Topic: What's with the records? (Read 21278 times)

Lalaladida · « **on:** 05 Jun 2005, 02:21 »

Ok, so if people want to listen to records, that's fine, I don't really care.

I just have one question: WHY???

I just don't understand it at all. Maybe people who listen to them like big things, and they are bigger than CDs? Maybe they stay at home all day or don't like to listen to music the car, or when they're walking? Nostalgia? Like the crackling noises over the music when they get a bit old?

Plus, with CDs, you can put them on your computer and it's very convenient a lot of the time.

I listen to my parents' old records sometimes, but just because it would be a hassle to get them on CD. I don't think they sound better or anything.

yipjumpmusic · « **Reply #1 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 02:48 »

bigger cover art? Hmm...the singles that are only available on vinyl like pinback's todo. ...and yes, also the non logical, neato factor that throws out practical reasoning. Hmm maybe others can explain better cause I don't feel like going beyond that now.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #2 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 02:55 »

Oddly enough, metal has never really had a vinyl culture. I blame it on the fact that most smaller metal labels live off international orders, and CD's and tapes are just so much more convenient to mail without getting destroyed.

MilkmanDan · « **Reply #3 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 04:00 »

Because they are fucking cool.
Duh.

Also, I'm a DJ, so records have many rather large advantages over CDs. And yes, you can get CD DJ Decks, and no, they're not as good.

yipjumpmusic · « **Reply #4 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 04:56 »

Also some will say something like it has a warmer sound but it is just not as good in quality (though I must mention I have 3 record players so don't think I am against records)....wait...this sounds familiar, I think there was a thread on this before

muffy · « **Reply #5 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 05:19 »

Quote from: MilkmanDan

Because they are fucking cool.
Duh.

Also, I'm a DJ, so records have many rather large advantages over CDs. And yes, you can get CD DJ Decks, and no, they're not as good.

Haha....ditto, but I now prefer CD, largely because I have such shoddy equipment in the clubs that it's a lot more likely that something will bugger up on the vinyl front than with CDs.
Also, CDs are a lot easier to replace, although there is that little tingly feeling I get when I have a 12" of an album I love, like I own it properly. Not sure why...

a pack of wolves · « **Reply #6 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 05:30 »

There are a few reasons. For a start, vinyl art allows for a lot more scope and is usually better than CDs and I'm quite a fan of record artwork. Although this doesn't apply to 5" vinyl. When it comes to 7"es, when those releases are on CD it seems like there's a lot of wasted space to me which always seems strange like the record is incomplete in some way, I prefer them on vinyl where they fill what space is available. And vinyl makes for two distinct sides to a record. A good example of this is GYBE's 'Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas To Heaven' which works much better on vinyl in my opinion. There's one track per side rather than two per CD, which breaks them up and gives them more impact for me. Those breaks caused by having to flip the vinyl over change the listening experience of any record quite a lot. And I like the whole ritual of playing records, as well as the fact that the vinyl itself quite apart from the artwork is a much nicer object than a CD, which will never look and feel as good as a big thick slab of Shellac wax.

Kai · « **Reply #7 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 07:56 »

I personally like vinyl because personally, it's just a much more involved experience than a cd, what with the taking it out of the case, putting it on, cleaning it, putting down the needle, etc. And, although it's actually lower quality, it just sounds nicer to me. Course, it helps that most of my music sounds good with a little fuzz. And some of the music I listen to is hard to find on cd, but the two record stores near me actually carry it. Also, the only cd stores around here are the chainish stores like Sam Goody and CD Warehouse and don't carry what I need either. Bleh.

La Creme · « **Reply #8 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 11:06 »

Most great jazz is only available on vinyl. That which isn't sounds better on vinyl. Plus, it's a bitch to listen to satanic messages and/or sped up Oingo Boingo on CD. If you have it, listen to "Grey Matter" by Oingo Boingo on a higher speed. That and "Whole Day Off".

Johnny C · « **Reply #9 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 12:56 »

I dunno why vinyls are popular; I guess the reasons above are pretty good. I just like them because there are some albums that you can't find on CD easily that pop up in thrift stores on vinyl all the time - for some reason, Thriller's pretty common.

Signum_Tenebrae · « **Reply #10 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 13:00 »

Quote from: KharBevNor

Oddly enough, metal has never really had a vinyl culture.

