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« on: 25 Aug 2005, 14:11 »

Here's the thing.

Coldplay suck.

Oh wait, that's not the thing. Well, it's part of the thing. Not the entire thing, though.

Here's the thing.

A lot of people determine what they like and what they should like by reading magazines and listening to radio shows that tell them what they should like, or by checking out sales charts. They buy a best-selling album by a band and immediately proclaim it the most awesome thing that ever existed. If you are talking about political punk, someone will inevitably bring up American Idiot, even though Green Day really have no place in the political punk scene. Anti-Flag? Yes. Dead Kennedys? Yes. Bad Religion? Yes. (International) Noise Conspiracy? Certainly yes. Green Day? Yeah, no, sorry. Try again. That's the problem. Many people assume that they can read an article in Rolling Stone or Spin and suddenly be musically literate. But you'll never be a punk from reading mainstream commercialized literature. If you want to understand the movement, and you want to know what bands are out there and are worthwhile, you need to read independent 'zines. You need to get involved with local organizations. You need to support your local scene (there was a time when every other kid had a "Support Your Local Punk Band" sticker on their skateboard, but most of them couldn't name a local punk band if they tried). I'm using punk as an example, but really any movement has the same problems.

Then you have these megagroups, like Coldplay, which are really nothing more than concerted marketing attempts. Some of these groups, like U2, write songs with the intention of selling the rights off for use in commercials. Others make a career out of being completely inoffensive and thus write shitty soulless play-by-numbers elevator music, like Coldplay does. Others try to co-opt aspects of music that is supposed to have a counter-mainstream message (punk or death metal, for example) into music that has a mainstream message but retains the sonic appeal of the counter-mainstream music (so then, Good Charlotte or Christian Death Metal). Then you have bands that are perfectly decent, but they make a career out of being perpetually decent, rather than taking chances and actually doing something meaningful even at risk of losing some fans (especially at risk of losing some fans). A good example would be Foo Fighters, who initially did some interesting stuff, but then proceeded to just do the same thing, over and over, without taking any chances. You also have bands that change their music regularly just to follow current trends rather than because the artists are maturing musically. An example would be Green Day's album American Idiot, which was an obvious and shameless attempt to cash in on the anti-Bush sentiment in 2004, and which offered little insight into the political situation, unlike some of the more serious political punk and industrial bands who also put out albums that year.

The simple fact is, much of the popular music out there is crap. That's not particularly shocking, because most of the music out there, period, is shit. Go to an open mic night and you'll hear some of the most abysmal shit ever played on an acoustic guitar, and most of those guys don't even have fans (thus disproving the Hipster theory of music quality, or whatever it's called). The problem is, people tend to swallow crap if it's served to them as a 5 course meal. It takes no effort to find music by Coldplay, it takes no effort to hear about them, and it takes no effort to spread the word to your friends, so that's why people listen to them.

Additionally, buying Coldplay CDs and otherwise supporting Coldplay does nothing for your local music scene. Buying Coldplay albums won't make more bands come to your town. Buying Coldplay albums won't support local talent that helps enrich local rock bars, coffee shops, music shops, and so forth. Buying Coldplay albums won't establish an environment in your town that will support you if you decide to put together a band of your own and play small shows around town.

If you want good bands out there, either in the mainstream scene, the indie scene, or the local scene, you need to support the local scene, because without vibrant local scenes, good bands don't make it to the national/international indie scene or the national/international mainstream scene. Supporting the local scene means buying local music. Going to local shows, and paying the $5 cover to see 6 bands play. Talking about local bands. Buying your music from that beat-up used record store, even if they cost a dollar or two more than Best Buy, because they carry flyers for local shows and albums for local bands. Telling other people about local bands when they're touring nationally, because even if they get abundant press in your own town, people in other cities probably know jack shit about them, and word of mouth is much more effective than a 2 sentence blurb in the paper at the bottom of the page in small print.

The truth of the matter is, people WILL listen to shitty mainstream no matter what anyone says or does. I'll take potshots at Coldplay and other insipid and uninspired acts because I think it's necessary, but there will still be plenty of people who buy into these bands because they're there. However, it does take an effort to support the local scene and to find and support decent local bands, so I'm trying to convince the folks here that it is worthwhile (which I really do believe is true) and that you can find good local bands in many cities (which is also true) which are often just as good as (if not significantly better than) the crap you get fed by the music media, be it Rolling Stone or Paste or whatever national music mag you're reading.

A good local scene also doesn't just mean good local bands.  It means more national/internationally touring bands will stop through your town.  It means that nationally/internationally touring bands will give free in-store performances at local CD stores prior to concerts.  It means that you'll be seeing nationally/internationally touring bands at more intimate music venues rather than at informal and uncomfortable arenas.  It means that there will be better instrument stores, with more diverse selection of both new and used instruments as well as amps and other equipment with staff and other customers who know what they're talking about.  It means more divers selection of music at local CD stores.  It means local CD stores which allow you to listen to entire albums before purchasing them, so you don't spend your money on something that you end up not liking.  It means there will be a vibrant local scene that will support you if you choose to go into music yourself.  It means good dance clubs with live DJs.  It means alternative college radio which is well-run and worth listening to.  It means more all-ages shows, for those of you who are under 21.

