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jeremy:
Wait...how did a thread about elitism turn into a thread about Green Day?

Anyway, can we all agree that elitism is great? Really, where's the problem in believing that your view of what makes valuable/worthwhile art is somehow better or more correct than another persons'? I'm assuming that is what we are talking about*, or at least I hope so. Because if so, I am definitely an elitist. Not only that, but I'm better at being one than you are! :p

Okay, that was just asinine. Sorry. Gotta do something to blow off steam after work!

Seriously, though...I don't like this "let's all pretend that everything has its good points and never point out that something sucks when we think it does so as to protect everyone's oh-so-fragile feelings and tastes" game that a lot of people play. Let's not lose sight of what we're talking about here: MUSIC. It's entirely subjective (yes, it is!), so if someone doesn't like something that I happen to fancy, I'm not going to cry myself a fucking river over it. Chances are there is some musical common ground to be found with everyone, so why not focus on THAT instead of getting all bent out of shape when someone tells you that _____ sucks/is great/was better before they sold out?

* instead of believing, as some people do, that their completely subjective tastes actually make them better people than the people they disagree with. That's just silly. Damn silly.

Jimbles!:
I've had this debate a few times about elitism in music. This mostly pertains to underground styles but many forms of music become a subculture. For many, music is huge part of their life. When new forms of music come out and threaten or change the outlook of music you may have been listening, studying, and/or creating for years, people generally will have ill feelings towards it, which generally start trends.

As for my opinions on it, I know what I like and what I don't and of course I'm going to think the music I listen to is better than most. That's why I listen to it.

yipjumpmusic:
What about factoring in the people that only listen to what is presented them?  As in with radio and TV and chain stores?  A lot is not underground really, it is out there, easy to find but no one looks (mostly inet i mean)  Yes there are far too many to look through everything but just browsing around would open up things for most of these kind of people I think...Their music taste might drastically change if they looked around for their music.  Mine did a bit.

jeremy:
What about those people? I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here.

I will say that for those people, as for people who look outside of Tower Records or wherever, it's a question of their level of involvement, or rather interest in music itself.

As with anything else, you can choose to be as picky as you please concerning music. Obviously, if you're replying to this thread, you probably care about music a fair bit. It doesn't really matter what kind of music you care about, only that you are passionate about it in the same way that a meteorologist is passionate about clouds and wind and shit. When it comes to weather, I don't want to hear all that technical, nerdy talk about cold fronts and pressure cells. I know that I likely won't understand it, and besides, I only care about how hot/cold it will be that day, and whether or not it will rain. In the same way, many people don't really care about why they listen to whatever is on the radio, they only care that it does its job as background noise at work, or rump-shakin' beats at a nightclub, or whatever incidental position it needs to fill for them. Those very same people are probably huge nerds about baseball cards, or horses, or god knows what else.

It's like people who say they don't like chocolate. They exist, but no one is quite sure why. Least of all they themselves. :(

yipjumpmusic:
I am just saying in the debate of elitism that situation of people who take what is offered, and those who go looking, well it should be considered somehow besides just the fact of someone saying their music is better than anothers...I am not directing it into any point, just bringing it up.

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