. Elliot's face in the last panel of 4384 may be hurt, as in "How could you say this knowing that I don't know how YOU feel about me?" But I also see it possibly being his personal angst, as in "Craaaap, am I going to have to ask him flat out if he thinks I'm attractive?". I'd love to hear what y'all think of this. And if you think I'm missing something about how Elliot's hurt, I'd love a better explanation. Preferably one that comes in the form of what Elliot should say to Clinton to make him understand how he hurt him.
BlueFatima:
Been around a bit. Not here (I mostly lurk too), but in general. I am middle aged and went through crazy times with my wit and health in tact after seeing quite a few younger and older end up worse off.
Drank with a few people. Went to a few crazy parties and bars and festivals so I see people get many ways shitfaced. My experience is when someone starts being so rude/thoughtless as Clinton was but they are not puking drunk and are okay enough to walk home, it is a sign they took off their mask and it is good to back away—be it a future relationship prospect or even a close friendship. Anytime I (or a friend) didn’t back away after that kind of situation, it has ended in a sea of regret.
Clinton knows Elliot has feelings for him. He specifically came there to feel it out (edit - and I remember him telling Elliot that those were his intentions). His actions (both prior and post drinks) have been pretty crass. If Elliott still is hot for Clinton after this, and Elliott was a real person, I’d have a feeling he probably has some of his own demons to wrestle with—low self esteem to be the tip of the iceberg. I may be wrong, but Elliot’s body language and facial expressions (especially in the last two panels) give me the vibe he is disappointed and done with Clinton as a romance prospect. He looks tense and yet assertive.
--- Quote from: Christophelous on 30 Oct 2020, 16:32 ---Hi, I'm new! :clairedoge:
I mean, not that new. I come on here periodically for clarification as to what's going on with the comic, so I guess I'm a un-lurked lurker. This time, it's because I didn't understand the apprehensiveness in Elliot's demeanor when Clinton said what he did about Brun and Elliot. I don't consider myself to be socially awkward either, though I make mistakes like any other person. I think I get it now, but I still don't think I'm getting the whole picture.
At first I thought the fact that Clinton discussed this with Brun while on a (not) date with Elliot was the problem (I know it's what would've stopped me from bringing it up) but it didn't seem like Elliot was phased by that part of it. Now I think the main issue was Clinton's obtuseness with discussing the lack of attraction. Follow that up with Clinton saying "at least you know!" when the whole issue with the Elliot/Clinton ship is that Elliot doesn't know how Clinton feels. Though to be fair, Clinton doesn't know how Clinton feels yet. Clinton's blasé attitude with Elliot about knowing where you stand with someone is clearly a mistake. I just don't know how much of one.
This why I broke my lurking. Everyone on here seems to be of the opinion that Clinton has hurt Elliot. I don't think I'm of that opinion. All the thoughts on here have helped me understand, but I don't think I've come to the same conclusions. Elliot's face in the last panel of 4384 may be hurt, as in "How could you say this knowing that I don't know how YOU feel about me?" But I also see it possibly being his personal angst, as in "Craaaap, am I going to have to ask him flat out if he thinks I'm attractive?". I'd love to hear what y'all think of this. And if you think I'm missing something about how Elliot's hurt, I'd love a better explanation. Preferably one that comes in the form of what Elliot should say to Clinton to make him understand how he hurt him.
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Christophelous:
--- Quote from: BlueFatima on 30 Oct 2020, 17:19 ---His actions (both prior and post drinks) have been pretty crass.
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How were his actions prior to drinking crass? And I really wanted to figure out why what he said after was crass. If it's just the one thing I mentioned, it's self absorbed but not completely awful. Just socially awkward in the standard Clinton way.
Potato Farmer:
--- Quote from: Christophelous on 30 Oct 2020, 17:37 ---
--- Quote from: BlueFatima on 30 Oct 2020, 17:19 ---His actions (both prior and post drinks) have been pretty crass.
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How were his actions prior to drinking crass? And I really wanted to figure out why what he said after was crass. If it's just the one thing I mentioned, it's self absorbed but not completely awful. Just socially awkward in the standard Clinton way.
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I'm mostly with you on this, but the idea appears to be that Clinton made two big mistakes.
The first one is that he asked Brun whether she's attracted to him while he's technically on a date with Elliot. Some people are interpreting that as him treating Elliot like a second choice, but even without that interpretation, I guess it goes against social norms to inquire about romantic interest in a third party while you're supposed to be spending time with your date, preferably in a romantic manner. Basically it's seen as neglectful at best and outright dismissive at worst. Oh, and telling Elliot about it alerts Elliot to the fact that Clinton has done this, which could be seen as him not caring how Elliot feels about the entire thing.
The second mistake is that he told Elliot that Brun told him that she doesn't think she has any attraction towards any guy right now, which would include Elliot. Who also has a crush on Brun. Dropping that kind of thing on a guy without warning or prior knowledge whether they'll appreciate you telling them is kind of... well, I could imagine close friends doing that to each other without issue but Clinton and Elliot don't know each other that well yet so that can easily be interpreted as Clinton once again blithely ignoring Elliot's feelings.
EDIT: But yeah I'm basically on the same page that Clinton is committing social faux pas left and right but I can't really find myself in people saying this reveals Clinton to be a horrible or toxic person. Quite frankly I'm pretty certain I have committed similar social blunders in the past and will continue to do so in the future. If that makes people see me as a bad person then... that's unfortunate.
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