I'm not just saying "suppport your local scene because it means you'll like bands no one else likes."  This isn't it at all.  That approach is counterproductive because it results in you trying to keep local bands from breaking into the national scene.  Support your local scene, because a vibrant local scene will take care of you, which is something national/international bands can't do.
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« Reply #1 on: 25 Aug 2005, 14:50 »

I get that you don't like Coldplay. Seriously. I think everybody gets that now. You can calm down.

People will listen to what they like as much as they listen to what mainstream media tells them to. That's the crux of it... you said yourself that most of the new music out there is shit, both commercial and local, which kind of points out the flaw in your argument... people aren't going to subject themselves to shit music over and over for the sake of being able to say 'yeah, I totally go to the shows of all the unsigned bands around here', not unless they're really trying to prove something. I'm currently seriously pimping out a band from near where I live because they're awesome and because they look destined to do big things...

However... most of the bands from Blackpool are trash, either screamo stuff or what most people would call real punk, which is basically coming off as cheaper, shittier versions of The Sex Pistols. I don't want to listen to that... if people not going to see shitty bands play means the death of a local scene then fine, at the end of the day. A music scene can only live and die on the strength of the bands within it... if nobody comes along to shake it up, then perhaps it's best that area stops trying to produce music.

Some of the biggest bands I got into, Oasis, Ocean Colour Scene, Stereophonics, and, yes, Coldplay, predominently came out of places where there wasn't a thriving music scene... but these people had drive, ambition and, yeah, they probably got lucky, and now they're there, playing the stadiums and festivals and whatnot... and the place they came from? There's a thriving scene there now, because people say 'hey, well, they made it big, so can I'.

I'm losing focus, but then to be honest I wasn't sure what your point was. A local scene full of shit bands will continue to be a local scene full of shit bands if people continue to pay money to see them, maybe there'll be more shit bands... there won't be a drive to be better because hell, you're filling whatever club it is you play at, and every so often an A & R guy comes to take a look at some of the bands.

Also... it depends on your area. Preston - a city near me - has a fairly kicking local scene but it sure as hell doesn't lead to the perks you mentioned. More shows with local bands, more all age events etc, but that's seriously about it.

Not bitching here, and I'm probably not even responding properly to your argument, but like I said, I'm not sure what your point is.

You also seem to forget that, you know, some people actually like the music they listen to, some people don't care how mainstream a band is. I bought the first Coldplay album and I loved it, it's still one of my most listened to CDs. The second album, I skipped it... the mainstream press started gushing all over the band but their sound had changed too much, I didn't like it. The third album is growing on me and I've downloaded it, I might buy it... not because X magazine says I should, or because everybody else is listening to it, but because (shock) I actually like it.
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« Reply #2 on: 25 Aug 2005, 15:25 »

I just don't like the local scene here simply because, like max, it's pretty much a plethora of shitty punk and hardcore bands. Nothing really new (with the exception of some bands that died like, 10 years ago and 3 old guys writng songs about Lawnmowers) . But yeah.
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but the music sucks because the keyboards don't have the cold/mechanical sound they had but a wannabe techno sound that it's pathetic for Rammstein standars.

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« Reply #3 on: 25 Aug 2005, 15:28 »

My point is that you can probably find good local music that you like, and you don't have to listen to it "just because you have to."  One of my favorite songs (and it's been one of my favorite songs for several years) is by a local band.  I'm not talking about a shitty high school band or the kind of "band" that plays one man acoustic shows at open-mics.  I'm talking about real talent that is just as good (if not better) musically as nationally-recognized bands.  I'm not saying "go and see shitty bands over and over."  I'm saying that you should find the good local bands and support them.  I mean, look, my town is full of shitty wannabe Phish knockoff jam bands.  Do I support them?  No.  Do I participate in that scene?  No.  But I do like avant rock and punk, and so I listen to and support bands like The Swayback (avant gothcore), DeVotchka (avant folk-alternative), Bright Channel (avant hardcore), Matson Jones (avant), Tin:Tin (progressive), and so forth.   It requires sifting through the shit, but there are good bands in most sizeable cities, and most good bands DID come from towns with a vibrant scene (you mention Coldplay and Oasis, but really, both those bands are more marketing campaigns than actual quality musicianship).

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Also... it depends on your area. Preston - a city near me - has a fairly kicking local scene but it sure as hell doesn't lead to the perks you mentioned. More shows with local bands, more all age events etc, but that's seriously about it.


