Topic: From Autumn to Ashes (Read 22409 times)

MyLordIsInfinite · « **on:** 19 Aug 2005, 11:42 »

You know I really don't care what anyone says to the contrary, From Autumn to Ashes is a great band and their name is awesome. THey have a little bit of everything to satisfy even the most nit-picky music snobs. Anyways I just wanted to say that cause I was going through the archives and came upon the strip where Faye and Marten were bashing them for their band name. Anyways later you indie peoples.

Kid Modernist · « **Reply #1 on:** 19 Aug 2005, 12:27 »

Nuh-uhhhhh.

Signum_Tenebrae · « **Reply #2 on:** 19 Aug 2005, 12:31 »

Not enough to satisfy me.

soap · « **Reply #3 on:** 19 Aug 2005, 13:00 »

i like some bands of that vein ...but not many, not familiar with their music but they're at leeds festival next week so maybe il give them a watch

heretic · « **Reply #4 on:** 19 Aug 2005, 13:06 »

i think they suck terribly. why start a thread about something if you don't really want to talk about it?

rive gauche · « **Reply #5 on:** 19 Aug 2005, 13:14 »

ha.. hahaha.. haahahahahahahahahahahaha..... ha.

kikanjuuneko · « **Reply #6 on:** 19 Aug 2005, 13:48 »

Haven't been good since 'Too Bad You're Beautiful', with the possible exception of 'The After Dinner Payback'.

rawrXskittles · « **Reply #7 on:** 19 Aug 2005, 14:21 »

I like FATA. They're a like Hawthorne Heights.

thrashbluegrass · « **Reply #8 on:** 19 Aug 2005, 14:47 »

Saw them for the first time Wed at the 9:30 Club in DC.

And, I must say, I was much tempted to punch their singing drummer repeatedly until he'd JUST STOP GODDAMN SINGING...

However, Rise Against came on shortly after, and did an amazing 3-song encore, so I was happy.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #9 on:** 19 Aug 2005, 15:43 »

Quote from: rawrXskittles

I like FATA. They're a like Hawthorne Heights.

For the life of me, I can't work out the logic of that.

rawrXskittles · « **Reply #10 on:** 19 Aug 2005, 15:56 »

Compare Ohio is for Lovers and Short Stories With Tragic Endings. Then you'll see.

Pushover · « **Reply #11 on:** 19 Aug 2005, 16:09 »

I'm not a very big fan of From Autumn To Ashes. The name is so... stupid. I'm still trying to associate "Autumn" and "Ashes," other than it just sounding interesting together. I'm not going to get into their music... it's okay, but definitely not a band I would buy a CD for.

trolley · « **Reply #12 on:** 19 Aug 2005, 16:48 »

Their only two good songs were Chloroform Perfume, and Autumn's Monologue. And that was because it was some decent music instead of all that crappy baseless screaming.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #13 on:** 19 Aug 2005, 16:54 »

Quote from: rawrXskittles

Compare Ohio is for Lovers and Short Stories With Tragic Endings. Then you'll see.

It's not the second half I was finding fault with

rawrXskittles · « **Reply #14 on:** 19 Aug 2005, 17:04 »

Oh. From Autumn To Ashes is nice. I like them. I dunno why...

Johnny C · « **Reply #15 on:** 19 Aug 2005, 17:18 »

No. Bad emo. Bad, bad emo.

rawrXskittles · « **Reply #16 on:** 19 Aug 2005, 17:22 »

No, I'm good. I'm good! *eyes fill with tears* Why am I bad? I want to be good! *breaks down and weeps* I want to be good! Why? Why am I bad??

KharBevNor · « **Reply #17 on:** 19 Aug 2005, 18:00 »

Because you are an accurate reflection of your musical taste.

Buuuuuuurn

rawrXskittles · « **Reply #18 on:** 19 Aug 2005, 19:34 »

HOLYCRAPI'MONFIRE! *rolls around*

Seriously though...FATA is good, like Hawthorne Heights, and Atreyu.

