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explaining straightedge
24_hour_revenge_therapy:
--- Quote ---I get that all the time.
Straight edge is, y'know, respectable and all. But I'm kinda glad it hasn't really spread to riound where I live. I don't mind your original 'Don't Smoke, Don't Drink, Don't Fuck' crowd (though I only tick one X through choice, I don't smoke and never will), that's fine. Veganism I'm less keen on, especially militant veganism of the type put about by Earth Crisis and so forth (I'm a former Hunt Sab, but I firmly believe that even talking about placing the life of an animal over the life of a human is deeply, deeply wrong. It's un-natural, if nothing else) Some of the stuff I've heard about the SLC scene scares me fucking shitless.
Finally, I don't like straight-edge kids (and I think you'll agree there are quite a few) who take themselves way too seriously. For example: the kind of people who made Hot Topic withdraw one of the few decent shirts they ever printed "So You're Straight-edge? I'll drink to that!" or the ones who would choose to assume an air of superiority over me or indeed anyone who drinks, smokes, has promiscous sex etc. I can understand where you're coming from of course, but knock it off: I've made my choices, you've made yours, and I'm not stupid. I've never drunk so much I was sick, I've never done drugs, and on the rare instanced I do get lucky I always use protection. I'm not a weak person, thanks very much.
So, anyway, hi.
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hey, that's cool. like you said, it's all about choices. you've made yours, and you seem to be able to live a perfectly healthy life. good for you.
as for veganism, well, that's something i LOVE to talk about. but not here. if you wanna e-mail me, i'd be more than happy to have a nice long rant about animal rights with you.
and yeah, there are a LOT of sxe kids (and i do mean kids. theyre usually younger than 20) who don't have ANY sense of humor about themselves. i remember that shirt. i laughed at it, and shook my head. it was dumb. but whatever. the kids that got it yanked probably broke edge that same year. i have a rule: the harder you push it, the faster you fall.
oh, and hi back. :)
p.s. the slc scene isn't that scary. i've met guys that were a LOT tougher than those kids. and they didn't need to beat people up to prove it.
24_hour_revenge_therapy:
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--- Quote from: a pack of wolves ---Okay, so you stop beatings happening. But 'it's kind of subjective, and we do take it on a case by case basis'? No offence, but who made you guys the official scene police? And why not stop a fight if only two people are involved? It's still violence.
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well, i'm not sure how it is where you are, but unfortuanetly, the scene in pheonix is kinda crappy right now. lots of shitty venues, with shady owners, who REFUSE to hire security. who makes us the scene police? well, we do, because someone has to. as for stopping a one on one fight, well, we make them go outside and deal with it. but it's not really our problem. if two idiots want to pound each other senseless in the parking lot, let them. i'm gonna listen to the band.
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To quote those much-missed hardcore legends Fig 4.0: "Bouncers... Die!" They won't hire security? That's a good thing! It's a punk gig, not having bouncers is what you should want to happen! Your scene might be shitty, but that's no need to bring in hired muscle. The best thing to do is just make it a place where knucklehead macho types aren't welcome.
Where I am is great. Well at least it is for proper, DIY hardcore stuff. I think you get trouble at the big gigs when shit like Throwdown etc play, but that has nothing to do with my scene so I couldn't care less if some meatheads windmill each other. The few occasions something does happen it's normally dealt with by the crowd in a reasonably mature manner, without the need for some little group in particular to police things.
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lord, i LOVE figure four.
and it's cool that your scene works that well. ours works pretty well, just in a different way. we try to make it as safe as possible, and we don't walk around, acting tough. when shit happens, we just take care of it, and everyone continues having a good time. when i said the scene was shitty, i really meant that it's the venues. those guys have NO respect for us. it kinda sucks.
i should also point out that the BEST venue in town (and i do mean a GREAT one), the modified, has never, ever hired security. there just aren't fights there. it's a rule. it's a great venue, with cool people, and loads of respect. so, we do know how to do it that way, too. ;)
Patatat:
Sorry, I just can't resist.
I really wan't to know what your reason for Veganism is.
a pack of wolves:
No, Fig. 4.0 are a different band to Figure Four. The latter are American and still going (I think), the former were from the UK and are sadly defunct.
Have you tried squatting venues, or seeing if you can set your own legal one up?
24_hour_revenge_therapy:
that's actually probably going to be the way things are gonna go soon. were really getting sick and tired of shitty venue owners ripping off bands and the few respectable promoters out there. there's been talk of people buying a house for shows, and other things. my guess is that it'll happen in the next year or two, at the most.
edit: my apologies. didn't mean to confuse the bands. i'm gonna go check out fig. 4.0. sounds interesting.
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