You're not going to get all the perks, but some are better than none.  I've lived in towns where the only place to buy music is best buy and barnes and nobles, and trust me, a music scene where 90% of the local bands suck on stage is better than a music scene where 100% of the local bands don't leave the garage, because 10% of them will be doing decent stuff on stage.  You don't have to support all the bands...let the shitty ones die out, sure.  But support the good ones.

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if nobody comes along to shake it up, then perhaps it's best that area stops trying to produce music


There normally are bands that DO shake it up, but if you completely abandon your local scene because you'd prefer to listen to Coldplay, then there isn't anyone to support the good bands.  It's like voting.  If you don't get involved, you have no right to complain when other people's say takes precedence over your own.

Finally, if you don't get actively involved in maintaining the existence of your local venues, they will disappear.  And not just the little local ones.  When your local venues start dying out, people in general make concerts a much smaller part of their lifestyle, and even mainstream venues stop selling out shows.  When this happens, many bands stop coming through town because they'd prefer to play venues where they know they're going to be selling out the venue, and the venue owners lose money.  Eventually, even the mainstream venues go out of business, and then you don't even have anywhere to see mainstream shows.  I've seen it happen in the town I grew up in.  You'd be surprised how few good bands actually stop through in Pittsburgh for how large a city it is.

I'll bet good money that there's at least one band worth listening to in your local scene.  In fact, I don't even need to bet, you've stated so yourself.  And I bet there are other bands around your local scene that are just as good, but that you haven't heard (yet).  And it may take some looking to find those bands, but that's what I mean when I say that it takes work.
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« Reply #4 on: 25 Aug 2005, 15:32 »

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Here's the thing.

Coldplay suck.

Oh wait, that's not the thing. Well, it's part of the thing. Not the entire thing, though.


Hahahahaah

You already win. Now, to read the thread!

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I think you're pretty much correct.Problem is, 90% of my towns local bands are terrible. I only go too two band's shows regularly since all the other ones are boring Metal bands playing Slayer covers.

It's weird, since I dont go to enough local gigs but then expect people to come to my bands shows.

Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.....They'd better buy our godamn demo once we've finished it though...
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« Reply #5 on: 25 Aug 2005, 15:52 »

I personally blame Kansas' boring scene on the Getup Kids. fuck those guys.
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but the music sucks because the keyboards don't have the cold/mechanical sound they had but a wannabe techno sound that it's pathetic for Rammstein standars.

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« Reply #6 on: 25 Aug 2005, 16:01 »

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Problem is, 90% of my towns local bands are terrible.


That's pretty much the case everywhere.  It's even the case in the mainstream, although mainstream shit bands are just corporate shills instead of being unlistenable (For the most part.  I think Coldplay are unlistenable, but there are certainly folks here who would disagree.*).  It's just harder to find that 10% of the bands that aren't terrible..it takes more work.  But the potential benefits for supporting the good local bands are much higher than the benefits for supporting a horrible mainstream band.

*Then again, if you don't think Coldplay are unlistenable, you're wrong
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« Reply #7 on: 25 Aug 2005, 16:08 »

I know all about the importance of being local.

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Morning-room at the Manor House.

[Gwendolen and Cecily are at the window, looking out into the garden.]

Gwendolen. The fact that they did not follow us at once into the house, as any one else would have done, seems to me to show that they have some sense of shame left.

Cecily. They have been eating muffins. That looks like repentance.

Gwendolen. [After a pause.] They don’t seem to notice us at all. Couldn’t you cough?

Cecily. But I haven’t got a cough.

Gwendolen. They’re looking at us. What effrontery!

Cecily. They’re approaching. That’s very forward of them.

Gwendolen. Let us preserve a dignified silence.

Cecily. Certainly. It’s the only thing to do now. [Enter Jack followed by Algernon. They whistle some dreadful popular air from a British Opera.]

Gwendolen. This dignified silence seems to produce an unpleasant effect.

Cecily. A most distasteful one.

Gwendolen. But we will not be the first to speak.

Cecily. Certainly not.

Gwendolen. Mr. Worthing, I have something very particular to ask you. Much depends on your reply.

Cecily. Gwendolen, your common sense is invaluable. Mr. Moncrieff, kindly answer me the following question. Why did you pretend to be local?

Algernon. In order that I might have an opportunity of meeting you.

Cecily. [To Gwendolen.] That certainly seems a satisfactory explanation, does it not?

Gwendolen. Yes, dear, if you can believe him.

Cecily. I don’t. But that does not affect the wonderful beauty of his answer.

Gwendolen. True. In matters of grave importance, style, not sincerity is the vital thing. Mr. Worthing, what explanation can you offer to me for pretending to be local? Was it in order that you might have an opportunity of coming up to town to see me as often as possible?

Jack. Can you doubt it, Miss Fairfax?

Gwendolen. I have the gravest doubts upon the subject. But I intend to crush them. This is not the moment for German scepticism. [Moving to Cecily.] Their explanations appear to be quite satisfactory, especially Mr. Worthing’s. That seems to me to have the stamp of truth upon it.


