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nycpunk1

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« on: 12 Oct 2005, 23:51 »

1. A question based on todays comic post-- what exactly is "ass" time? I assume it's pretty long, but I got to admit, I'm unfamiliar with this term.

2. Why is it that RPG's, computer-based or otherwise (a la WoW), automatically peg you as a dork, geek or weirdo? I mean, it's not like we're all in high school, waiting for the cool girls (or boys) to notice us. Can't we get by this by now?

2a. What exactly is the link between above games and indie-rock? For example, if I was to tell people at an indie club that I loved D&D, there'd be not a single blink. But if I was to tell them that I was excited that my fantasy football team was kicking ass, they'd look at me like I just anally raped the collective members of The Arcade Fire. What the hell is the difference? [Disclaimer: I have no clue about either Warcraft or the NFl, in any form, so don't argue on those points, it'll be pointless]
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SuperPablo13

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« Reply #1 on: 13 Oct 2005, 01:14 »

I'm in college still waiting for the cool girls to notice me...
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Se7en

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« Reply #2 on: 13 Oct 2005, 02:11 »

My kid brother plays word of warcraft, and very seriously. So i can say that you DO have to be a geek to play it!

I dont mean geek as in the insult, or the generic term for someone who knows a computer from their elbow, but as a person with the kind of mindset neccesary to fill their head with massive quantities of trivia and information, and do it for FUN.

I cant speak for D&D, but i know that playing WoW competitively involves absorbing massive amounts of information, juggling stats, strategising, researching, even some pretty heavy duty maths and programming if you really want an edge.

People who do this are geeks. Its a good thing though, because for every million geeks that obessively plays world of warcraft or collects tram tickets or whatever.. theres one that goes and invents the lightbulb.

As far as i can see, indie rock is a pretty geeky thing too. The indie rock nerd digging through piles of dusty LPs in a tiny record shop that smells of pot isnt really any different from the guy hunched over his screen playing WoW 20 hours a day, or the train spotter on the platform in his anorak.

It must be the joy of discovering new things, researching and analysing that endears indie to the geeks. What other type of music can you imagine appealing to that sort of person?
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« Reply #3 on: 13 Oct 2005, 02:42 »

Quote from: Se7en

I cant speak for D&D, but i know that playing WoW competitively involves absorbing massive amounts of information, juggling stats, strategising, researching, even some pretty heavy duty maths and programming if you really want an edge.


What I've found with D&D is that the more you actually understand the game and are good at playing it, the less like this it is (story and character development come to the front, and then you switch to playing Mage ;) ). It does have a metric assload of rules though, which tends to attract really technical gamers like you describe above. That's one reason I've found that the people I prefer to play with are all theatre and writing geeks, rather than the computer geeks (despite being a computer geek myself).
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« Reply #4 on: 13 Oct 2005, 02:52 »

Doesn't seem to be the case with WoW. There are very few real roleplayers, and a lot of people that would otherwise be playing RTS games. My kid bro is so uncreative in that respect that he has to get me to name his characters. (Stumpy the level 60 gnomish warlock and Kneecap the level 40 gnomish rouge)
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« Reply #5 on: 13 Oct 2005, 05:09 »

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it's not like we're all in high school, waiting for the cool girls (or boys) to notice us. Can't we get by this by now?

Actually, my college experience was an interesting example of this sort of highschool drama on a massive scale.  On the one hand, people at Carnegie Mellon were relatively friendly towards geeks (although it should be noted that my gf frequently teases me about my nerdy ways.)  On the other hand, the school itself was a known geek haven (eg. we had a top computer science program and a top drama school.)  Meanwhile, just down the street (and I mean literally two blocks away) was Pitt, a state school with a top basketball team.  I remember going to a party and chatting with a Pitt student; when he realized I went to Carnegie Mellon, he said, "Oh.  So, you're a dork?"  More recently, I met a friend of a friend who went to Pitt.  Somebody else mentioned I also went to school in Pittsburgh.  She asked what school, and when I responded CMU, she let out a disgusted, "Ohhhh, you're one of them."

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What other type of music can you imagine appealing to that sort of person?

Most people I know who are into computers/games like electronic as well.  Interstella 5555 was mana from heaven.

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It does have a metric assload of rules though, which tends to attract really technical gamers like you describe above. That's one reason I've found that the people I prefer to play with are all theatre and writing geeks, rather than the computer geeks (despite being a computer geek myself).

This is why I stopped playing tabletop RPGs.  The group I started playing with were mostly theater people, but then after I moved the only people I could find to game with were all hack&slash rules lawyers.  Yawn.

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« Reply #6 on: 13 Oct 2005, 09:43 »

Actually I'm an advocate of the idea that people intensely into sports (keeping track of stats, fantasy sport leagues, favourite players, etc.) are just another breed of geek.
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Bunnyman

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« Reply #7 on: 19 Oct 2005, 00:27 »

My geeky obsession wasn't D&D, but rather Battletech.  And the Fallout series.  As well as guns in general.

