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Hatebunny:

--- Quote from: KharBevNor ---
If I believe it is dull because I cannot identify with the emotions then the fault lies in the pedestrian, dull nature of the music itself rather than with me.

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In reality, there is no fault at all.
Your blaming the music for being the way it is, is like blaming vegetables for being less appetizing than candy.

The music is what it is, It's made by someone who is what he is. You can't blame something for being what it is, likewise, you can't blame yourself for disliking it because it is what it is. The music and you are separate entities, and clearly, if others like the music, the music isn't out to bore everyone to tears, otherwise everyone would be bored to tears by it. Pardon me for my use of redundant phrasing, but you're being unnecessarily narrow minded about this.

You don't have to like the music, but your reasons why you dislike the music are uninformed and utterly opinion based and biased.

Also, normal people do listen to a wide variety of music. NiN's fanbase is hardly goth, and if ANYone out there is still painting their face, they're listening to Sisters of Mercy and that kind of stuff. NiN's lyrics and music which cater to the feelings of angsty teens are not less relevent because they do. Likewise, angsty teens are not people to be looked down upon. Everyone's annoyed by something. Just be glad that there are people who enjoy more adult and more intelligent music than say, Linkin Park, Good Charlotte or Simple Plan, and who dress, talk and act normally, despite their angst.


edit: that is not to say that Linkin Park, Good Charlotte, and Simple Plan are not listenable, but their lyrics tend to be neither profound, nor particularly adult.

KharBevNor:
I wear makeup, on occasion*. Corpsepaint once or twice.

Currently I'm listening to 'Chaos Within' by 1349.


As I see this argument is going nowhere, I will cease, but only after giving this heartfelt plea to the world in general:

Please stop fellating the giant, freudian phallus of Trent Reznor's ego.

Thank-you

*No fucking painted on tears though! ARGHGHGHGHGHG**

** I should learn how to be less annoyed by everything.

Donut:
Wait.  You wear makeup, yet it's apparently some great offense for people to wear painted on tears?  


Double standard much?

KharBevNor:
No double standards whatsoever.

All Makeup =/= Awful shite-arse mallcore makeup

rynne:

--- Quote from: KharBevNor ---I think the real problem here is that Nine Inch Nails are a somewhat dull and vastly over-rated band, mainly liked by people who would cry if exposed to real Industrial music, and that Trent Reznor is a whining, tedious fart, who's only real skill is being able to churn out music that is simultaneously bland enough to garner mainstream appeal (whilst giving people the feeling that they're listening to something unique, interesting or even innovative) and complex and well-thought out enough to somehow blind everyone to the fact that all his 'emotional problems' are self-manufactured addictions funded by his vast album sales, pulling off the incredible feat of making people who claim to have musical taste, actually interested in his petty existence and somewhat tedious music, and even discuss it as if it was art of some sort.
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At this point, I like NIN simply because the music appeals to me.  I'll admit that NIN is best not at coming up with new sounds, but in putting together existing styles in ways that appeal to me, and to many people in general it seems.  I like something that skillfully melds, say, industrial with glam with IDM, etc.  I wouldn't say that the mainstream appeal equates directly to blandness--for example, I don't think "Closer" could be called bland, even though it was NIN's biggest hit.

In regards to his emotional problems, I don't think anyone out of their teens is blind to his self-destructive streak and his relative immaturity in how he deals with it.  At the NIN board I post at, a lot of folks will tell you that the man should grow up and stop writing songs about himself.

My theory is that Trent's not necessarily writing for a mainstream appeal, but that his descriptions of his pain/anger/suffering are so generally phrased that it's easy for listeners to identify with the songs if they're so inclinded.

I do think the new album's lyrics are a bit more mature in terms of their emotional content, if not their stylings.  It's baby steps, to be sure, but it is progress nonetheless.

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