No wait...
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« Reply #8 on: 25 Aug 2005, 16:15 »

There is not ascene on the isle of wight, and this is not juat fucking moaning, there really is NOTHIUGN. Just fucking SHIT emo fuckers, who cAN GO suck a chuff for all I care, really. I wouldn't su[pport half of them if they paid me in anal sex. The only decent bands don't even have any fuckiung fans here because no-one oin this seagulls arsehole of a blighted isle has anything approcahing taste, decency, reason or fucking talent, except the good bands. Overlord for instance. We had like one pretty fucking good band in the seventies, Beggars Farm,  but they split up in the eighties and half of thm are a motorhead tribuyte band now, but they hardly play any gigs on the island itself because, as I said NO TASTE. We need more fcking folk metal down here because folk metal is just far afar adfar fucking better than anything you boring little wankpots listen to.
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« Reply #9 on: 25 Aug 2005, 16:22 »

Seriously fucking good points made here.  The town I use to live in was small-ish, 18 thousand.  It still had a pretty vibrant little scene and I just found out it still has a couple bands amongst all the kids trying to sound like Fat Mike that are decent considering an almost lack of culture in the town.
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« Reply #10 on: 25 Aug 2005, 16:35 »

my hometown is tiny.

But is see wehere you're coming from. The 10% of good are bascially, Seaglow, Fat Fish and my band ( ;) )
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« Reply #11 on: 25 Aug 2005, 17:32 »

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Ok, so, I live in Los Angeles. Besides maybe New York, Seattle, or London, I wouldn't be surprised if we have the largest local music scene in the English-speaking world. There are literally tens of thousands of bands in the greater L.A. area who play music geared towards the ears of highschool and college students (and the occasional trendy adult or ahead-of-his-time middle schooler).

Although there are a HUGE number of bands in my city's scene, there are also several huge problems amongst them. The first is that almost every local band here is plagued with a disease known as Authenticity Immunodeficiency Virus. In a common occurance, the virus spreads like so:

((1)) A fairly original (though usually a rip-off of a more popular band and quite genre-stereotypical) plays a couple shows and garners a decent fanbase.

((2))  Stupid, sheep-like scene-cocks (a.k.a. 'average teenagers' or 'said crappy band's fanbase') see the [local] success of such a band, and decide to form a band that plays pretty much exactly the same music.

((3)) Because teenagers are too stupid to realize that this is essentially the same band, the new band gains a decent fanbase as well.

((4)) The plague continues to spread...

The bands themselves though aren't the real problem (even though they do really suck). The real problem is the goddamn sheep-brainwashed teenagers that I am greatly ashamed to call my peers. These kids continue to listen to the absolute shit at the local level (as well as listening to crap on the national and international [rarely {close-minded Americans...}] level), thus helping continuation of the spread of AIV.

Also, these kids are utterly unwilling to expand their horizons. I'd say I've tried to introduce new music to 95% of my friends and semi-friends. And they don't like what I play them, usually regardless of what it is. Why? Because it's just me telling them about this or that band. It's not a group, it's not a scene, it's just one person's musical preference. And the sheep don't follow break-aways from the herd.

The biggest problem though is the inability of the scene to hold up its own weight. New bands have a lot of trouble getting into the scene (unless they have friends already in it), and it's hard enough to start a new (and good) band in a city where everyone listens to absolute shite. Therefore, the scene rarely changes, and new bands are kept at the fringes playing free shows in fucking parking lots and getting them and their one-digit of fans (a.k.a. girlfriends and family members) kicked out by the coppers.

In closing, I don't think I've ever gone to a local show and seen a single band I liked. In one of the biggest music scenes in the world. Fuck the scene.

PS. I say the best way to go is to find bands that tour[ed] on a national/international level, and have some degree of success, but not a very large amount. These bands tend to have some sort of actual talent, songwriting capability, are fairly accessible, and tend not to be total corporate monkey-slaves. Or just listen to jazz.
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« Reply #12 on: 25 Aug 2005, 17:57 »

I live just outside Stirling. There is no local scene here I'm screaming for a King Tuts or a Barfly be thankful for what you have.
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« Reply #13 on: 25 Aug 2005, 18:11 »

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Additionally, buying Coldplay CDs and otherwise supporting Coldplay does nothing for your local music scene. Buying Coldplay albums won't make more bands come to your town. Buying Coldplay albums won't support local talent that helps enrich local rock bars, coffee shops, music shops, and so forth. Buying Coldplay albums won't establish an environment in your town that will support you if you decide to put together a band of your own and play small shows around town.



