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« Reply #50 on: 24 Oct 2005, 13:40 »

*titters* you people are funny. Well OK, just that one guy with the dictionary.

Seriously, though, I think this area of criticism/culture is fascinating. So true story: I was killing some time before the BSS show last night in Raven (used books) and I found Eisenstein's _Film Form_ and _Film Sense_. Fantastic stuff. The critics of montage! It blows the mind, today. Now I have a better touchpoint whenever I hear someone spit something reactionary toward Radiohead. This is not to elevate them to the same *level* as Mr. Sergei himself, but it is truly something to be able to trace this whole meme further and further thru time: theorists who have an impact primarily thru art, artists who have an impact primarily on theory, people who are both, or vice versa, or... etc.

Like I said, I like what I like. You find fewer people who begrudge you taking anything as more than aesthetics/entertainment in film than you do in music; that (apparently) hasn't changed. ;-)

[I am tempted to make a Gang of Four reference here, but, I'll leave it...]
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« Reply #51 on: 24 Oct 2005, 15:04 »

radiohead?

yeah, they're alright.

tend to attract pretentious dickheads for fans though. same with tool.
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« Reply #52 on: 25 Oct 2005, 08:28 »

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cryptogrammatic reconfiguration of the phenomenology of Kid A


This is one of the most masturbatory things I have ever read. How long did you search through the thesaurus before you found the word "parochial"?


And you complain about "parochial"? WTF?
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« Reply #53 on: 25 Oct 2005, 10:48 »

Damnit, MilkmanDan, it makes sense it context!

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but I read it as a transfiguration of/commentary on/reverse concordance to/cryptogrammatic reconfiguration of the phenomenology of Kid A (and the surface of all this that it managed to scratch at points)


Wait, no, it really doesn't.
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« Reply #54 on: 25 Oct 2005, 10:59 »

Oh yeah, when you add in "reverse concordance to", the whole sentence is suddenly a briskly-flowing mountain stream of sparkling clarity and unobfuscation. Though I just used the word "unobfuscation", so I guess I'm not really in a position to critisise.
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« Reply #55 on: 25 Oct 2005, 11:19 »

"Writing about music is like dancing about architecture." - Frank Zappa.
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« Reply #56 on: 25 Oct 2005, 11:21 »

Except then, Zappa probably did a twenty-minute freak-out dance to celebrate the Sydney Opera House.
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« Reply #57 on: 25 Oct 2005, 11:36 »

That is so true.

You know, I've typically heard that attributed to Elvis Costello, but that's probably just because it sounds sarcastic if you don't think about it very hard. I think I'll start using the Zappa one. Even it it wasn't a product of his mind, it certainly resonates. One of the great thinkers/cynics/smartasses of our time.

Google turns up this, if anyone wants to chase sources.

(Laurie Anderson! whoever suggested that should be shot. Luv ya Laurie. I suggest everyone else in this thread go listen to _Big Science_. Snicker, guffaw.)
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« Reply #58 on: 25 Oct 2005, 11:42 »

Back on topic please, and without the insults, or I'm gonna lock this.
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« Reply #59 on: 25 Oct 2005, 12:04 »

I like Radiohead.  Then again, I don't listen to them all that often as a little bit goes a long way.  I think my favourite song might be their cover of "Nobody Does it Better."
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« Reply #60 on: 25 Oct 2005, 12:16 »

I've got Amnesiac.  It's pretty good music to do other things to, but I don't think I could actually listen to it...and I listen to most things.
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« Reply #61 on: 27 Oct 2005, 10:58 »

Anyone bashing Radiohead based on Creep or any single album they have released should shut up. Mostly because their albums each have different feels to them, and it is impossible to judge them based on one song/album/etc.

Also anyone saying they are bland and unoriginal should shut up. Because, uh, they are pretty original. Have you heard most of the crap being put out over the past decade? Radiohead > probably around 95% of all music in the last decade.