And Dashboard Confessional...

MyLordIsInfinite · « **Reply #19 on:** 19 Aug 2005, 19:35 »

Well yes they are like Hawthorne Heights, which I also like intensely. They are both of the informal genre "screamo" along with bands such as Thursday, Hopesfall, etc. which I like as well.

The drummer singing is integral guys, it adds to their little self-proclaimed "band with an indentity crisis"-ness. I think they are an excellent band. Plus their name is pretty freakin cool to me.

Atreyu freakin rocks guy, I have to agree with you there.

ForteBass · « **Reply #20 on:** 19 Aug 2005, 19:39 »

...
I... just... what the hell?

rawrXskittles · « **Reply #21 on:** 19 Aug 2005, 19:43 »

You just what the hell? Huh?

SPEAK SLOWLY AND CLEARLY INTO THE CACTUS *hold a small potted cactus up to Bass*

Kid Modernist · « **Reply #22 on:** 19 Aug 2005, 23:35 »

I like From Autumn to Ashes. I don't usually go for screamo or hardcore, but I dig them besides. Sounds good to me.

To RawrXSkittles: I'm the only one allowed to reference Deerhoof in a sig.

!

Johnny C · « **Reply #23 on:** 19 Aug 2005, 23:41 »

I would like to clarify: above, I was speaking to From Autumn To Ashes.

My Aim Is True · « **Reply #24 on:** 20 Aug 2005, 05:21 »

Quote from: MyLordIsInfinite

Well yes they are like Hawthorne Heights, which I also like intensely. They are both of the informal genre "screamo" along with bands such as Thursday, Hopesfall, etc. which I like as well.

The drummer singing is integral guys, it adds to their little self-proclaimed "band with an indentity crisis"-ness. I think they are an excellent band. Plus their name is pretty freakin cool to me.

Atreyu freakin rocks guy, I have to agree with you there.

wow, I don't even know where to start. I've learned to not let shit get me worked up, but really, seriously, I can't help pointing out that despite what Hot Topic and Alternative Press tell you, none of those bands are anywhere near screamo.

hint- if it has any cleanly sung parts, it's not screamo. if it sounds like it was actually recorded in a studio, it's probably not screamo.

Kai · « **Reply #25 on:** 20 Aug 2005, 06:01 »

Also: Hawthorne Heights is possibly one of the most agonizing bands I've ever had to listen to a song by. It was fucking horrible.

And reading Alternative Press gives the reader an effect very similar to genital herpes.

MyLordIsInfinite · « **Reply #26 on:** 20 Aug 2005, 13:21 »

Wtf is Alternative Press?

Dude your ideals of screamo are too close to hardcore death metal, screamo is supposed to have some clear vocals and then someone screaming their fucking lungs out, thats what its all about man.

trolley · « **Reply #27 on:** 20 Aug 2005, 13:36 »

Can someone explain why songs with people screaming in them are considered music? I honestly don't get how you can find something so obviously aurally(is that a word?) grating to be tuneful.

This goes for all shouty music.

Johnny C · « **Reply #28 on:** 20 Aug 2005, 13:37 »

Quote from: Kai

And reading Alternative Press gives the reader an effect very similar to genital herpes.

Except it comes with a nasty rash to boot.

Kai · « **Reply #29 on:** 20 Aug 2005, 14:07 »

Quote from: MyLordIsInfinite

Wtf is Alternative Press?

Dude your ideals of screamo are too close to hardcore death metal, screamo is supposed to have some clear vocals and then someone screaming their fucking lungs out, thats what its all about man.

Alternative Press is the worst magazine ever.

And mistaking screamo for death metal is not possible. ever. Screamo = screaming. Not the growling of death metal. Also, death metal actually doesn't suck shit. Unless it's Morbid Angel. fuck those guys.