You think so? Metal has lots of vinyl nerds.

Plenty of stuff is released on vinyl only, especially in the black metal genre.

Revenge_Therapist · « **Reply #11 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 13:03 »

Only good music comes out on vinyl anymore. None of that pesky platic case stuff, and as far as portability goes I have a PC and an Ipod. Vinyl is fo rmy collection.

Signum_Tenebrae · « **Reply #12 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 13:07 »

Personally I'm not into vinyl. I never really saw any advantages of it over CDs or digital media.

The only reason people I know get vinyl is either because it's only available on vinyl (but this will eventually get ripped onto the internet anyway) or they are just collectors who want bragging rights about how kvlt their collection is.

-sam · « **Reply #13 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 13:14 »

I'm personally not into vinyl at all, just a little too young to have invested anything into the media, however i do get what the vinyl-o-philes claim. The digitization of those nice, smooth sound waves can be harsh.

-sam

Robbo · « **Reply #14 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 13:28 »

Yeah, in a low bitrate with a crappy ripping format and a low quality soundcard. Which is what happens in a lot of tests between these things.

I dont see the point, I'd only own stuff for bragging rights, but I dont really do that, so there's no point. And I'm not into ultra Kvlt Black Metal for limited vinyl only stuff to be an issue to me.

Signum_Tenebrae · « **Reply #15 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 13:49 »

Some of my favorite stuff is released only on vinyl, which kind of sucks since I will probably not ever buy the actual record. . but I have it all in MP3 which is nice.

a pack of wolves · « **Reply #16 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 16:22 »

A lot of my favourite stuff only gets vinyl releases too, since it's not popular enough to warrant two separate releases and a lot of people into hardcore and DIY rock really prefer vinyl. And since I really like lyrics and they're often undecipherable, and I play CDs and records far more than CDs (for one thing I can't afford an okay stereo and decent computer speakers) a record player is something of a necessity.

As for metal and vinyl fetishism, two words: Southern Lord.

Inlander · « **Reply #17 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 16:28 »

Quote from: La Creme

Most great jazz is only available on vinyl.

Whoa, hang on, what the fuck?! Would you care to qualify that statement, La Creme, by explaining what you consider to be "great" jazz? The jazz- reissue industry is insanely active at the moment - I have several hundred jazz C.D.s, including a very healthy chunk of what I would consider to be the greatest jazz recordings ever made - Billie Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald, Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, Duke Ellington, Count Basie, Charles Mingus, Lester Young . . . etc, etc. And each of them are direct reissues of original vinyl albums.

godbowstomath · « **Reply #18 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 17:33 »

Because they:
-fucking sound better
-fucking last longer
-are fucking easier to keep arranged
-are fucking cooler in general

inemnitable · « **Reply #19 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 18:29 »

there's something about vinyl and debussy... they just go hand in hand.

salada · « **Reply #20 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 18:38 »

my reasons:

- it's cheap! (markets and op-shop stuff, at least)
- it has (good, big) cover art!
- that crackly hiss when you first put the needle down, just before the music starts
- my housemate's duke ellington collection

Kai · « **Reply #21 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 18:47 »

Quote from: Inlander

Whoa, hang on, what the fuck?! Would you care to qualify that statement, La Creme, by explaining what you consider to be "great" jazz? The jazz- reissue industry is insanely active at the moment - I have several hundred jazz C.D.s, including a very healthy chunk of what I would consider to be the greatest jazz recordings ever made - Billie Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald, Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, Duke Ellington, Count Basie, Charles Mingus, Lester Young . . . etc, etc. And each of them are direct reissues of original vinyl albums.

For every good jazz album on cd, there's about 190 on vinyl. Just ask These guys. So much jazz on vinyl, you can't even listen to it all. I'm not kidding.

Also, the owner of that store is an amazing guy.

Inlander · « **Reply #22 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 19:35 »

Sure, but the rate at which jazz is reissued on C.D. is phenomenal. And I'd argue that most of the truly great recordings are pretty easily available now - often in several different forms (for better or for worse). Also, for a lot of the old recordings - Bix Beiderbecke, early Louis Armstrong, etc. - the sound quality on the recent C.D. reissues is unbelievable. Just listen to Columbia's reissue of its Charlie Christian recordings.