I really don't care who hates them and whatever because honestly expecting everyone to splooge over them is pretty ridiculous. I hated them until about a year ago so whatever. There are still quite a few bands that beat Radiohead with sticks in my book. But most bands are a lot worse than Radiohead. So let's not say they are teh suck, yes?
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« Reply #62 on: 27 Oct 2005, 11:43 »

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radiohead?

yeah, they're alright.

tend to attract pretentious dickheads for fans though. same with tool.


This is why I never bothered to check out either of those bands in the first place. I don't care about the damned symbology of a band's lyrics. As a matter of fact, I very rarely care about lyrics to begin with. I'm probably breaking some indie law by saying this, but I really don't care what a song is about, as long as my ears think it's nice. When people start being all pretentious about what it means, I lose interest.
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« Reply #63 on: 27 Oct 2005, 11:50 »

I resent what's being said about Tool and Radiohead fans being pretentious ..... I'm a HUGE Tool fan and I don't mind Radiohead (their alright but not fantastic) and I don't go around quoting Maynard every five seconds 'dude he said we should think for ourselves and question authority like I can totally understand what he means' *sigh* and luckily most tool friends who I know aren't like that either so NEH
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« Reply #64 on: 27 Oct 2005, 12:02 »

But that pretention comment is (unintentionally?) hilarious considering the exchange between Decklin, sjbrot, and MilkmanDan which immediately precedes it.  You guys seriously crack me up.

The correct response to be called pretentious is, of course: "Pretentious?  Moi?"
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« Reply #65 on: 27 Oct 2005, 13:06 »

I have a real problem with Amnesiac. I'll explain.

The first three tracks are like a bizzare chain of events. Let me draw a metaphor.

First track: Sardines. You are doing some serious foreplay with a hot chick. There are clothes being torn off, and erogenous areas tickled.

Second track: Pyramid Song. Its on now, and you two kids are going for it, all slow and sensual, with a solid rhythm, and you're about to blow

Third Track: Pulk/Pull. The girl has leapt off you right before you blow your load, smashed the lamp from your bedside table over your head, knocking you unconcious, and when you come to ten minutes later, all your valubles are missing, and you're handcuffed to the bed.


I like Radiohead. I loved The Bends, and Kid A, and enjoyed OK Computer and Hail to the Thief. Amnesiac has quite a few good songs on it, but seriously. What the hell were they thinking with that third track? I can't just skip it either, because I know its still there....

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« Reply #66 on: 27 Oct 2005, 13:42 »

They are trying to freak you out! (said to the tune of "I am trying to Break Your Heart")

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« Reply #67 on: 27 Oct 2005, 18:24 »

I thought I was the only one who thought that song sucked. :P
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« Reply #68 on: 27 Oct 2005, 18:55 »

I dunno, I liked it...

I'm not sure if that's just a matter of tuning into whatever deeper, pretentious (pretentious? Moi?) meaning-space they were coming from or just, as I said, listening to so any other things that sounded like that anyway. Perhaps both!

I hope I'm not, ah, stepping on anyone's toes by suggesting there may be more than one way to read a work.
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« Reply #69 on: 27 Oct 2005, 19:06 »

Radiohead makes some ok songs I guess.  I enjoyed Kid A a lot when it came out, but I wasn't prepared to call it the most innovative anything ever...probably because I'd already heard an Autechre album.

Honestly I think liking Radiohead is just kind of lazy.  To me it says, "I want to appear to enjoy experimental music, but I'm not willing to put the effort into discovering it, so I'll just take what Rolling Stone defines as 'experimental' instead."
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« Reply #70 on: 27 Oct 2005, 19:10 »

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"Writing about music is like dancing about architecture." - Frank Zappa.



"Most rock journalism is people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, for people who can't read. "
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but the music sucks because the keyboards don't have the cold/mechanical sound they had but a wannabe techno sound that it's pathetic for Rammstein standars.

