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at what point does sound become music?

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KharBevNor:

--- Quote from: Robbo ---
When it does finally reach just beating your instruments around Injected Bleach style, that is noise. Doing it as part of a song, as section, experiemention is just music...but truely random smashing your guitar around crosses the line maybe.
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Lets start getting philosophical here.

Is it possible to beat something round totally tandomly? Won't your subconscious influence the sound created?

Robbo:

--- Quote from: Me And The Moon Car ---The answer lies in the only six-letter word in the English language containing only consonants.
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Crwths? Wait, damn Welsh uses w as a vowel as well. Otherwise I would have just said syzygy :P

Merkava:

--- Quote from: KharBevNor ---
--- Quote from: Robbo ---
When it does finally reach just beating your instruments around Injected Bleach style, that is noise. Doing it as part of a song, as section, experiemention is just music...but truely random smashing your guitar around crosses the line maybe.
--- End quote ---


Lets start getting philosophical here.

Is it possible to beat something round totally tandomly? Won't your subconscious influence the sound created?
--- End quote ---


I would think that, if you are going to play randomly, you are really telling yourself to play randomly. I feel there is always purpose in music, even if you just wing it. You still want to wing it and still are going for a "random" sound.

Robbo:

--- Quote from: Merkava ---
"You know, I can hold a high note for an eternity, but really, after a while, it's just sound; white noise. It's not the notes that make music, but the change of notes."
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If it's just the one note...it's just a sound maybe? Though there is music made using just the one note...though it's not just the flat use of one note. With shifts and changes (as much as you can get) such as Dreams of Dying Stars - Aeon E which is over an hour long. Thought it should be pointed out it was an experimention in minialist ambient/drone music.

KharBevNor:
What I base this on though is my own personal experiments with music: feeding pictures of pure white noise into beep-map generators, setting randomly generated drum-loops and mixer settings, etc. total, mathmetically generated randomness seems to come out sounding oddly musical about 90% of the time.

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