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harry potter and the half blood prince - WITH SPOILERS

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est:
ok, so i am about two thirds of the way through the Order of the Phoenix and it seems to me that Snape *is* a good guy.  from what i have heard of the ending of the Half-blood Prince i am joining the camp of the people saying that Dumbledore made Snape go through with the deed because it came down to either Snape or him dying (because of the unbreakable promise) and he felt that having Snape as a spy on the inside, close to Voldemort was more important to the Order than his own life.

in short, Dumbledore is hardcore.

LeeZion:
Yes, in retrospect it's likely that Dumbledore is "hardcore" that way.

By the way, I wanted to point out a cute difference between the U.S. and U.K. versions of the Harry Potter books. In the first book, Chapter 2, U.K. version, Harry has to use Sellotape to hold his glasses together. Since no American child would know what Sellotape is (a popular brand in Britain), the publishers changed it to the American equivalent — "Scotch tape."

So when it comes to the second book, there's a joke that every British school child would get, but would go completely over the heads of most American readers. When Ron Weasley's wand breaks, what does he use to repair it? Spellotape!

Lee Zion.

Garcin:
A few opinions and why I think them (I agree with almost everything on the thread so far though):

Dumbledore is definitely dead, but will still have some limited presence
-- He indisputably got hit by Aveda Kedavra which has no defense (with the possible exception of someone giving their life for you);
-- The immobilis spell he cast on Harry broke after he got hit, which Harry believes is because of his death;
-- His image appeared in a portrait in the headmaster's (now the headmistress') office, although he was sleeping.
-- As has been pointed out in other threads at much greater length, his death serves an obvious but inevitable thematic and plot purpose by forcing Harry toward adulthood and independence.
-- Dumbledore will almost definitely have an "Obi-Wan Kenobe" role from his portrait.
-- Recall that in Sorecerer's/Philosoper's Stone Dumbledore told Harry in the Mirror of Eriset scene that the dead are not gone but live within us.

Sirius Black is definitely dead
-- Noone tried to look for him after the arch, even people who would have had no interest in allowing him to play dead, pointing to the generally accepted lethality of the arch;
-- It would be completely contrary to everything we know about Sirius to believe that he would not have aided.

RAB is Regulus Alphard Black
-- I think that this point has been adequately made already.  Sirius had an uncle named Alphard, and those who have been to Rowling's personal site know that on the few occasions that she has accidentally used a suggestive name, she has apologized for the coincidence profusely;
-- It makes sense that Mundungus stole the real locket when he was looting 12 Grimmaud Dr.  since this would integrate the entire Mundungus-in-Azkhaban subplot.  Most likely Harry will start his search for the remaining Horcruxes by looking for RAB, and will thereby be led to spring Mundungus from Azkhaban.

Dumbledore wanted Snape to kill him
-- Dumbledore could not have possibly been pleading with Snape to spare him, since he knew about Snape's Unbreakable Oath, and knew that this would kill Snape.
-- Dumbledore pointedly states that Voldemorte is mistaken in believing that no fate is worse than death, in the scene where Voldemorte asks for the DADA job.
-- It works great thematically: Voldemorte is evil and sacrifices the lives of others to prolong his own life; Dumbledore is good and sacrifices his own life to prolong the lives of others.  How?  He allowed Snape to make his escape while keeping Harry and the others alive.  Isn't it funny that the only person Snape killed was Dumbledore, despite all the opporunities he had to kill Hermione the "mudblood" when she came to warn him about the death eaters?  He even cancels out the crucio curse that one of the other death-eater's casts on Harry.  A lot of people pointed out that Snape shows an almost inhuman dislike of Harry when they duel and Harry tries to cast levicorpus on him and calls him a coward.  I think that one of the things that makes the books interesting is that Snape clearly possesses a real loathing for Harry, primarily because of his father, but will still be redeemed.  I don't expect him to survive the next book though.

So nothing much new there.

Here's a question: who do you think the next DADA teacher will be.  I'm tempted to say that it will be Harry, because this will provide an obvious parallel to Voldemorte's rejection from the job.  But Harry clearly needs training if he is going to face the Death Eaters and Voldemorte.  What about Scrimgeour?

--Moiche

moley:
Here's something which nobody has yet pointed out - Dumbledore knew for many years about the curse which Voldemort put on the DADA jeorb, so why did Dumbledore give Snape the job? Did he know that Snape is really just an evil git, but this was the best way to get rid of him? Did Snape need an excuse to get out of the school without alerting Voldemort himself?

Aphi:
=giggles=

Sellotape, spellotape....

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