Se7en · « **Reply #30 on:** 20 Aug 2005, 14:37 »

Eh? i thought hawthorne heights was american pop music?

kikanjuuneko · « **Reply #31 on:** 20 Aug 2005, 15:26 »

Quote from: MyLordIsInfinite

Dude your ideals of screamo are too close to hardcore death metal, screamo is supposed to have some clear vocals and then someone screaming their fucking lungs out, thats what its all about man.

How about no? Go buy some Orchid records, please. That's where screamo came from.

Kai · « **Reply #32 on:** 20 Aug 2005, 15:54 »

Quote from: Se7en

Eh? i thought hawthorne heights was american pop music?

Yeah. it's also really shitty, whiny, and has really bad lyrics.

SO CUT MY WRISTS AND BLACK MY EYES
SO I CAN FALL ASLEEP TONIGHT, OR DIE
BECAUSE U KILL ME
YOU KNOW YOU DO, U KILL ME WELL
YOU LIKE IT TO AND I CNA TELL

Infact, I declare that song the national anthem of myspace. Fucking myspace.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #33 on:** 20 Aug 2005, 20:31 »

Quote from: trolley

Can someone explain why songs with people screaming in them are considered music? I honestly don't get how you can find something so obviously aurally(is that a word?) grating to be tuneful.

This goes for all shouty music.

I think harsh vocals can be intensely beautiful. The emotional intensity that can be conveyed is incredible. For example, Burzum's 'Ea, Lord of the Deeps'...the lyrics are a fucking D&D monster book description with atocious grammar. In Ewigkeit's version, which has clean singing, Jim Fogarty actually has to almost mock the song to make it enjoyable, with pirate background vocals poking fun at the lyrics (Oooh! You're really scarin' me now! Aharr!) However, in the original, the words are simply not important. It is the sheer power and intensity of Varg's distant, unearthly screams, which communicate rage, despair, anguish and hatred to an extent that very few poets or lyricists could ever reach.

Tunefulness is of course a wildly subjective matter, and deserves it's own website, let alone post or thread.

sp2 · « **Reply #34 on:** 20 Aug 2005, 20:47 »

I'm still at a loss to figure out what screamo is. I've heard a lot of post-hardcore (ATDI, Blood Brothers, BearvsShark, etc) described as "screamo" and that's just bullshit.

ManlyMan · « **Reply #35 on:** 20 Aug 2005, 21:23 »

From what I gather, what people call "screamo" is pretty well today's emo with extra screaming and extra distorted instruments. Like Alexisonfire, FATA. Calling it screamo is wrong though. I think people hear the word, and figure its just the mix scream and emo...because the music is emo with extra screaming? I don't know. [/ramble]

I don't get why people call post hardcore screamo though. That one escapes me.

Harsh vocals are good, when used appropriately. A lot of people can't see the emotion in it though.

I like Hawthorne Heights, but I cannot stand their lyrics sometimes. Ohio has horrible lyrics. I don't like FATA. Bleh. They get kinda boring.

I tried to stay on topic.

sp2 · « **Reply #36 on:** 20 Aug 2005, 21:57 »

Quote from: ManlyMan

I don't get why people call post hardcore screamo though. That one escapes me.

Because they are idiots? I dunno, but there is little to no emo in the classic ATDI albums (mainly social/political commentary when you can pull apart the lyrics), Blood Brothers (mainly social critique as well as critique of certain types of individuals), or BearvsShark (critique of satisfaction with the suburban lifestyle, among other things). Trail of Dead, if they're post-hardcore, are sometimes a little emo-ey, but there's also a lot of social commentary in many of their songs as well. So yeah. Screamo is not equivalent to post-hardcore. People are stupid.

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Harsh vocals are good, when used appropriately. A lot of people can't see the emotion in it though.

Harsh vocals can be VERY effective. And not just for conveying anger. Examples abound, but I find a lot of screaming often can convey a particular feeling of desperation that is difficult to convey otherwise (there is a difference between quiet, controlled desperation a la My Bloody Valentine and screaming, chaotic desperation a la Jawbreaker, for example).

