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Objectivity in Music
Se7en:
Alright, you have a point, but its still measuring subjective views with an objective, statistical analysis. It allows you to seperate the good from the really bad, but can you use the same method to pick out distinctions between bands that are both pretty good?
If 51% of indie kids agree with a pitchfork review, does that mean its right?
lastclearchance:
--- Quote from: sp2 ---Now, I could compare, say, Green Day's "American Idiot" with so many various songs by, say, Dead Kennedys. Which communicates the emotions and ideas with more force, more skill, more knowledge, and more authenticity?
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We can discuss whether or not Green Day is skillful (actually let's not because I think we agree), but to accuse "American Idiot" of being inauthentic is kinda not fair. They may be misguided in their authenticity, but I don't think they're actually inauthentic.
I am also entertained by the different examples people are using. A lot of arguments are starting with the implied basis of "well everyone agrees that this is bad...." Anybody want to carry a torch for commercial house in this argument? Or American Idol? Or Cheeky Girls? ("Not it!")
KharBevNor:
--- Quote from: sp2 --- People who dislike this stuff mainly give reasons like "I don't like that style" or else just lack any semblance of taste. A good example would be Source Tags and Codes, by Trail of Dead...there is no legitimate reason to dislike this album with the exception of taste. You could also argue that Funeral, by Arcade Fire, fits the same bill.
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No, really, you can't say that because that assumes that music designed for one taste must be superior to music designed for another.
I mean, Trail of the Dead in particular, tricked the crap out of me by having a really cool name, and then just being boring. Not bad, but not really that good either. Why should style not be a legitimate reason to dislike an album? You're starting to bring personal opinions and popularity into it. Subjectivity once again.
Se7en:
To get any real data on this, we need to find a spotty young greenday fan, strap him to a chair, and subject him to some "better" punk rock.
After doing the same with different people and genres, we will see if thier tastes change at all. After all, these people could simply be so used to MTVs vanilla icecream that they never really knew other flavours existed.
Anyone have any spare siblings they dont mind donating to the cause of experimental indie-rock physics?
sp2:
Wrong, Khar. My point is that taste is really the only reason to dislike such stuff. Which is perfectly legitimate. I can say "yeah, I can't stand death metal. It's not that it's bad, but it's not my style." You can say "Trail of Dead are really not my style, I find them boring" but for the style that they play, they're absolutely amazing. I could just have easily cited a metal band for the same purposes, except I am not an expert in metal. There are, however, certainly metal bands which are absolutely perfect within their genre and completely uncritiquable outside of "yeah, that's just not my taste" (which is, incidentally, the exact reason I don't like them).
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