Buying mainstream does not help local, obviously.  Buying a few here and there does not hurt it either when you support the local too and what about the lesser known but not local?  I am not going to sacrifice my musical taste to help out people because they are in my town.  I like them, or I don't and yes if they are local I get to see them more but that is just a side benefit.  If you look for your music, you will be buying the same ratio amount of non local music as you would mainstream.  Your town is just one of a hella lot so of course most of your music should not be local and in fact not that much at all or you are NOT looking around enough and pretty much have your head up your butt.  Also I don't have money just enough for non local and when a local show happens just go *shrug* sorry all tapped out.  Yes I agree about people not looking for music but when you put in the left out factor of lesser known, non local, the point of mentioning mainstream in regards to local music seems far less relevant.  Yes you kind of mention lesser known bands in a way but really have no focus on it... and the theory of supporting the local so that they will become more known like people said, many live in a city with just about crap for bands and just think logically, chances are there are many more deserving bands elsewhere.  Sure the bigger the town the more likely you'll have more than a couple good local bands but I don't have time to go to every local show just to hear what they sound like, but I do know a few good ones who I see and buy stuff from so what is enough to not be offensive to you?  Yes again it is nicer with local since you can see them more often but the real argument here should be support the unknown bands wherever the hell they are.  There are so many you can find online in a million different places that are as at the bottom as any local band.  Supporting the local scene can only go so far and can have only so many good bands before it takes you weeks or months to come across another good local band but the good unknown bands out there are endless.  Sure it may be harder to support them since you probably can't see them play and maybe they don't have a cd out but I know plenty have some crappy demo out if just a CD-R or even free music and you can spread word about that too.  I just think if we're going to get into a big thing about supporting the those who need and deserve it, you have to have things in perspective and have the whole picture in mind.
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« Reply #14 on: 25 Aug 2005, 18:37 »

It's not all black and white.  I don't really have a problem with you buying Coldplay albums.  But I do think that a lot of music fans should at least try to put some effort into looking for and supporting the good local bands.  If you can only find one local band that you really like, fine.  Support them.  Go to their shows.  Buy their albums.  Pimp them out to people who live outside your town.

I don't just listen to local bands, and I don't just attend local shows.  I don't just buy local albums (although I do buy from local stores as opposed to chains).  To say "limit yourself to local" is stupid.  But it isn't stupid to at least familiarize yourself with the local scene and find bands in that scene that are worthwhile and listen to them.  Or, hell, even just get coffee at a local shop that hosts a weekly open stage instead of Starbucks.
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« Reply #15 on: 25 Aug 2005, 19:48 »

I never said it was all black and white (and I never said anything about limiting to local bands, though when I spoke of local in regards to your argument it was just that it seems unknown bands in general is the real issue and the local thing is just a part of it (yes at the bottom of the chain) but I didn't think unknown bands in general were focused on much or at all in the argument.  I generally agree with your main argument though.
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« Reply #16 on: 25 Aug 2005, 21:51 »

Hey, I've got this thing where I listen to what my ears like!

Amazing new concept!
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« Reply #17 on: 25 Aug 2005, 21:53 »

I feel fortanate that Portland has a plethera of good music. Not only do we have such lesser known treasures as The high violets, Helio Sequence, viva voce, and Menomena (I notice they're mentioned in Jeph's "recomended listening" section btw), but also such nationally respected acts as The Decemberists. Heck, we even get transplants here - Sleater Kinney AND the Shins both moved here from different cities.
Of course, maybe all this good music is because we did our time in the 90's with Everclear, lol.
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« Reply #18 on: 25 Aug 2005, 23:00 »

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I never said it was all black and white (and I never said anything about limiting to local bands, though when I spoke of local in regards to your argument it was just that it seems unknown bands in general is the real issue and the local thing is just a part of it (yes at the bottom of the chain) but I didn't think unknown bands in general were focused on much or at all in the argument.  I generally agree with your main argument though.


There's a difference between unknown and local.  I think it is good to support unknown bands because that means they'll break through to the mainstream, and their success is good for the national music scene, and everyone everywhere.  However, supporting specifically local acts and the local music scene in general (such as local record and guitar stores that are involved with venues and such) is also important.  

Supporting the indie rock scene in general ensures that there will be good music to listen to in the future.  

Supporting the local music scene ensures that there will be good music events in your town.

Both are important, but people tend to overlook their local bands because the sources they get their musical recommendations from either don't listen to local music or are not local themselves (e.g. Pitchfork).
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« Reply #19 on: 26 Aug 2005, 01:04 »

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Hey, I've got this thing where I listen to what my ears like!

Amazing new concept!


