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Spirit Stereo

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« on: 13 Sep 2005, 06:28 »

clap your hands say yeah
art brut
lcd soundsystem
pavement.

yeah.
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« Reply #1 on: 13 Sep 2005, 09:08 »

Agree with Pavement and LCD Soundsystem. Not sure about Art Brut though, plenty of people hate them to contrast those who love them.

Anthony & the Johnsons
Devendra Banhart
Joanna Newsom
Sufjan Stevens
My Bloody Valentine (good, but not as great as everyone makes out)
Sleater-Kinney

I assume we're taking U2, Coldplay etc for granted?
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« Reply #2 on: 13 Sep 2005, 09:59 »

Pavement (who'daguessedit?)
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« Reply #3 on: 13 Sep 2005, 10:02 »

Slint
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« Reply #4 on: 13 Sep 2005, 10:23 »

Bloc Party
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« Reply #5 on: 13 Sep 2005, 11:06 »

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Sufjan Stevens
My Bloody Valentine (good, but not as great as everyone makes out)


sorry but youre just wrong.
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« Reply #6 on: 13 Sep 2005, 11:07 »

Sonic Youth
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« Reply #7 on: 13 Sep 2005, 12:03 »

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I assume we're taking U2, Coldplay etc for granted?


Well sh'yeah, think of what forum this is...
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« Reply #8 on: 13 Sep 2005, 12:03 »

Radiohead. No contest.

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Exactly how and why Radiohead's Kid A has come to stand as the definitive artistic statement for rock consumers born after 1975 is almost ridiculously difficult to discern. People believed (and continue to believe) in the metaphysical heft of Kid A: in its aesthetic worth, its innovation, its meaning. In 2000, Kid A felt true and inscrutable; five years later, it somehow still does: From its chilling opening organ figure to its closing silence, Kid A is enormous-- a huge, sweeping testament to Radiohead's ever-swelling worldview.


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« Reply #9 on: 13 Sep 2005, 12:12 »

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I assume we're taking U2, Coldplay etc for granted?


Pretty much. U2 just sort of goes without saying.

I know I'm gonna take some flak for this, but seriously, Broken Social Scene just plain annoys me. With italics, no less.
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« Reply #10 on: 13 Sep 2005, 12:15 »

I would say that none of the bands you all have mentioned so far are underrated, at all. Underrated would be not being able to get a record deal and releasing  '7s on your own little label, which nobody bought in spite of the fact that you kicked Beatles and Led Zeppelin's asses simultaneously.
That is underrated, if these are anything, they are overrated and yes Radiohead is overrated, even though I like them.
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« Reply #11 on: 13 Sep 2005, 12:27 »

Praeserpium Machinarum: read the title to the thread again.  I think you're a bit confused.
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« Reply #12 on: 13 Sep 2005, 13:15 »

All of you are completely wrong, except for khar. Also, this thread is excessively negative and can not possibly contribute anything to anything at all. It is like "Lets make a thread where we complain!"
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« Reply #13 on: 13 Sep 2005, 13:24 »

I'd agree with you SeanBatemen if I didn't want to say The Mars Volta so badly.
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« Reply #14 on: 13 Sep 2005, 13:27 »

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All of you are completely wrong, except for khar. Also, this thread is excessively negative and can not possibly contribute anything to anything at all. It is like "Lets make a thread where we complain!"


It's what human beings do best.
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« Reply #15 on: 13 Sep 2005, 14:20 »

Interpol
The Arcade Fire

Also, your mom.
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« Reply #16 on: 13 Sep 2005, 14:57 »

Interpol, definitely. They're not innovative, they're boring.
I have yet to motivate myself to listen to The Arcade Fire, every time I'm almost there I read a description of their music and think "Oh God, no" and then I listen to something else instead.
White Stripes
Mando Diao
The Hives

And mentioning Slint in here should be punishable by death by explosive hemorrhoids.
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« Reply #17 on: 13 Sep 2005, 15:18 »

The problem with Arcade Fire is that people ritually confuse what they are and what they aren't.

They are good at writing catchy pop indie rock.

They are good at putting on a live show.

They are NOT the saviors of rock and roll.

They are not incapable of writing a bad song (their EP was a whole ballsload of bad songs back to back to back).

Win Butler is not Jesus.
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« Reply #18 on: 13 Sep 2005, 15:32 »

This thread is one hundred percent unneccessary. I mean, if it maybe discussed music press' role in overrating bands, or why bands get overrated or something, then I could see it having a purpose. As it is, it's just "hurr I don't like [band] as much as other people do."
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« Reply #19 on: 13 Sep 2005, 16:17 »

and obviously our opinions aren't nearly as important as those of the music press.

There is validity in this thread, although I agree that there needs to be more discussion about why a band is overrated as opposed to just a laundry list of bands we think are overrated.

