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YouTube protest walkout Dec 10th-13th, 2020
N.N. Marf:
--- Quote from: BenRG on 10 Dec 2020, 04:21 ---YouTube is a commercial business and I recognise that the ads (as horribly intrusive and annoying as they can be) are a legitimate way of creating revenue to keep the service working and fund its parent company too. So, no, I wouldn't watch YouTube with an ad blocker as that's basically video piracy from my perspective.
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Really, there should be an ad-clicker instead. To load and play though the ads, occasionally clicking them, and browsing around the target website---all in the background, so you won't be annoyed by any of it. Who would be hurt by that? There are some marketing departments that care about effectiveness---they'll quickly learn to not advertise in annoying or intrusive ways, because those will be blocked. On the other hand, there are marketing departments who don't care about the company's profit---are able to present some persuasive `statistic' like n new users---not saying that most will never return after they got their meager sign-up bonus. Such marketing departments, too, won't suffer by it---maybe they'll show how much `clickthrough' they're getting, or whatever else would develop in the marketing market. Then, it's the company with such an awful marketing department that suffers? Sure, their suffering is increased---at their own damn fault, for blindly trusting their marketing department.
i'd be interested in understanding how a horribly intrusive practice can be legitimate. Were there nothing better---fine, but there are business models that don't rely on horribly intrusive practices. Were everyone informed about how their data could be used against them---fine, but they're not, so are being exploited. That doesn't look like a legitimate practice to me.
I'd also be interested in understanding your ideas about copyright restriction.
LTK:
--- Quote from: BenRG on 10 Dec 2020, 04:21 ---YouTube is a commercial business and I recognise that the ads (as horribly intrusive and annoying as they can be) are a legitimate way of creating revenue to keep the service working and fund its parent company too. So, no, I wouldn't watch YouTube with an ad blocker as that's basically video piracy from my perspective.
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Google is a multibillion dollar company. They make their ad revenue on the backs of the people making videos who receive a pittance in return, all the while subjecting everyone trying to make a living off of it to the whims of an algorithm that they might not even understand. Given that ads also make the browsing/watching experience universally and objectively worse, I see absolutely no moral issue with blocking ads.
oddtail:
--- Quote from: LTK on 10 Dec 2020, 10:51 ---
--- Quote from: BenRG on 10 Dec 2020, 04:21 ---YouTube is a commercial business and I recognise that the ads (as horribly intrusive and annoying as they can be) are a legitimate way of creating revenue to keep the service working and fund its parent company too. So, no, I wouldn't watch YouTube with an ad blocker as that's basically video piracy from my perspective.
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Google is a multibillion dollar company. They make their ad revenue on the backs of the people making videos who receive a pittance in return, all the while subjecting everyone trying to make a living off of it to the whims of an algorithm that they might not even understand. Given that ads also make the browsing/watching experience universally and objectively worse, I see absolutely no moral issue with blocking ads.
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Yeah, same, especially as I've supported many Youtubers via Patreon in the past, to the extent that it's orders of magnitude more money for them than if they got whatever money is awarded to them from the ads I watch. Even though my Patreon contributions were very small as a rule.
Torlek:
--- Quote from: LTK on 10 Dec 2020, 10:51 ---Google is a multibillion dollar company. They make their ad revenue on the backs of the people making videos who receive a pittance in return, all the while subjecting everyone trying to make a living off of it to the whims of an algorithm that they might not even understand. Given that ads also make the browsing/watching experience universally and objectively worse, I see absolutely no moral issue with blocking ads.
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"This person has more money than I do and it is therefore morally acceptable for me to steal from them."
sitnspin:
Youtube is not a person. And, yes.
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