I'll drink to that!
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« Reply #20 on: 26 Aug 2005, 02:25 »

Well the town I live nearby, Grindsted, has no scene as well, so really there is nothing to support. There a few college bands but they only play covers(for example the ghostbuster theme), they are just background noise for people to drink their brains out. We have one fairly big band around here called Neighbours, and they are the musical equivalent of the australian soap opera by the same name. In other words abysmal. I admit I haven't really investigated if there was some small scene in nearby towns, but I am sure that it would only be bad metal and/or hardcore screamo. We have only one venue, and that's the combined theater/cinema, but they extremely rarely have shows. I went to a show with a indie band called Figurines in Billund(some 14 kilometres from Grindsted), which was great, but they weren't anywhere near local and it was a one in a million thing.
It sucks but that's the way it is :(
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« Reply #21 on: 26 Aug 2005, 04:00 »

Then maybe it's up to YOU to turn that around, no? :)
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« Reply #22 on: 26 Aug 2005, 06:20 »

I used to be quite into the local scene around theses parts, (which i think, is local to maxusy3 too, from his post)

I was in a band (crappy, mix of political and hillarious punk/grunge[blink 182 meets Nirvana and Bad Religion?])

We'd do the shows, see the other local bands, play shows with them,  etc etc

there were a few decent(ish) bands out there..  

then my band fell apart, got kicked outta collage, a few failed attempts later, and i've forgotten most of teh guitar parts i knew, and jam for my own pleasure. but even one of my best friends, the vocalist of ourold band, has turned to being an emo-screamo metal type person, because that's all people want to play, he doens't LIKE doing it, but he will just to do what he loves doing, making music (noise?)

besides that, i think the Blackpool area has the greatest number of Lead and Bass players ever.. no drummers, no rytham, no vocalists, no keyboards or synths (don't look at me that way!) Just a lead guitarist, bassist and a computer playing drum loops,

I still stay in contact with people i know in the "scene" tho. just incase someone arrives who has a little more ambition and original ideas than the 19 or so screamo bands that currently live in or around blackpool and their inexhaustable army of 14 year old emo fans who plague my once wonderfull local rock venue (ok, ONLY rock venue, not wonderful by any means....)


oh.. and yeah.. coldplay DO suck...
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« Reply #23 on: 26 Aug 2005, 06:28 »

Everest: it would be like trying to swallow the biblical deluge :|
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« Reply #24 on: 26 Aug 2005, 07:25 »

When I lived "back home" I used to go see lots of bands, initally it was because the boyfriend at the time was in a band, that has attained notariety and quite a big fanbase, actually playing with the misfits next week :)

Due to the boyfriend having more cash than me I got into shed loads of gigs mainly free, when I go home if I do make it to a gig and someone I know is playing/doing the sound etc, its like coming home to family. Its great!

I really miss the atmosphere. Where I am now, (and the fiance-who likes metal not punk) means I haven't really gotten involved in the local scene, it makes me sad to think about it, I miss the mid week gigs with like 20 people floating about the dodgy old Front Page. :)
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« Reply #25 on: 26 Aug 2005, 07:48 »

DC has a fairly good scene, I'd say. I need to get more in-depth into it, though. Most of the local bands I discover are already broken up without me knowing (The Plan, for one). :P

Once my parents allow me to venture into DC, I should be set.

And, sp2, you're becoming a gimmick with this anti-Coldplay thing. Stop it. We know you hate it. No one cares.
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« Reply #26 on: 27 Aug 2005, 08:18 »

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I never said it was all black and white (and I never said anything about limiting to local bands, though when I spoke of local in regards to your argument it was just that it seems unknown bands in general is the real issue and the local thing is just a part of it (yes at the bottom of the chain) but I didn't think unknown bands in general were focused on much or at all in the argument.  I generally agree with your main argument though.


There's a difference between unknown and local.  I think it is good to support unknown bands because that means they'll break through to the mainstream, and their success is good for the national music scene, and everyone everywhere.  However, supporting specifically local acts and the local music scene in general (such as local record and guitar stores that are involved with venues and such) is also important.  

Supporting the indie rock scene in general ensures that there will be good music to listen to in the future.  

Supporting the local music scene ensures that there will be good music events in your town.

Both are important, but people tend to overlook their local bands because the sources they get their musical recommendations from either don't listen to local music or are not local themselves (e.g. Pitchfork).


I know there is a difference, never said there wasn't one, but my point was that you did not mention the other much at all.  Also it would take a hell of a lot of work to make the kind of differences you mentioned but if people want all the benefits bad enough then they would follow your advice, or something basically like it.  The problem is things don't always work so well and too many people don't care enough, which they shouldn't have to.  *shrugs*
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« Reply #27 on: 27 Aug 2005, 10:06 »

I am my local scene.
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« Reply #28 on: 27 Aug 2005, 17:58 »

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I know there is a difference, never said there wasn't one, but my point was that you did not mention the other much at all.


BECAUSE THE ENTIRE INDIE SCENE LOVES THE SHIT OUT OF CLAP YOUR HANDS, SAY YEAH AND IT WOULD BE PREACHING TO THE CHOIR TO SAY LISTEN TO THEIR NEW RECORD.  The only time I'm going to mention the obvious is when I say Coldplay sucks, and that's solely to piss off Coldplay fans.  And for comedic value.