Therefore:

The Arcade Fire: A friend of mine recommended Funeral to me before the indie press started their fapping circle jerk bukkake all over Win Butler's face, and I still didn't see the appeal.  I mean, the album is okay, but on the whole it's not like they really did anything spectacular, and there are a number of tracks that they could've done without, particularly "Haiti" and "In The Backseat" (Basically, I don't think Regine should be allowed to do lead vocals.  It's the sybillant S.  really bothers me).

Slint: I'm basing this completely on Spiderland.  For a six song album, I just wasn't really that impressed.  It felt more like hardcore than anything else.  While the movement that they spawned created some excellent music, it doesn't necessarily follow that the progenitors produced the same level of quality.  They did provide a new way of thinking, and for that they deserve credit, but with so many better bands following the math-rock (shudder at the term) or post-rock (bigger shudder) formula I think Slint, with their whispered, pretentious storytelling followed by loud, heavy segments, isn't really worth exploring except as an interesting footnote to a bigger, better musical movement.
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« Reply #20 on: 13 Sep 2005, 17:06 »

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and obviously our opinions aren't nearly as important as those of the music press.

Not a direct quote; I was merely alluding to the fact that a lot of being overrated is due to music journalism making it as such, and that otherwise people liking albums more than you do is called "opinion."
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« Reply #21 on: 13 Sep 2005, 17:39 »

Radiohead..../Radiohead/? OVERRATED?


Hang on....yes....I think you've just killed me.


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« Reply #22 on: 13 Sep 2005, 17:41 »

Yeah, I agree that Radiohead is overrated. They are worth a listening to, but they aren't the best band ever that they are claimed to be.

For me, their only worthwhile albums are OK Computer and Kid A, the rest are rather forgetable.
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« Reply #23 on: 13 Sep 2005, 17:44 »

You have broken my poor, part-indie heart with your hurtful words.


Oh, and I am likely going to be pelted with rocks for saying this, but I just don't see what all the fuss is about Our Lady Peace.


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« Reply #24 on: 13 Sep 2005, 19:20 »

Led Zepplin. Great band, but overrated.
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« Reply #25 on: 13 Sep 2005, 19:23 »

Well, you're right on the money at least, Aphi...
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« Reply #26 on: 13 Sep 2005, 19:37 »

I agree that Antony and the Johnsons don't quite merit the rave reviews they've gotten, at least based on the sort of patchy I am a Bird Now, but "Hope There's Someone" is a fucking beautiful song. Totally enough to justify any praise directed at it.

Your mileage may vary, of course; I just wanted to try and mitigate the overwhelming negativity in this thread.
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« Reply #27 on: 13 Sep 2005, 20:33 »

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Yeah, I agree that Radiohead is overrated. They're also really boring and boring.


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but the music sucks because the keyboards don't have the cold/mechanical sound they had but a wannabe techno sound that it's pathetic for Rammstein standars.

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« Reply #28 on: 13 Sep 2005, 20:51 »

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Also, your mom.


do you mean 'say hi to your mom' or are you just making a bad joke?
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« Reply #29 on: 13 Sep 2005, 21:45 »

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ah bugger, just goes to show how much attention I was paying ;)
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« Reply #30 on: 13 Sep 2005, 22:53 »

Really, can any band mentioned in this thread top Radiohead? I doubt it.
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« Reply #31 on: 13 Sep 2005, 23:08 »

interpol

magazine-wise, the killers (meaning all the magazines need to stop SUCKING BRANDON FLOWERS PEE PEE.) (YES I AM TALKING TO YOU, SPIN MAG)
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« Reply #32 on: 13 Sep 2005, 23:28 »

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clap your hands say yeah
art brut
lcd soundsystem
pavement.

yeah.


This is a troll, or else OP genuinely believes that anything that receives a high rating from Pitchfork (and benefits from the inevitable hoopla) is overrated.  If you don't believe me check the startling correlation between Pitchfork scores and the four bands OP cited -- the first time in fact that I have seen a correlation between 8.5+ Pitchfork scores and anything else.

Anyway, I'll give OP the benefit of the doubt and call this a troll.  Doesn't mean it can't be a valuable thread.  For instance, I'm still boggling over how, when any post-rock band is always subject to a spectrum of professional reviews and indie fanbase reactions, it makes sense to call them "overrated".  Special contempt is reserved for calling Clap Your Hands Say Yeah overrated before their official album release (which yes, I know, began and was delayed . . . but still).  Overrated by whom?  Most of the indie crowd hasn't even heard of them yet!
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« Reply #33 on: 14 Sep 2005, 00:18 »

Hasn't been released yet?  Silly foreigners, they've got it in my local record store here in Melbourne.  Same goes for Illinois with the original cover art, for that matter.
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« Reply #34 on: 14 Sep 2005, 00:23 »

In this thread, there seems to be a direct correlation between media saturation and being overrated, which is why it is very easy for a band like Clap Your Hands Say Yeah to be seen as overrated. Even though their first album was just released today in North America (and won't reach my hands for another month or two since I have to order it), everyone has already heard so much junk about them from so many outlets.

