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[MyLordIsInfinite]

Jeez, we have a lot of musical snobbery here.

Screamo, or any genre of music, should be what the LISTENER makes of it, not some asshole on the internet bashing on the listener's views of good music. If someone wants to call post-hardcore screamo, then fucking let them guys, don't bash on them because they might be a little misguided, just let them be because they are happy with how they feel about music.

[SpacemanSpiff]

I beg to differ with that statement for a couple of reasons. First:

Screamo, or any genre of music, should be what the LISTENER makes of it, not some asshole on the internet bashing on the listener's views of good music. If someone wants to call post-hardcore screamo, then fucking let them guys, don't bash on them because they might be a little misguided,

No, for you see, the idea of the genre is to allow everyone to classify music sort of universally. So you can say "band A is genre B" and you have a faint idea of what they might sound like.
Now, this concept as such is already flawed as soon as someone tries to instantiate it but there's no need to make it even worse by claiming that genres are completely down to personal interpretation. There's already a lot of room there (more room than we need, thanks to the room we have discussions like this), no need to make even more.
"To me, the A*Teens are Death Metal." ... No.

just let them be because they are happy with how they feel about music.

Right, since when does feeling good about the music you like and assigning genre tags correlate? "I sure would love that band, but they're hardcore, so I can't like them"? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

[ManlyMan]

I don't think anyone is trying to be a real ass in here. Genres and labels were created to organize all types of things (mainly entertainment).

Calling an action movie a drama because it has 5 minutes of dramatic scenes isn't very accurate. Especially if 1 hour and 30 minutes of that movie was shoot out scenes.

There are obviously some crossovers, when bands change or when they're just plain strange, and move from one genre to the next in each song. Generally though, labels and genres were created for some organization. Letting people think whatever they want about genres creates confusion....like how almost nobody knows what punk, emo, or screamo is.

Genres and labels are also very good for describing music. That's what I think, anyway. You're free to think what you want.



"You're not punk, and I'm telling everyone". Heh.

[sp2]

My point is that the term "emo" is often used as an insult.  When someone calls something that clearly isn't emo "emo" or an emo-derivative and means it as an insult, they're a moron.  Especially if they're a supposed death-metal fan who likes Slipknot.  That makes them a moron.  A MORON.

Basically, if you don't know what genre something is, throwing a name at it randomly as an insult is stupid.  Especially if you're a self-described music fan who doesn't know shit about music, but are trying to be "cooler" than someone who actually does.

Also:

I don't think anyone is trying to be a real ass in here.

Wrong.

[trolley]

Most of the music of the past five years or so that has been slapped into the emo genre is just lazy classifying. Pretty much all "nu-emo" bands could be classified better than it is at the moment, and would probably be alot more useful. For instance, whether you like or loathe them, an accoustic driven band like dashboard confessional is hardly in the same genre as a shouty loud band such as From Autumn To Ashes.

[Kai]

My point is: Kai, please, please, for the love of God and all that is holy, tell me that you made up these lyrics right here on the spot and that you can't actually get a record deal if you have lyrics as bad as that. Please.

I'd love to, but I actually went and looked up those lyrics. I just put it in caps to make it look fancy. But the lyrics really are that fucking bad.

[Johnny C]

Wrong.

Yeah, why don't you just ask the mods to lock this topic, if you're gonna do it that way.

EDIT: I mean, I am; this topic deserves lockage, if it's just going to be a bunch of people being glibly snobbish about music.

[MyLordIsInfinite]

I started this thread to talk about FATA, one of my favorite bands, and ended up having to read people totally bash on them, its some bullshit. I think if you guys want to bash bands, do it in a thread that is entitled I HATE SO AND SO. Fucking bitches.

[KharBevNor]

discussion

n 1: an extended communication (often interactive) dealing with some particular topic; 2: an exchange of views on some topic.

People saying what they damn well think about a band = discussion.
People only saying they like a band = circle jerk.

[Kid Modernist]

I started this thread to talk about FATA, one of my favorite bands, and ended up having to read people totally bash on them, its some bullshit. I think if you guys want to bash bands, do it in a thread that is entitled I HATE SO AND SO. Fucking bitches.

I read:

HAUGHAUGLAUGUAHL

I'm pro-locking for once.

[sp2]

A)

Yeah, why don't you just ask the mods to lock this topic, if you're gonna do it that way.

Wrong.  I simply denied that no one was trying to be an asshole.  This could have been referring to the fact that we were being music snobs, or the fact that this thread even exists in the first place.  Seriously, if I posted on here with colored text and everything how I thought that people should stop bashing on Good Charlotte because really they're talented and I like them and that's my right to like them, so stop being music snobs wah! I would be inciting a flame war.  Now, I think Good Charlotte are shit.  I think they're an affront to my opinions on what punk should be about and what the punk scene should attempt to be.  But even if I liked them, posting something like that is BEGGING for flame replies.  Same with this thread.  There is no respect here for FATA.  They suck.  Want to discuss them?  This is not the place.