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Also it would take a hell of a lot of work to make the kind of differences you mentioned but if people want all the benefits bad enough then they would follow your advice, or something basically like it.  The problem is things don't always work so well and too many people don't care enough, which they shouldn't have to.  *shrugs*


Yes.  It takes work.  That is exactly what I'm saying!  Yes!  It takes work from a lot of people!  That is exactly why I'm saying it!  No, people shouldn't have to care, that's why I'm not holding a gun to your head and saying "BUY LOCAL OR ELSE THE REVOLUTION WILL HAVE YOU PURGED."

When you listen to an indie band, for example, Constantines, you're supporting someone else's scene.  Think about that for a minute.  You are supporting the existence of someone else's musicians, someone else's venues, someone else's guitar stores,  someone else's local labels, someone else's CD stores,  someone else's local music culture.  Yes, you get to listen to really fucking awesome music.  No argument there.  But you're not supporting bands in your own town that are ALSO making really awesome music, and whose success could result in major benefits for you, too.  I'm not saying you shouldn't listen to Constantines (they are awesome, and I love them to pieces) but you should also listen to and support the good local bands in your town as well.

If your town doesn't care enough to support the local music scene, that's your prerogative, but don't then bitch that there's nothing to do and no good concerts playing locally.
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« Reply #29 on: 27 Aug 2005, 18:19 »

My local scene is ass. Ass. That said, sp2's point is a good one - if you find a local band you like, shout it from the rooftops. Spread the word, recommend them to friends, etc. But since this is probably a no-brainer, I'm not sure why we need this thread, other than to bask in the glow of sp2's anti-Coldplay humor.

Everyone on earth: We love Coldplay!
sp2: Coldplay sucks.

[Thunderous applause.]
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« Reply #30 on: 27 Aug 2005, 18:30 »

It does glow like a warm fireplace on a cold winter night, don't it?
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« Reply #31 on: 27 Aug 2005, 19:07 »

Thing is though, Sp2, this only actually works if you actually like indie music, rather than vascillating between being indifferent to it or wishing all the bands would be spontaneously raped by elephants and their recordings cast into the mouths of hungry volcanos. The music I like doesn't even have fans where I live. it scarcely has fans in the whole south of England. Some of it doesn't have fans in the whole of England. My 'scene' is in Trondheim,and nothing will change that.

And as nothing will, I get to spit and curse about the unfairness of life and my hatred of my fellow man forever!

win. fucking. win.
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« Reply #32 on: 27 Aug 2005, 19:45 »

I live in the Live Music Capital of the World.

There's some good local bands here. Spoon, Explosions in the Sky, etc.
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« Reply #33 on: 27 Aug 2005, 22:06 »

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Hey, I've got this thing where I listen to what my ears like!

Amazing new concept!


Wait, does this mean that sp2's ramblings aren't the Bible after all?
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« Reply #34 on: 27 Aug 2005, 22:45 »

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The music I like doesn't even have fans where I live. it scarcely has fans in the whole south of England. Some of it doesn't have fans in the whole of England


Wait, your music has fans?
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« Reply #35 on: 27 Aug 2005, 22:54 »

All too few :[
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« Reply #36 on: 28 Aug 2005, 01:08 »

Sp2, not to start a fight, but you already have stated the obvious in this thread before, saying pretty much, supporting mainstream does not help local.  Just a reminder as I mentioned it already.
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« Reply #37 on: 28 Aug 2005, 09:41 »

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Sp2, not to start a fight, but you already have stated the obvious in this thread before, saying pretty much, supporting mainstream does not help local.  Just a reminder as I mentioned it already.


When you set up an argument, you start out with things that everyone knows to be true, then you take logical steps from there.  That is different from stating the obvious for the sake of stating the obvious.

Everyone and their mother loves independant bands.  Saying "like independant bands" here is pointless.  Plus, I could care less about whether the bands I like in general are independant or if they're signed to a big label.  However, taking the effort to support local music is something most indie kids don't do...they're more concerned with the "next big thing before it gets big."  If you want to talk about the importance of supporting independant music, fine, start your own thread.  But there is little connection between local music and independant music.
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« Reply #38 on: 28 Aug 2005, 11:50 »

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I know there is a difference, never said there wasn't one, but my point was that you did not mention the other much at all.


The only time I'm going to mention the obvious is when I say Coldplay sucks, and that's solely to piss off Coldplay fans.  And for comedic value.



Comedic value?

You know that thing where you tell a joke that's funny the first few times but you tell it multiple times in rapid succession and it ends up not being funny? I wonder why that came to mind.
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« Reply #39 on: 28 Aug 2005, 14:33 »

And, y'know, you don't really have to tell us repeatedly that you dislike the band Coldplay when you have that particular declaration in your location field... it's quite a profound example of redundancy, actually
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« Reply #40 on: 28 Aug 2005, 15:37 »

Hell, by now, us telling you it's redundant, is redundant in itself! Guess I shouldn't've posted this, then... x_O
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« Reply #41 on: 28 Aug 2005, 15:43 »

OH NOES TEH IRONY!
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« Reply #42 on: 28 Aug 2005, 16:23 »

Seems like the thread's gotten a bit derailed...