And we have these damn hipster genes that force us to stray from the norms to establish our individuality. Which is why there is an impossibly high standard for Clap Your Hands Say Yeah to live up to.

And I live in Canada, and Superman is on my copy of Illinois. But that's just 'cause I'm that good.
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« Reply #35 on: 14 Sep 2005, 01:12 »

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Hasn't been released yet?  Silly foreigners, they've got it in my local record store here in Melbourne.  Same goes for Illinois with the original cover art, for that matter.


Well you're right and I was wrong, the official release date was June 28, 2005, but because the original CD run was tiny, most people are getting it now.   Or something like that.  My point is that to date, most North American fans have only heard them from downloads & at concerts.

My beef here is that basically the criterion for overrated is whether a group has been feted on 10-20 websites in the three months since 99% of indie fans had even heard of their name.  That's complete shit.  Sure Pitchfork can say beautiful things about CYHSY representing for indie because they're in the process of making it self-released and on the basis of word-of-mouth, but that's all secondary to the quality of the music -- that is to say the groovy feeling that it instills inside of you over the span of multiple listenings.

So the CD comes out, maybe they sell 60k albums if they're lucky (invisible from recording industry standards where gold is 500k, platinum is 1mm, and diamond is 10mm) and guaranteed noone will be talking about them a year from now as they work toward their next album.  Will they still be overrated then?

EDIT: Fuck, I just realized that Johnny C said everything I wanted to say but in one sentence.  I'm going to go shoot myself now.
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« Reply #36 on: 14 Sep 2005, 07:31 »

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clap your hands say yeah
art brut
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pavement.

yeah.


This is a troll, or else OP genuinely believes that anything that receives a high rating from Pitchfork (and benefits from the inevitable hoopla) is overrated.  If you don't believe me check the startling correlation between Pitchfork scores and the four bands OP cited -- the first time in fact that I have seen a correlation between 8.5+ Pitchfork scores and anything else.

Anyway, I'll give OP the benefit of the doubt and call this a troll.  Doesn't mean it can't be a valuable thread.  For instance, I'm still boggling over how, when any post-rock band is always subject to a spectrum of professional reviews and indie fanbase reactions, it makes sense to call them "overrated".  Special contempt is reserved for calling Clap Your Hands Say Yeah overrated before their official album release (which yes, I know, began and was delayed . . . but still).  Overrated by whom?  Most of the indie crowd hasn't even heard of them yet!


I'm definitely not a troll.  And I love plenty of bands Pitchfork loves (see Decemberists, Sufjan, Tortoise etc.).  And CYHSY is gigantic among board-posting people.  And the album is definitely out.

And what the hell is OP?
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« Reply #37 on: 14 Sep 2005, 07:37 »

Oh and not just among board-posting people, who am I kidding?  Most people are leaving after CYHSY during their sold-out tour with the National.  For real.

And they are overrated, at least in my mind, because the singer can't sing, the music is largely boring (except for a couple tracks) and they still get glowing reviews (see Metacritic).
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« Reply #38 on: 14 Sep 2005, 07:43 »

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Agree with Pavement and LCD Soundsystem. Not sure about Art Brut though, plenty of people hate them to contrast those who love them.

Anthony & the Johnsons
Devendra Banhart
Joanna Newsom
Sufjan Stevens
My Bloody Valentine (good, but not as great as everyone makes out)
Sleater-Kinney

I assume we're taking U2, Coldplay etc for granted?


i agree with my bloody valentine. but the other artists i donīt think they are very 'overrated'. like "oh whoa the best guy ever!!" i think they have the promotion they deserve.
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« Reply #39 on: 14 Sep 2005, 07:43 »

In defence of the arcade fire, funeral is pretty much everything it's hyped up to be.  I really didn't see the appeal at first, but then my iPod broke and the only thing I had to listen to in my car for a straight week was funeral.

Now I can't imagine passing that album by, it's bloody fucking wonderful!

Maybe some of you need to give it more time?

Oh, and Pavement is certainly overrated.  Good call with that one.
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« Reply #40 on: 14 Sep 2005, 09:00 »

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Also, your mom.


do you mean 'say hi to your mom' or are you just making a bad joke?


No, I mean that a lot of indie kids think your mom is the greatest thing since sliced bread and Pavement, and really, she isn't.  She's sorta sucktastic.
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« Reply #41 on: 14 Sep 2005, 10:25 »

Say Hi to Your Mom got a crap Pitchfork review, so how could it possibly be overrated? (j/k, j/k)

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I'm definitely not a troll. And I love plenty of bands Pitchfork loves (see Decemberists, Sufjan, Tortoise etc.). And CYHSY is gigantic among board-posting people. And the album is definitely out.