A lot of people are just put off by discord in general, which is why harsh vocals (like harsh guitars, bass, drums, or whatever) are often shunned by your law-abiding, tax-paying, puppy-dog-petting Coldplay fans. But fuck that shit. Life isn't always melodic and symphonic, and discordant rock (be it hardcore, discordant post-punk, post-hardcore, various kinds of metal, screamcore, or whatever) reflects that both lyrically and musically. And isn't that the point? Music is supposed to convey a feeling, emotion, or idea, and the idea that all is not well in the world is just as valid (if not more valid) as the idea that we should send Chris Martin more money.

thrashbluegrass · « **Reply #37 on:** 20 Aug 2005, 22:06 »

Quote from: sp2

Music is supposed to convey a feeling, emotion, or idea, and the idea that all is not well in the world is just as valid (if not more valid) as the idea that we should send Chris Martin more money.

If biology would permit me, I would bear your child for that statement alone.

sp2 · « **Reply #38 on:** 20 Aug 2005, 22:28 »

You just gained 20 cool points over the "omg coldplay is good stop bashing them" posse.

That puts you at....well, 1 cool point.

You've got to start somewhere, I guess.

Kid Modernist · « **Reply #39 on:** 20 Aug 2005, 22:35 »

Quote from: sp2

You just gained 20 cool points over the "omg coldplay is good stop bashing them" posse.

That puts you at....well, 1 cool point.

You've got to start somewhere, I guess.

I wonder how far you would get if you couldn't type Coldplay or Chris Martin.

sp2 · « **Reply #40 on:** 20 Aug 2005, 22:46 »

Last time I checked, Interpol were still just as uninspired and insipid.

Kid Modernist · « **Reply #41 on:** 20 Aug 2005, 22:51 »

heh, touché.

As far as screaming being a good way to convey an emotion, I'm with you. Screaming is a great way to show how much feeling you have behind words.
And so on, and so on, and scooby doobie doobie

sp2 · « **Reply #42 on:** 20 Aug 2005, 23:04 »

Not just amount. I mean, I wouldn't say that, say, At the Drive In have more feeling than, say, The Arcade Fire. But there's a sense of urgency and chaos and searing unbearable pain in Napoleon Solo that you're not going to find in anything by the Arcade Fire. That's all.

Different feelings come with different vocal styles. I hope that makes sense.

Johnny C · « **Reply #43 on:** 21 Aug 2005, 00:21 »

sp2: Ease off on the Coldplay/Interpol/whatever-band-you-think-is-uninspired-today-bashing, hey? We don't necessarily like whatever band you're talking about, but that doesn't mean you have to cross the line and call anything shitty; nobody's opinion is going to change if you say "YOUR MUSIC SUCKS," they'll just be irritated with you. Keep it civil. Yes, it's possible. No, don't argue! Don't you click that "quote" button!

I'LL TURN THIS CAR AROUND, MISTER

kikanjuuneko · « **Reply #44 on:** 21 Aug 2005, 00:38 »

Quote from: sp2

I dunno, but there is little to no emo in the classic ATDI albums (mainly social/political commentary when you can pull apart the lyrics), Blood Brothers (mainly social critique as well as critique of certain types of individuals), or BearvsShark (critique of satisfaction with the suburban lifestyle, among other things). Trail of Dead, if they're post-hardcore, are sometimes a little emo-ey, but there's also a lot of social commentary in many of their songs as well.

Actually, a lot of early emo and screamo bands commented on social issues. A lot. The idea that emo consists entirely of post-pubescent men whining about breakups wasn't even established until Dashboard Confessional came along and fucked everything up for people.

Patatat · « **Reply #45 on:** 21 Aug 2005, 00:55 »

Quote from: rawrXskittles

Compare Ohio is for Lovers and Short Stories With Tragic Endings. Then you'll see.

Urge to kill growing.

Okay, thats it rant.

I had to seriously, stop reading the rest of the thread because of this. I just needed to instantly yell at you pretty much. How the hell can you compare the crapfest that is Hawthorne Heights to old From Autumn To Ashes. Hawthorne Heights has little musical talent, while FATA has a decent ammount of it in that band.