Anyways, what it seemed like was being said up there was not to go out and see bands you don't like, but to find the bands you do around your scene.  Not to the exclusion of all other music.

Hell, you could probably like Coldplay and still supposrt the bands you like in your scene.

And if there isn't a scene, you could always be like MilkmanDan.
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« Reply #43 on: 28 Aug 2005, 17:23 »

Living in a college town (Ann Arbor, University of Michigan), we have a fair amount of decent local acts, but like every other scene, there is a plethora of shit.  If you have the patience to dig through the utter fuck-tards, there are some real gems.

And for some shameless local-band promotion, you should all check out http://www.ghostly.com/1.0/artists/midwestproduct/index.shtml">Midwest Product.  They make electronic music mixed with live instruments, and one of the members has background in audio engineering, resulting in possibly the most orgasmic crisp clear drum sound I have ever heard.  Also, they are cool dudes.  The guy who writes most of their music works for Food Gatherers, a volunteer orginization, and when volunteering there I met him, and he is a really nice, genuine guy.

Also, Coldplay can be catchy, but I'd have to say they suck.  And whoever their lead singer is sounds like a cheap version of Thom Yorke.
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« Reply #44 on: 28 Aug 2005, 17:42 »

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Anyways, what it seemed like was being said up there was not to go out and see bands you don't like, but to find the bands you do around your scene.  Not to the exclusion of all other music.


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« Reply #45 on: 28 Aug 2005, 18:27 »

i am all smiles and high-fives with sp2 on this one.  firstly because supporting your local scene doesn't mean to do so at the sake of your eardrums/sanity, it just means that if you're bored on a friday night and a local band is playing then maybe you could go check them out.  if you like 'em then stay, go to more shows.  tell people about them.  if not, leave.  simple!  

secondly, Coldplay suck.  all the people saying "hey, that's not funny anymore, blah blah, whatever" are missing the point.  it was never funny.  it is not a joke.  they just suck.  it is a statement that deserves to be repeated until people get it.
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« Reply #46 on: 28 Aug 2005, 19:12 »

But...

Chris Martin is just so dreeeeamy!

No, but really, sp2 has a valid point. My area's local scene is in the process of dilapidation, it seems to me, and I came to this conclusion about a year ago when I went with my brother to see Sonic Youth at a local venue. The venue is small, but well-known, and we expected to see a decent crowd lined up for tickets when we arrived. Half an hour before the show, there were probably less than a dozen people there and my brother and I were scratching our heads as to why.

I mean, c'mon. It's Sonic Youth.

I still get angry, though, when I read that Broken Social Scene (or -insert awesome band's name here-) aren't coming to San Diego, but they're stopping at L.A.

I hate L.A. I fucking hate L.A.
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« Reply #47 on: 28 Aug 2005, 19:20 »

Um, actually, yes it was a joke.

"for comedic value" was kind of a tip-off.

I'm not going to debate on that anymore, but it annoys me, seeing as how Coldplay is the LEAST of the problems with mainstream and the attacks against them are constantly being bombarded for no reason. Nobody important cares. So stop. I'm not a huge fan of Coldplay, but this is just annoying. I hate U2, but you don't see me going around saying "Bono sux hur hur lol nd his glases sux0rz".  

Anyway, I'm all for supporting your local scene. I am SO not attacking that mentality. I LOVE the idea. So let's just leave this whole Coldplay thing behind us now.
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« Reply #48 on: 28 Aug 2005, 19:39 »

Well, where I live, the only local scene I know of is a single group, most of whom are friends of mine, but sadly, I've never seen them perform, nor have I heard any of their music. My location is far too rural for me to expect to be in the midst of a local music scene anyway.

As for the anti-Coldplay issue, I highly suspect that the only reason sp2 carries on with it is that he was most likely amused when Maui & I got our feathers ruffled over it the first several times he brought it up. Sure, he says he does it here to piss "people" off, but really, who else has fired back?

And behind that, this is slightly less probable, but I'm also suspicious that the reason sp2 started dissing Coldplay with such dedication was that he discovered I like them quite a bit. I think I made sp2's bad list back when I brazenly suggested that he not express his opinions as if they were solid fact, which he has never really stopped doing. He never did completely understand my suggestion, I don't think, and this is why you're seeing what he now has in his location field.

I'm done here.
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« Reply #49 on: 29 Aug 2005, 04:17 »

i work for a community radio station in my city where there is a minimum quota of 20%local. i havent played any local music for over 4 months because i refuse to play the terrible crap that is put out. i really wish that there could be a law enacted to ban all amateur acoustic guitar music.

you arent going to fool anyone by talking instead of signing!

also; i dont value local music when better things are going to be produced somewhere else. its just not sensical!
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