And what the hell is OP?


OP is original poster.  CYHSY has been gigantic among forum goers for less than one month.  Jeph posted a positive response to the concert just a few days ago.  The time-span for a creative success in the indie world is shrinking so fast that pretty soon we are going to go directly from "unknown" to "backlash".

I'm going to paraphrase what someone else said earlier in this thread: an overrated thread is just another way of saying "Bands I don't like but you probably do".  Ok.  So what?
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« Reply #42 on: 14 Sep 2005, 10:29 »

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Really, can any band mentioned in this thread top Radiohead? I doubt it.


Radiohead win completely because they're not just over-rated by indie kids. I'm talking about things like Channel 4 listing Ok Computer as the best album ever. Not even best British album, which would still have been revoltingly criminal.
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« Reply #43 on: 14 Sep 2005, 12:59 »

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yeah.


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« Reply #44 on: 14 Sep 2005, 13:42 »

Why don't you guys provide some reasons for these bands being so over-rated instead of just listing out bands you don't care for?

Some of the claims so far have been terribly off base.

Radiohead? My Bloody Valentine? Pavement? Sonic Youth?

What do you guys like if you care so little for the aforementioned?  Throw in the Pixies (and possibly Joy Division, Guided by Voices and Echo & the Bunnymen) and you have primary influences for the majority of bands making records today.

I don't know how Radiohead can be over rated, 3 of their albums have been top notch 10/10 material.  The Bends, OK Computer and Kid A are phenominal.  And the others are far better than the majority of what is released today.  Claiming that they are over rated sounds like nothing more than a cry of "they are too popular for me to like them".

My Bloody Valentine and Sonic Youth were both sonically innovative groups.  Loveless and Daydream Nation are classic albums.  You can't argue with that, their influence is undeniable.

Pavement... well it is difficult for me to make a fair argument for them since they are one of my favorite bands.  So I will just ask for some clarification on how they are over-rated.

Yeah, if you christen any of these bands to be "the best ever", I could understand people arguing with you.  Claiming you are over-rating them etc.  But even if that were the case, being the best ever is so subjective it isn't even worth contemplating.  And being over-rated... how does one become over rated?  Is it just a simple case of "all these people like this band, and I think they are shit, I will make my voice heard on the internet!"?

Personally I think the Killers are over-rated on the grounds that they have sold a ton of records and have a sound I find extremely aggravating.  Cheesey synth shit shouldn't sell a million records.  But I am sure there is someone out their whose life was completed by some cheesey synth shit and is more than willing to argue with me.  So what is the point?
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« Reply #45 on: 14 Sep 2005, 13:59 »

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I don't know how Radiohead can be over rated, 3 of their albums have been top notch 10/10 material.  The Bends, OK Computer and Kid A are phenominal.  And the others are far better than the majority of what is released today.  Claiming that they are over rated sounds like nothing more than a cry of "they are too popular for me to like them".


Or it's a cry of "Everyone says their material is top notch 10/10 material" when they're really just long winded and really fucking boring.
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« Reply #46 on: 14 Sep 2005, 14:03 »

Fair enough.  In my opinion I think Sonic Youth is over rated because of the numerous people who have claimed they are "sonically innovative" or other such claptrap.  I think the Butthole Surfers did and do better weird experimental rock or what ever the fuck the kids call it these days.
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« Reply #47 on: 14 Sep 2005, 14:08 »

That's because the Butthole Surfers were ace.
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« Reply #48 on: 14 Sep 2005, 14:34 »

Also Thom Yorkes voice is awful. But anyway, I think you can say any band is over-rated when one of Britains largest television channels rates their eight-year old album the best ever, beating an illustrious list both mentioned and unmentioned. Plus, I hate guff like, say, everything Pitchfork writes about them, and every explanation I've ever seen ever of why 'Paranoid Android' is someones favourite song ever. How can so many people get so wet over something so inspidly boring? Even if you like them, you must admit they're over-rated. Only Skyclad could get that much praise and not be over-rated.
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« Reply #49 on: 14 Sep 2005, 14:48 »

GUYS YOU KNOW WHO ELSE IS REALLY OVERRATED? THE BEATLES!! YOU CAN NOT EVEN TELL WHO IS SINGING IN MOST OF THE SONGS AND THEY ARE REALLY OLD! YEAH, AND WHO CARES THAT ZAPPA  COMPLETELY RECREATED MUSIC! THAT SHIT IS WAAAY OVVERRATED JUST BECAUSE I DO NOT LIKE IT! WHAT ELSE CAN WE BE CRITICAL OF?[/size]


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