Short Stories With Tragic Endings is pretty much all screaming, while Ohio is for Lovers is just bad singing.

Seriously, go back to drawing anarchy signs on your notebook and get the eff out of here.

My Aim Is True · « **Reply #46 on:** 21 Aug 2005, 07:56 »

Quote from: kikanjuuneko

Quote from: sp2
I dunno, but there is little to no emo in the classic ATDI albums (mainly social/political commentary when you can pull apart the lyrics), Blood Brothers (mainly social critique as well as critique of certain types of individuals), or BearvsShark (critique of satisfaction with the suburban lifestyle, among other things). Trail of Dead, if they're post-hardcore, are sometimes a little emo-ey, but there's also a lot of social commentary in many of their songs as well.

Actually, a lot of early emo and screamo bands commented on social issues. A lot. The idea that emo consists entirely of post-pubescent men whining about breakups wasn't even established until Dashboard Confessional came along and fucked everything up for people.

I've always found it interesting in the oringal emo/screamo movement, a major theme was the blending of the personal and the political, which is also a major theme of the more scholarly works of 70's era feminism. Now, the hot topic emo crowd has turned into something almost the opposite of feminism- self pity and occasionally mild misogyny under the guise of heartache.

SpacemanSpiff · « **Reply #47 on:** 21 Aug 2005, 08:35 »

Quote from: Kai

Yeah. it's also really shitty, whiny, and has really bad lyrics.

SO CUT MY WRISTS AND BLACK MY EYES
SO I CAN FALL ASLEEP TONIGHT, OR DIE
BECAUSE U KILL ME
YOU KNOW YOU DO, U KILL ME WELL
YOU LIKE IT TO AND I CNA TELL

Infact, I declare that song the national anthem of myspace. Fucking myspace.

Right. I admit it, I have no idea what kind of music From Autumn to Ashes, Hawthorne Heights and those other bands mentioned make. I've never listened to their stuff (we don't get that TV no more).
Given the description here, I probably won't like it, but that's not the point.

My point is: Kai, please, please, for the love of God and all that is holy, tell me that you made up these lyrics right here on the spot and that you can't actually get a record deal if you have lyrics as bad as that. Please.

kikanjuuneko · « **Reply #48 on:** 21 Aug 2005, 09:35 »

Quote from: My Aim Is True

I've always found it interesting in the oringal emo/screamo movement, a major theme was the blending of the personal and the political, which is also a major theme of the more scholarly works of 70's era feminism. Now, the hot topic emo crowd has turned into something almost the opposite of feminism- self pity and occasionally mild misogyny under the guise of heartache.

And then it bled over into hardcore, which is the reason why half the songs I write these days are somehow about female liberation. Sigh.

@Patatat: Don't be a dick.

sp2 · « **Reply #49 on:** 21 Aug 2005, 10:29 »

Quote from: kikanjuuneko

Actually, a lot of early emo and screamo bands commented on social issues. A lot. The idea that emo consists entirely of post-pubescent men whining about breakups wasn't even established until Dashboard Confessional came along and fucked everything up for people.

There are obviously two different waves of emo. There's true emo, that was bred out of the hardcore movement (there are a lot of good bands in there). When most people talk about emo, they're not thinking about that movement. They're talking about the commercialized MTV shit. That's another story entirely.

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Author Topic: From Autumn to Ashes (Read 22409 times)

MyLordIsInfinite

Kid Modernist

Signum_Tenebrae

soap

heretic

rive gauche

kikanjuuneko

thrashbluegrass

Pushover

trolley

MyLordIsInfinite

Kid Modernist

MyLordIsInfinite

trolley

Se7en

kikanjuuneko

sp2

ManlyMan

sp2

thrashbluegrass

sp2

Kid Modernist

sp2

Kid Modernist

sp2

kikanjuuneko

Patatat

SpacemanSpiff

kikanjuuneko

sp2