Kai · « **Reply #23 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 20:06 »

Well that's great to hear that Jazz is being put onto cd. The only problem is, the cd stores around here carry little other than the more mainstream of music, which doesn't tend to have much of a jazz section, and I rarely buy things online. So if I want jazz, I usually have to get it on vinyl.

Also, Miles Davis rocks my socks.

BusterKeaton · « **Reply #24 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 20:15 »

First off whoever started the post (too lazy to check) im presuming to be a younger person, Vinyl will never die because,
1-Its cool, referencing and owning music on such an old format makes it sound like you have historian-like musical knowledge
2-The sound, im not gonna start the analogue/digital debate. But i sincerely like the sound of vinyl, Its just warm and more broad not so filtered and overly perfect.
3-The content, Despite best efforts there are some rare classics that will never see a cd release but if you dig around you might just find that classic album youve been looking for.

Vinyl promotes a love for music in many ways,

Kai · « **Reply #25 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 20:27 »

That and you can pick up an entire box of em for like, 5 bucks. Sure, there may be only a few good ones, but you can always bring them to the record store and sell em to them.

Or at least I can. Being 4 minutes from the Midwest's largest music store. See link above. Totally awesome store.

El Opium · « **Reply #26 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 20:29 »

I just find that old albums and certain kinds of music sound better on vinyl. Stuff that's heavily produced and/or recorded on digital equiptment sounds fine on CD but there are so many things that just aern't right. Indie, punk and experimental stuff that's recorded on low track tape equiptment just isn't meant for the CD. In a way its kind of hard to explain, I have some records were I'm really happy I got the LP and a couple I think would sound just fine on CD. There are also so many CD re-issues out there that haven't been properly mastered for digital or just sound outright bad. Plus I also enjoy hunting vinyl, making a good find in a thrift store or dusky old record shop is certainly nice.

El Opium · « **Reply #27 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 20:31 »

I just find that old albums and certain kinds of music sound better on vinyl. Stuff that's heavily produced and/or recorded on digital equiptment sounds fine on CD but there are so many things that just aern't right. Indie, punk and experimental stuff that's recorded on low track tape equiptment just isn't meant for the CD. In a way its kind of hard to explain, I have some records were I'm really happy I got the LP and a couple I think would sound just fine on CD. There are also so many CD re-issues out there that haven't been properly mastered for digital or just sound outright bad. Plus I also enjoy hunting vinyl, making a good find in a thrift store or dusky old record shop is certainly nice.

Inlander · « **Reply #28 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 20:46 »

You can do the hunting thing with C.D.s as well, though. I was very excited when I finally managed to track down a copy of Charlie Parker's Savoy recordings.

(Yeah, I know, you can get the store to order C.D.s for you - I just like hunting around, it's so much more fun!)

Kai · « **Reply #29 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 20:50 »

Hunting around does make things much more satisfying.

Also, The Residents (Possibly my favorite band ever) Sound massively better on vinyl than on cd, in my opinion.

trill · « **Reply #30 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 21:05 »

I think I'm mainly into records for the experience of it.

I don't buy new music as records, unless that's the only way you can get it. It wasn't made to be on a record, and it doesn't sound like it was. But old music... I'm never going to see these bands live, and records feel like the next best thing.
I'll sit on the floor, put on my dad's massive 1970s headphones, and just listen. I love all the little pops and crackles. It feels more real, like humans actually made this music. It doesn't sound insanely produced, like most CDs do, to me.
Glass records make me insanely happy, too, although I'm kind of scared to touch them.

Also, between my dad's record collection and what I got from my neighbor when his dad died, it would be incredibly expensive/impossible to get CDs of everything. And I'm on 56k, so downloading is out.

Kai · « **Reply #31 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 21:08 »

Aye. My dad has at least 900 records, and so that also tends to add in to the "Why I listen to vinyl" argument.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #32 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 21:13 »

Quote from: Signum_Tenebrae

You think so? Metal has lots of vinyl nerds.

Plenty of stuff is released on vinyl only, especially in the black metal genre.

Well then, metal in the UK has never had a vinyl culture. Or at least, it doesn't today. Seriously, I go to a reasonable amount of small and medium shows, never any vinyl. The American 'scene' is, for want of a word, a whole different kettle of fish, so I suppose I shouldn't have spoken.

:p lots more geeks and kvltists over there.

