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Robbo:
Dream Theater...and how are they pointless? Words aren't even part of music. Like they say "Lyrics, just wasted time between solos"

Kanno:
Lyrics are an extremely important part of music.  Try to imagine John Lennon's "Imagine" as an instrumental, it would be great elevator music, but that's about it.

There's just so many bad songwriters out there nowadays that they seem like "wasted time between solos".

McTaggart:
Dude, listen to Air's Moon Safari album. You don't need lyrics.

I know there are some tracks with vocals, it's just that the tracks without are awesome too. Better even.

Kanno:
Alright, maybe I was wrong in saying that rock instrumentals are pointless.  Some people can do them well and still make great music.  Some.

But the other thing I'm getting at is that you can convey more in music with lyrics than you can without.  Music can convey all types of emotion, for instance,  you can make a guitar sound like love, sadness, hate, violence, a sunny day... whatever.

But you can't make a guitar convey that "you like grilled cheese sandwiches".

I just think that music with lyrics can reach a higher point of greatness than an instrumental piece, since you can get all the splendor of the original instrumental piece, plus (if you have talent) have a poetic message which can make it even better!

Or you could sit and tell me that John Cage's 4:33 was the best song ever.

Robbo:
Bad songwriters...you mean writing bad words or writing bad music? And it's what you look for in the music. If I'm listening to Neo-Classical Shred (note the very niche example) stuff, I dont care if the guy is singing about dragons or his wedding, I want the solos.

I listen to planty of bands with great lyrics...but I'm not overly bothered, half of those bands come from genres where the vox are an insturment anyway.

Next you'll say Classical or Ambient pieces are piontless. Music is about the music. Take the lyrics away and you still have music. Take the music away and all you have is words.

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