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LightThievesAll:
--- Quote from: a pack of wolves ---All metalcore bands are hardcore bands. It's just another sub-genre like screamo, grindcore, powerviolence or youth crew. Hence the 'core' suffix. The various interpretations of genres seem to cause a lot of problems these days. Just look at the reaction you get when you tell someone you like emo, when most of those people have never heard more than maybe one or two at most actual emo bands.
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The difference between metalcore and say, grindcore, powerviolence or youth crew, is that grindcore, powerviolence and youth crew don't suck. I'll be honest, I haven't listened to a large amount of metalcore simply because the term kind of pisses me off, seems like a manufactured sub-genre to sell more records, but that still doesn't mean I've enjoyed what I've heard. I've found that a lot of the metalcore type folks I know have a taste in music that I do not like at all, so that contributes to my prejudice as well. If you profess to be a metal fan and don't like (or at least respect) Slayer, I have a hard time taking you seriously. Similar with a hardcore fan who has no respect for, I dunno, SSD or Poison Idea. I tend to be a judgmental prick when it comes to shit like that.
I guess the bottom line is this: I've given Killswitch Engage, Shadows Fall, Unearth, etc. the benefit of the doubt and they don't impress me.
Question- would people consider Candiria metalcore? I don't, even though they've been embraced by that crowd. Silly labelling non-withstanding, Candiria is absolutely killer.
a pack of wolves:
See, I just don't see any of those bands as metalcore (including Candiria). I know a guy who likes a fair bit of that stuff and it gets on his nerves that they aren't just called metal bands when they blatantly are (just bad ones). Now Thirty Seconds Until Armageddon, that was bloody good metalcore.
Oh, and I'm with you on Poison Idea. How can you say you like hardcore but not respect the guys D.S.-13 sang about being 'kings of punk'?
kikanjuuneko:
--- Quote from: LightThievesAll ---The difference between metalcore and say, grindcore, powerviolence or youth crew, is that grindcore, powerviolence and youth crew don't suck. I'll be honest, I haven't listened to a large amount of metalcore simply because the term kind of pisses me off, seems like a manufactured sub-genre to sell more records, but that still doesn't mean I've enjoyed what I've heard. I've found that a lot of the metalcore type folks I know have a taste in music that I do not like at all, so that contributes to my prejudice as well. If you profess to be a metal fan and don't like (or at least respect) Slayer, I have a hard time taking you seriously. Similar with a hardcore fan who has no respect for, I dunno, SSD or Poison Idea. I tend to be a judgmental prick when it comes to shit like that.
I guess the bottom line is this: I've given Killswitch Engage, Shadows Fall, Unearth, etc. the benefit of the doubt and they don't impress me.
Question- would people consider Candiria metalcore? I don't, even though they've been embraced by that crowd. Silly labelling non-withstanding, Candiria is absolutely killer.
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First of all, metalcore isn't a manufactured label term for selling records. Hell, the term, as far as I've heard has been around since the mid-90's, as have some metalcore bands (who are all coincidentally split up and forgotten these days). Integrity were formed in 1989! All Out War were formed in 1993! Metalcore isn't exactly a new genre.
And who the hell doesn't like Slayer or Maiden? I first heard "Reign in Blood" and "Fear of the Dark" when I was 10, but apparently, just because I think Unearth's "The Oncoming Storm" is one of the better albums I've heard the last couple of years, my opinion is completely invalidated in the eyes of some people!
PS. Avenged Sevenfold suck cocks. And so do Eighteen Visions. And let's not even talk about the painful things I want to do to Atreyu.
PS2. Some people consider Candiria metalcore. Some don't.
--- Quote from: KharBevNor ---
Wha? Name these bands, as I would probably call them Hardcore bands.
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Oh, I don't know, Botch, Coalesce, Deadguy, The Dillinger Escape Plan, Norma Jean, Unbroken, Converge, Poison the Well, Hatebreed (and every other band that sounds like them) and, uh, Drowningman? That enough for you, Khar? Hardly your parents' hardcore (as 7 Seconds would put it), but hardly Gothenburg-sounding either.
a pack of wolves:
Norma Jean? Urgh, worse than Atreyu for crimes against metal in my opinion. Kudos on the Coalesce, Unbroken, Drowningman, Deadguy and Botch though. Wish they'd come to my mind earlier, for some reason I just kept thinking of long-defunct UK bands.
kikanjuuneko:
Dude, Norma Jean kick ass.
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