Signum_Tenebrae · « **Reply #33 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 21:17 »

plus better BM bands.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #34 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 21:28 »

WTF DUDE WE HAVE CRADLE AND BAL-SAGOTH!!11!1!

Signum_Tenebrae · « **Reply #35 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 21:32 »

Quote from: KharBevNor

WTF DUDE WE HAVE CRADLE AND BAL-SAGOTH!!11!1!

Don't forget Hecate Enthroned!

KharBevNor · « **Reply #36 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 21:44 »

Didn't you hear? They got lost in the woods trying to be grim.

Anyway! We have loads of awesome black metal bands. Like, er, Akercocke, Goatvomit666, Orc, and December Moon!

Yeah...

-_-

Actually, we do have Anaal Nathrakh. They're pretty good.

Signum_Tenebrae · « **Reply #37 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 21:47 »

Anaal is decent.. A lot of people hype them up wayyy too much though.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #38 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 22:01 »

Yeah, they're big over here....managed to score a really odd semi-mainstream success. Pretty much everyone's at least heard of them, been in Kerrang! and all. So, people overhype them because they don't have enough to compare them to.

Though, what's that song by them, starts with a guy rasping 'JESUS WEPT', that's a real good song.

Oh yeah, and, uh vinyl.

Yahr.

Johnny C · « **Reply #39 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 22:30 »

Quote from: KharBevNor

Didn't you hear? They got lost in the woods trying to be grim.

Khar this is probably the funniest thing I've read on these forums all weekend.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #40 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 22:35 »

It is not as funny as Hecate Enthroned's music videos.

Though they are not a patch on the sheer damn genius of 'Call of the Wintermoon'. That video surpasses all mortal comprehension. Oh sweet fuck, the wizards hat!

Signum_Tenebrae · « **Reply #41 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 23:05 »

the wizard hat ist fucking krieg!!!

Inlander · « **Reply #42 on:** 05 Jun 2005, 23:08 »

Look at that! One of those old-fashioned vinyl records, how quaint!

Signum_Tenebrae · « **Reply #43 on:** 06 Jun 2005, 10:57 »

back on topic about vinyl..

I almost bought a Bathory vinyl the other day, just so I could be cool. it was "Under The Sign of the Black Mark"

ForteBass · « **Reply #44 on:** 06 Jun 2005, 11:04 »

Quote from: BusterKeaton

1-Its cool, referencing and owning music on such an old format makes it sound like you have historian-like musical knowledge

No... it means you own records. It's not historian-like, and cool is debateable. Personally, I don't own a record player anymore. If I did, then I'd buy records, simply so I could use the thing and not have it be a waste of space.

deborah · « **Reply #45 on:** 06 Jun 2005, 11:35 »

because slint and shellac told me to.

a pack of wolves · « **Reply #46 on:** 06 Jun 2005, 14:14 »

Good answer. Actually, Shellac are one of the only bands I'll only buy on vinyl. I normally make my decision based on what's cheapest, but with Shellac I'd pay extra for wax.

BusterKeaton · « **Reply #47 on:** 06 Jun 2005, 19:16 »

Quote from: ForteBass

Quote from: BusterKeaton
1-Its cool, referencing and owning music on such an old format makes it sound like you have historian-like musical knowledge

No... it means you own records. It's not historian-like, and cool is debateable. Personally, I don't own a record player anymore. If I did, then I'd buy records, simply so I could use the thing and not have it be a waste of space.

Thank you for pointing out the obvious, Think out your argument before you post.

ForteBass · « **Reply #48 on:** 06 Jun 2005, 23:40 »

Let me rephrase my argument. Owning records does not make you cool. Owning records does not give you historian-like appeal. Owning records means you own some fucking records. Do you see?

Inlander · « **Reply #49 on:** 06 Jun 2005, 23:53 »

Wait, Chuck, one more time - I don't quite understand yet!

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Author Topic: What's with the records? (Read 21278 times)

yipjumpmusic

MilkmanDan

yipjumpmusic

La Creme

Signum_Tenebrae

Revenge_Therapist

Signum_Tenebrae

-sam

Robbo

Signum_Tenebrae

godbowstomath

inemnitable

BusterKeaton

El Opium

El Opium

trill

Signum_Tenebrae

Signum_Tenebrae

Signum_Tenebrae

Signum_Tenebrae

Signum_Tenebrae

deborah

BusterKeaton