I play Fallout:PNP.  SPECIAL is a great system - you can just throw together some random setting and it all works fine.

I played Call of Cthulhu in various incarnations through College.  I find that with less rules (SPECIAL, CoC) there's quite a bit more roleplaying...people are more willing to fill in the gaps where one rule ends and the next begins.  D&D wouldn't be too happy about the time we did the better part of a session communicating entirely in Interactive Fiction text parser commands...or the time in Fallout where I impaled a dude through the jaw on a pointy stick and threw him through a nearby plate window.

Got all my Juno Reactor (and a bunch of Massive Attack) at a LAN party in the Edge, if that helps.
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« Reply #8 on: 19 Oct 2005, 06:24 »

Well I am both an online gamer (SWG for around a year and a half, but have since given it up) AND a table top gamer (Shadowrun FTW). Then again, I also watch NFL a great deal, and have known other gamers who were sports fanatics. I do find it odd that at work, if I start talking about my Elf Phys-Ad I get about the same amount of blank stares and questioning glances as if I mention Vick's rushing yardage in my gaming group. Then again, my "scenester" friends look at me funny if I mention either. And I'm pretty sure, depending on the pretention level of the club, the only reason you don't get burnt at the stake is because they may take you playing D&D as ironic, and therefore, cool. I am pretty sure if I started talking about the feats I took for my 18 level samurai/iujitsu master and the bonuses to dueling I got, I wouldn't be taking home that waifish tatooed vixen with the sweet ass.

Strangely enough, I didn't start table top gaming until college. All throughout highschool I stuck to being a music and film geek, with some video games thrown in for good measure. But yes, as said before, I think it's the combonation of math and statistics skills mixed with the roleplaying/improv that pins gamers as geeks.  I mean, seriously, have you seen the Shadowrun players handbook? It's around 350 pages long, and you most people don't wait around for you to look up everything you need to play the game. I mean, look at how esoteric the combat system is:

1. Roll the number of dice in your combat skill, with any additional combat pool dice you would like (remember to save some for attacks against you) at the target number designated by the game master.
2. For the defender, subtract you armor level from the strength of the attack, this is the target number for you soak.
3. Roll you Body pool combined with any additional Combat pool you have remaining.
4. After negating attack success with soak success, use additional successes to stage the power of the attack down, hopefully taking no damage.

Did that make any sense to you? That's just normal combat, and that happens a whole lot. So yes, it is almost required that you be a "geek" who has been previously identified as someone with an obsessive knowledge of useless information and trivia.
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« Reply #9 on: 20 Oct 2005, 04:04 »

Don't get me started.  Since I was always the only one with a copy of Shadowrun, everyone spent about an hour apiece kitting out, because there was so goddamn much cyberware and gear in the back, and someone would be obsessively minmaxing.  Yeesh.  And that dice system...bloody arcane, it was.  Though truth be told, all this took a lot less time than a game of Battletech.  FASA just can't be concise, can they?
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« Reply #10 on: 20 Oct 2005, 06:06 »

Well, I just read the 4th Ed Shadowrun book last night (skimmed really), and they made it slightly easier. Sorta.

Well, at least the tech is updated. It was odd playing a futuristic game where real life technology is better than what is in game. If you get a chance, check it out. Oh, and Technomancers FTW. Otaku all grown up. Can manipulate machinery and the Matrix....with thier minds[/b].
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« Reply #11 on: 20 Oct 2005, 06:26 »

shadowrun == the matrix?
neo == technomancer?

Wait, does that make me a technomancer?  Or...

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« Reply #12 on: 20 Oct 2005, 06:45 »

I know this sounds conceited but... I find myself to be a relatively attractive and smart male who has a broad taste in entertainment to include computer games.  I think anyone who shuns you for such things is ignorant and not worth your time.
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« Reply #13 on: 20 Oct 2005, 06:48 »

Quote from: AdamIsConceited
I know this sounds conceited

It's kinda funny, your username juxtaposed with this statement...

Well, just a little funny...

Fine, it's not funny at all...

You all suck.

AdamIsConceited

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« Reply #14 on: 20 Oct 2005, 06:49 »

Hence my reason for this username.  Figured it would be best to get my conceition out of the way so everyone can understand me better... or so I hope.

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« Reply #15 on: 20 Oct 2005, 07:40 »

Since no one has address the linguistic question yet (I think): "ass" modifies "long", not "time". It's an intensifier, although a peculiar one in English as we usually front-load our adjectives.

Contrast with "butt", which typically comes before whatever it's intensifying. See The butt crack of dawn.

(OK, this was entirely just an excuse for that link.)
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