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Objectivity in Music
Mikendher:
if everything is relative, then isn't that statement relative also? how do you know that it is true? for that matter, why be rational?
sp2:
If we're going to get into existential/epistemological debates...
I think, therefore I am. That doesn't necessitate the existence of you. Therefore, my thoughts and perceptions are the only absolute in the universe, so my opinions must necessarily be correct.
You have had your butt handed to you care of Descartes. Enjoy the rest of your day.
Garcin:
SP2, you've engaged in a solipsism so complete and unconditional, I can only assume that your post was satirical.
Obviously, we can posit that a song has objective worth based on a series of mutually agreed upon, independently verifiable criteria. Claiming that subjective estimations of worth are incontrovertible is an uninteresting semantical game -- sure noone can tell you whether or not you enjoyed a song, but are you really willing to stick to the claim that because you enjoy a song, the song is good? Are you unwilling to posit that there may be bad songs you enjoy?
Interestingly, there is a fairly well-known phenomenon in medical circles, where dementia victims find their personal tastes strangely altered. In a number of instances, pre-dementia classical music fanciers find themselves unable to listen and enjoy classical music -- but newly drawn to top 40 pop like Britney Spears. I'm not making this up.
So if you don't like the nomenclature of "objective worth", then do what I do: ask yourself whether the music in question sounds like something one would enjoy pre-dementia or post-dementia.
IMHO? Mogwai: pre-dementia. Coldplay: post-dementia.
I'm just saying.
--Moiche
zekterellium:
moiche, you use big words that are scary for me sometimes, i can only assume the liqid on my clothing is sweat
Garcin:
--- Quote from: zekterellium ---moiche, you use big words that are scary for me sometimes, i can only assume the liqid on my clothing is sweat
--- End quote ---
I'm hoping you're right. I'd prefer not to contemplate the alternatives.
Re: Big words -- they're fun! Want to know the word for someone who uses a lot of big words? Sesquipedalian. I'm not making this shit up. I know, the irony is biting.
Actually, I'm, like, a professional word-smith. People hire me to fashion words out of raw phonemes. I always find it difficult to turn it off and on. :-).
--Moiche
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