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WCDT strips 4381-4385 (Oct 26th to Oct 30th 2020)
IantoSteerpike:
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--- Quote from: SpanielBear on 30 Oct 2020, 01:14 ---Clinton is not a nice guy
Clinton is a Nice Guy.
He turns immediately toxic and abusive the moment he doesn’t get his way. He is entitled, and an asshole.
If anyone ends up in a relationship with him, I will be genuinely worried about their safety and mental health going forward.
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Honestly, I think that's a really extreme and unfair take. I don't think any of this is intentional, which doesn't change the fact that it's hurtful behavior, but it sure as hell isn't abusive or entitled. I think some people are filtering it through the lens of their own experiences with Far Worse people, and thinking it applies to Clinton. Who, frankly, is just an idiot, but hardly the type to be malicious. His 'meddling' here isn't even as bad as Claire's has been.
He's drunk, and socially inept. Neither of those are excuses for hurtful behavior, but they're factors to keep in mind, especially with how frequently alcohol consumption can result in lapses in judgement. He's certainly not a threat to anyone's safety, and canceling him over a flub like this, no matter how cringeworthy, is definitely excessive, in my view.
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Honestly, I think a lot of boils down to the fact that it was a big mistake for them to have their first date at Elliot's place of work WHILE he was actually working. Even if it was just a "test", there's no way that Elliot could give his full attention to Clinton. And it also made it easier to treat it as a "not-date", which just skews the vibe more.
Maybe they both thought it would be a lower-stakes way of exploring the potential, but it ended up being a little too low-stakes, in that it didn't seem like either of them truly treated it like a real date, and it shows.
chris73:
--- Quote from: sitnspin on 01 Nov 2020, 06:24 ---The idea that trans characters can only exist to fulfill some narrative function or to make a point directly related to them not being cis is deeply and intensely frustrating. Trans people are allowed to exist just as themselves. No one ever insists that a cis character has to have their cishet status be a storypoint, so why are trans characters held to that expectation? Why are they allowed to just be?
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Ok that's a good point I hadn't considered. I guess for me it comes down to wanting to see more of Marten as he's a character I relate most to and since he's in a relationship with a trans character I want to see where it goes
It was a big deal for both of them at the time the relationship started (and still is I'm assuming) so that's why I'd like to it addressed
Reaver:
--- Quote from: Tova on 01 Nov 2020, 01:37 ---I kinda agree with this; but on the other hand, I remarked recently that this pairing seemed inevitable, and I have not really changed my mind this week.
I mean, whither Clinton if this ship is torpedoed? How long have we been strung along with this Clinton/Elliot/Brun triangle? A couple of years?
During that time, it's been very clear that Jeph is only interested in portraying queer relationships and queer or AI storylines. So what will happen if Clinton decides he's not interested in guys after all? I can't think where Jeph would take an awkward white straight boy from there.
Clinton's journey has been pretty uneven. He started as a foil to Hannelore, quickly became a supporting actor to Claire's journey (who, like other QC characters who more recently have landed in a relationship, has been pretty well sidelined). Then became creepy again. Then became confident and heroic in what seemed to be the most heavy-handed on-the-nose bit of writing in the history of QC, not to put too fine a point on it (and which I now can't locate to save my life). And now he's back to being socially inept, any progress that he seemed to make in considering the welfare of someone other than himself seems to have been thrown out.
I wonder what lies in the future for QC. I wish Jeph would stop abandoning characters as soon as they make relationships - it's terribly self-limiting. I know I harp on this - sorry. Where are the Marten/Claire stories? Dora/Tai? Even Bubbles/Faye strips have been thin on the ground. And the May storyline, the one story that wasn't written to indulge the shippers, has magically resolved itself without May really having done much to earn it (other than finally accept charity, which I didn't find to be super satisfying because her hand was more or less forced - she's very much been a passive protagonist in that storyline).
There's always Hannelore's relationship with her mother, I guess - maybe that story will get back off the ground, who knows. But again, since it's clear that Hanners isn't interested in relationships, it seems inevitable she will remain on the sidelines as well.
And then there's also Roko's dissociative episodes, hanging there waiting for resolution (or not).
But I suspect that these are addressed at all, they will simply magically be resolved at some point like all the other interesting storylines we've seen.
*sigh*
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Wow...I have never agreed with a post on this forum more in my LIFE!
Where my TaiDora at?! You got them engaged and then the wedding plots been dangling , I wanna see more Dale/Marigold and even more Bubbles/Faye ...Clair and Marten need more spotlight too...I'm sad so much of the cast basically gets put on a bus to a peace conference whenever they get another.
N.N. Marf:
As poorly conceived this meet was, there's much for them each to consider. And is tighter storying than recently has been.
--- Quote from: Oenone on 31 Oct 2020, 13:51 ---especially after she indicated she needed to get back to work.
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I think this is the valid point. It's not about the work, but about there being other things to do. But Clinton didn't demand. Brun could've refused or deferred.
As much I might dislike it, some businesses care about false pleasantry, but if Clinton understood Brun disregards such expectations, it'd be against only such employer.
--- Quote from: Oenone on 31 Oct 2020, 13:51 ---treating this exploratory outting as a checkbox with steps to speed through [...] less about Brun or Elliot than about Clinton crossing his Ts and dotting his Is.
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You said it yourself, Brun's hurrying back to work. And Clinton's hurrying to the toilet. There's not much time for much more. He could've waited for when there's more time---but what's wrong with quick? Ask the question, get an answer; then consider it at his own pace---or not get the answer: let them consider it at their own pace, answering a next time.
--- Quote from: Oenone on 31 Oct 2020, 13:51 ---immediately divulges what should be a personal
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Yeah. Terrible. Too bad it happens so often. At least Clinton's inconfidence is patent.
--- Quote from: Tova on 31 Oct 2020, 20:39 ---
--- Quote from: N.N. Marf on 31 Oct 2020, 00:26 ---Not forgiving myself---certainly not forgetting---is one of the ways I avoid repeating past mistakes.
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We must have very different understandings of what self-forgiveness is, because I don't see how it is possible to truly learn from one's past mistakes without it.
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Forgiveness is the committment to not request restoration. It helps cease myopic pressure to restore earlier than effective, but, especially intrapersonally, such pressure with me is naught, so it'd only convolute. It's about keeping the books strait, so to speak. Balancing said `books' neatly requires correcting the root error, then tidying it's instances---like repaying interest after the principal's extinguished.
What meant you by truly learn?
--- Quote from: Tova on 01 Nov 2020, 01:37 ---any progress that he seemed to make in considering the welfare of someone other than himself seems to have been thrown out.
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Well.. no. It's coming in phases. First: naught; then intense work towards, then rest---seeming regression---focus on other things, until motive returns,,---is how I learn; like a sum of sine and hyperbola.
Is it cold in here?:
--- Quote from: chris73 on 01 Nov 2020, 01:41 ---This as pairing never worked for me, it just smacked of the author wanting to check another box.
Elliot is a low tech guy (bread making, sports, working out) and Clinton is all about AIs, not (presumably) into fitness or sports so they have nothing in common, Clinton hadn't even had any gay thoughts up until now (or has he and I missed it?)
The only way this seems plausible is that Elliot and Clinton are both so lonely and desperate they'll get off with anyone that'll have them
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Chris, that's a well taken point about how little they have in common.
Attraction doesn't depend on that but I think there's research that relationship success correlates with having common attitudes and interests.
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