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WCDT 4451-4455 (the 1st through 5th of February, 2021)
Tova:
--- Quote from: Gyrre on 07 Feb 2021, 17:06 ---'Faith' as in 'I accept this as it's presented', not as in 'religious faith'.
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Gyrre, I think I can comprehend your frustration at apparently being misunderstood, but perhaps it's worth thinking about how those misapprehensions came about?
Just as a reminder, it was you yourself that introduced this very topic within the context of religious faith (bolding is mine):
--- Quote from: Gyrre on 04 Feb 2021, 21:18 ---Just want to reiterate my point about people who treat science like a religion. A lot of them do the 'I'm better than you because I believe in science' schtick. That's not what science is for or about.
Science helps us better understand the world around us and --when applied well-- helps improves our lives to some degree in some facet. It is a tool for understanding, not a scale for judging others.
All sciences have their foundation in faith [imperical evidence, postulates, and 1+1=2]. The difference is that science uses faith as a starting point .
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It's unclear what you were comparing with when you said "the difference", but it's easy to interpret this as comparing science to religion.
Also, I personally found your point confusing because you attacked people "who treat science like religion" in your first paragraph above, then proceeded to do so yourself in the third. As far as I can tell, at least. That's a little perplexing. The only way I can parse this that makes sense is that you are posting all this in an attempt to defend religion -- which is fine, but it's not entirely clear.
I agree with Mori - the whole "science is just like religion" thing is tiresome.
I guess you're having trouble expressing the essence of the video that you link? In my experience, when I am having that kind of trouble, it's because I haven't internalised what it's saying as well as I thought I had.
Is it cold in here?:
People's ideas about science are contaminated by poor education that presents science as a body of dogma rather than a means to advance against the unknown, going to far as to completely suppress obvious questions when there isn't a ready-made answer.
It drove me up the wall as a child to read about lightning storms and get complete silence about how that charge separation even happened. (I believe nobody knows and it is contemptible for a science lesson not to acknowledge it.)
An honorable exception is the visitors center at the Green Bank observatory. The exhibits consistently say what the open questions are.
dawolf:
How would "putting a design on a body part" be cultural appropriation? Clinton has a robot hand: he can design it however he wants.
Farideh:
Good comment, but you might want to put it in the correct WCDT :) https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,34821.0.html
Gyrre:
--- Quote from: Tova on 08 Feb 2021, 17:51 ---
--- Quote from: Gyrre on 07 Feb 2021, 17:06 ---'Faith' as in 'I accept this as it's presented', not as in 'religious faith'.
--- End quote ---
Gyrre, I think I can comprehend your frustration at apparently being misunderstood, but perhaps it's worth thinking about how those misapprehensions came about?
Just as a reminder, it was you yourself that introduced this very topic within the context of religious faith (bolding is mine):
--- Quote from: Gyrre on 04 Feb 2021, 21:18 ---Just want to reiterate my point about people who treat science like a religion. A lot of them do the 'I'm better than you because I believe in science' schtick. That's not what science is for or about.
Science helps us better understand the world around us and --when applied well-- helps improves our lives to some degree in some facet. It is a tool for understanding, not a scale for judging others.
All sciences have their foundation in faith [imperical evidence, postulates, and 1+1=2]. The difference is that science uses faith as a starting point .
--- End quote ---
It's unclear what you were comparing with when you said "the difference", but it's easy to interpret this as comparing science to religion.
Also, I personally found your point confusing because you attacked people "who treat science like religion" in your first paragraph above, then proceeded to do so yourself in the third. As far as I can tell, at least. That's a little perplexing. The only way I can parse this that makes sense is that you are posting all this in an attempt to defend religion -- which is fine, but it's not entirely clear.
I agree with Mori - the whole "science is just like religion" thing is tiresome.
I guess you're having trouble expressing the essence of the video that you link? In my experience, when I am having that kind of trouble, it's because I haven't internalised what it's saying as well as I thought I had.
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Sorry for the miscommunication. That is indeed why I posted the video with the request to watch it. I knew I wasn't in the right headspace to explain myself.
Science and religion are apples and oranges. But, as Is it cold in here? puts it, there's a bunch of dipshits[1] who get how each works pretty muddled thanks in part to our craptastic American education system (I won't speak for the UK).
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 09 Feb 2021, 11:30 ---People's ideas about science are contaminated by poor education that presents science as a body of dogma rather than a means to advance against the unknown, going to far as to completely suppress obvious questions when there isn't a ready-made answer.
It drove me up the wall as a child to read about lightning storms and get complete silence about how that charge separation even happened. (I believe nobody knows and it is contemptible for a science lesson not to acknowledge it.)
An honorable exception is the visitors center at the Green Bank observatory. The exhibits consistently say what the open questions are.
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I'm honestly so just ready for a vacation at work. Thankfully we're FINALLY properly staffed on my shift and it's not just me and one (if we're lucky 2) techs and the night shift supervisor doing everything that a dayshift with 9 people on it whinging about being "shorthanded" and doing fuckall when it comes to their share of the same duties I have on my shift. I'm honestly on the verge of quitting.
[1]That's the nicest way I can put that. I've been dealing with seemingly more and more of them over the course of the last year and it makes me wish I could deck them through their computers.
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