B)

I started this thread to talk about FATA, one of my favorite bands, and ended up having to read people totally bash on them, its some bullshit.

Hey, at least we're talking about your band instead of rambling about something else, like Skyclad or Siobhan or Constantines or Dismemberment Plan or whatever.  Be glad this has (mostly) stayed on topic.

C)

People have differing opinions. Also, ending the post with "fucking bitches" is not a good idea. What with it, y'know, making you come across as a cock and all.

Man, and here I thought liking From Autumn to Ashes made him come across as a cock.  Thanks for setting me straight.

[sp2]

Okay, a serious post before this gets locked...

The original post in this thread suggested that any music snob should like From Autumn to Ashes because they put in so many different things to satisfy everyone.  This concept is offensive.  This is called "pandering to the audience" among other things.  It is not restricted to FATA,  it extends to many, many other bands, the obvious example for me being Coldplay, but really,  there are countless examples in the indie scene (Interpol, for example, but there are many others), the mainstream scene (most of the mainstream scene, really), the goth scene, the punk scene, and just about any other scene.  

Many of us do not listen to music for a certain sound or a certain musical element.  I listen to everything from the Pixies to Frontline Assembly to The Mars Volta to Arcade Fire to Dead Kennedys to My Bloody Valentine to...you get the picture.  What I do look for in music is sincerity and an attempt to do your own thing.  I don't WANT to hear someone cynically hashing together elements from several genres in the attempt to attract a crossover audience.  That not only doesn't interest me, but that offends me as both a producer and a consumer of music.  I am offended as a musician because, although I am nowhere nearly as talented as these mainstream musicians, I put more effort into making my music my own than these guys do, and music isn't even my career.  I am offended as a music fan because such behavior shows that these musicians pretty much only view me as a target market or some other bullshit marketing term that turns me into a statistic.

FATA do not try anything new.  They do not take chances.  They do not make music for the sake of the music.  And that is offensive and bashworthy.

[Johnny C]

People only saying they like a band = circle jerk.

But see, there's the thing. It doesn't have to be a circle jerk, as long as we keep it civil. Yes, it's possible; I go to high school every day and go home without punching anyone, yet I have discussions about music all the time, and not just with my friends.

posting something like that is BEGGING for flame replies

No, honestly, it's begging for a lock. It's begging for us not to even dignify it with a response, not for us to get into a flame war.

[sp2]

I go to high school every day and go home without punching anyone

Man, I wish I went to your high school.  Back when I was in high school it was less the punchings and more the knifings.

[Johnny C]

Drunks of my school's level aren't co-ordinated enough to shiv. FACT.

Anyways, look! Forum rules!

Don't be a dick. If someone creates a thread about x genre of music that is not an invitation for fans of y genre to jump all over x thread because they don't like it, or because x isn't y. Further, don't then go and attempt to make everything about genre y.

[sp2]

Jesus tittyfucking Christ in a jello mold, interpreting Mnementh's guidelines is like trying to interprete the fucking constitution.

Key word in that passage is GENRE.  No one is saying "omg you suck stupid emo fag lolololol."  We're saying that From Autumn to Ashes is shitty and is a good example of bad emo.

Last time I checked, "shit" wasn't a genre.

And if it is, I'm going to stop flushing mine down the toilet and start marketing it at Hot Topic.

[kevin.]

on a positive note, orchid are great.

so is playing saetia really fucking loud with my window wide open and my elderly neighbour like 10 feet away tending her flowerbed. I know she loves it!

[trolley]

Jesus tittyfucking Christ in a jello mold, interpreting Mnementh's guidelines is like trying to interprete the fucking constitution.

Most other people manage it without coming off as an asshat.

[Mnementh]

The U. S. Constitution, for example, is a "living document." Obviously the founding fathers never considered abortion, Miranda rights, prayer in schools or countless other things. It's up to the Supreme Court to look at the constitution and see where these modern problems fit within that framework.

Jesus tittyfucking Christ in a jello mold, interpreting Mnementh's guidelines is like trying to interprete the fucking constitution.

I'm going to take that as a compliment.  I can't address every single argument that might come up, if I could do that, why bother having a forum.

I'm not sure what is going on in here.  It's pretty dumb though.  I'm not locking it on account of any one person, almost all of you had a hand in it's demise.  The level of contrarianism, and the eagerness to jump all over a dissenting opinion as "wrong" astounds me.