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SpacemanSpiff

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« Reply #50 on: 20 Oct 2005, 15:52 »
The question here is: Do you even need to tab out 6/6 stuff? You could just use triplets in a 8/8, right?
I might be wrong there, because I've never even bothered thinking about how 6/6 would sound like, but I figure in comparison to a normal 8/8, it would have to sound like something triplet-based and there is a way to tab that out already.
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« Reply #51 on: 20 Oct 2005, 19:13 »
8/8 and 6/6 are worthless speeds. They are just more annoying ways of writing out the EXACT SAME THING in 4/4 or 2/4. In 6/6, it would be the same thing in eighth-note triplets, and in 8/8, it would be the whole thing at double speed [eigth notes].
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« Reply #52 on: 21 Oct 2005, 00:32 »
What about 6/9?

I have heard that is rather sexy, eh? If you ken what I mean...
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« Reply #53 on: 21 Oct 2005, 06:41 »
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What about 6/9?

I have heard that is rather sexy, eh? If you ken what I mean...


Not for the person who has to read the music.

Oh.

Ohhhhhhhhh. Six-nine. I get it.
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« Reply #54 on: 21 Oct 2005, 06:44 »
8/8 sounds like 8/4
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« Reply #55 on: 21 Oct 2005, 08:07 »
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You know what's a bitch? 9/8. That one's a motherfucker.


The hell it is. If 12/8 is just 3/4 * 4/4 (musically, not mathematically, speaking), then 9/8 is just 3/4 * 3/4.

Think three groups of three: BUM-bum-bum BUM-bum-bum BUM-bum-bum.


But singing an old fashioned hymn written for an organ, when the melodies are meandering anyway, when it's in 9/8 it actually does get tricky.

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5/4 is way harder, because 5 is prime (mathematically speaking). So if you want to divide it up, every measure is either 2+3 or 3+2, there's no consistent way to equally subdivide it.


I actually find 5/4 really easy, personally. 8/8 is my favourite, thought. BUM-bum-bum-BUM-bum-bum-BUM-BUM.
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« Reply #56 on: 21 Oct 2005, 13:59 »
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I actually find 5/4 really easy, personally. 8/8 is my favourite, thought. BUM-bum-bum-BUM-bum-bum-BUM-BUM.


How does that differ from 4/4?
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« Reply #57 on: 21 Oct 2005, 14:39 »
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What about 6/9?

I have heard that is rather sexy, eh? If you ken what I mean...


Once we find a way to invent the ninth note, I am totally writing all of my music in that time.
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« Reply #58 on: 21 Oct 2005, 15:29 »
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I actually find 5/4 really easy, personally. 8/8 is my favourite, thought. BUM-bum-bum-BUM-bum-bum-BUM-BUM.


How does that differ from 4/4?


4/4 is ONE-two-three-four-ONE-two-three-four. 8/8 is ONE-two-three-ONE-two-three-ONE-two-ONE-two-three-ONE-two-three-ONE-two. It's pretty quirky.
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« Reply #59 on: 21 Oct 2005, 16:41 »
Speaking of notes that haven't been invented / are impossible to divide in ones mind: I one day realized that the Quintuplette would be the most metal thing EVER. 5-note clusters played over one of those super-proggy Triplette runs would be TOTALLY ORGASMIC! The closest you could get to this would probably be playing 5/4 and 4/4 simultaneously, and playing REALLY FAST in the 5/4.
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« Reply #60 on: 21 Oct 2005, 16:47 »
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Once we find a way to invent the ninth note, I am totally writing all of my music in that time.


Dude, just play nicne little noptes in  the space of one note? Rigjht? I mean, tjat's how it works.

or were they lying in school, like with black holes.?
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« Reply #61 on: 21 Oct 2005, 17:20 »
Fivetuplets: Those weird breaks in "Pretty Noose" by Soundgarden. 1..+3... 1..+3... 1..+3... 1-2-3-4-5 1
Again, my counting looks better in my head than on my computer screen.

It's really not as hard as it seems, just focus on tapping your right hand on the beginning of the first beat, left on the beginning of the next, and then fit five notes in between as evenly as you can. I once managed to play fivetuplets with my hands while I played triplets with my feet.

Oh, and I remembered something about Zappa: the Black Page. A horribly complicated clusterfuck of triplets, fivetuplets, seventuplets, godknowswhatelsetuplets. Zappa would use it to scare the hell out of auditioning drummers, and then he set a melody to it. Legend has it Steve Vai sightread it. Or something.
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« Reply #62 on: 21 Oct 2005, 22:25 »
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Oh, and I remembered something about Zappa: the Black Page. A horribly complicated clusterfuck of triplets, fivetuplets, seventuplets, godknowswhatelsetuplets. Zappa would use it to scare the hell out of auditioning drummers, and then he set a melody to it. Legend has it Steve Vai sightread it. Or something.


Vai didn't sightread it, he had rehearsed it beforehand, but it was indeed the song he played to get into Zappa's backing band.
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« Reply #63 on: 22 Oct 2005, 12:16 »
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8/8 and 6/6 are worthless speeds. They are just more annoying ways of writing out the EXACT SAME THING in 4/4 or 2/4. In 6/6, it would be the same thing in eighth-note triplets, and in 8/8, it would be the whole thing at double speed [eigth notes].

Yeah, thanks, that's what I meant. So at least I wasn't wrong.
And I agree, 8/8 is unnecessary, 4/4 gets the job done quite well. I was just using 8/8 because I was unsure whether I could write "eigth-note triplets" and it would still make sense. It's times like these where my English fails me completely.
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