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« Reply #71 on: 27 Oct 2005, 19:50 »

Having listened to Amnesiac multiple more tiems, I can say that it mputs me to sleep.  I enjoy it, but I can't stay awake and listen to it.  Probably won't buy another album.  Simply 'cause there's other stuff.
Hell, I'm still missing the White Album.
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« Reply #72 on: 27 Oct 2005, 20:17 »

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Honestly I think liking Radiohead is just kind of lazy. To me it says, "I want to appear to enjoy experimental music, but I'm not willing to put the effort into discovering it, so I'll just take what Rolling Stone defines as 'experimental' instead."


Or, y'know, people don't necessarily listen to them because of what other people think, and might actually enjoy their music because they think it sounds good. Wacky!

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« Reply #73 on: 27 Oct 2005, 23:44 »

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I hope I'm not, ah, stepping on anyone's toes by suggesting there may be more than one way to read a work.


Man, I will eat you if you suggest anything that reasonable ever again. This is the internet for gods sake. Cut your damn stones off at the door.

I guess you could interpret it in different ways, but to me, that song is just a kick in the balls I can't recover from. It really does diminish the rest of the album for me.

Also, I admit, I am kinda one of these people

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"I want to appear to enjoy experimental music, but I'm not willing to put the effort into discovering it, so I'll just take what Rolling Stone defines as 'experimental' instead."


Except I like to think I'm not quite shallow enough to want to just appear to like it, and I am interested in finding more experimental shit (also, I guess I resent the Rolling Stones implication a little), except I am definatly an incredibly lazy person. So I ask the question to the inter nets, who would be a good band to listen to if I liked Radiohead, but wanted to branch out into more diverse styles ?

Keep in mind I am not interested in over the top bullshit. It would be nice if what I'm listening to actually resembles a song. And it would probably help if they were at least known enough to make getting shit imported to Australia not a giant kick in the balls.
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« Reply #74 on: 02 Nov 2005, 19:38 »

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radiohead?

yeah, they're alright.

tend to attract pretentious dickheads for fans though. same with tool.


i find Radiohead also tends to attract some pretentious detractors as well.  the type of people who are Pink Floyd fans but trash Darkside of the Moon and would literally marry (okay maybe not) Piper at the Gates of Dawn.
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« Reply #75 on: 03 Nov 2005, 07:24 »

radiohead are pretty cool. not my favorite, but i like them. favorite album is either The Bends or Hail to the Thief
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« Reply #76 on: 03 Nov 2005, 08:59 »

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radiohead?

yeah, they're alright.

tend to attract pretentious dickheads for fans though. same with tool.


i find Radiohead also tends to attract some pretentious detractors as well.  the type of people who are Pink Floyd fans but trash Darkside of the Moon and would literally marry (okay maybe not) Piper at the Gates of Dawn.


Hmm...well I'm a quarter of the way there.
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« Reply #77 on: 03 Nov 2005, 09:46 »

I've heard a lot of comments, over the years, about how Radiohead have pretentious fans... but in all the Radiohead forums I've been a part of, everyone is just plain awesome.

I've seen people come into these forums /just/ to bash Radiohead, and 99% of the reaction is; "Oh... well you obviously don't like them.  That's cool."

I think the pretention comes from people who refuse to like Radiohead because it was so fashionable to like them for such a long time... after all, you can't be an indie kid if you like something that happens to be a critical darling, can you?  Nope... can't be independant unless you pay way too much for new clothing that looks worn, and then try to 'out-obscure' your peers with your musical tastes... can you?

To be as objective as I possibly can, even though I'm one of the biggest Radiohead fans alive, I have to say this;

Their musical composition, ever since The Bends (and /especially/ OK Computer) is amazing.  Some people call it genius... I've even been known to say the same... but to tone things down, and take them out of the realm of fanboydom, their compositions are unique, experimental and intelligent.  Unlike many bands they have constantly evolved.  No two albums have ever sounded alike, and no two songs on any album seem similar to one-another.  They put on one of the most entertaining live shows in the business, bringing their electronic influences, classical instruments and energy to the stage with ease.  Watching Johnny Greenwood literally dash across the stage during live renditions of 'Idioteque', playing with dozens of different mixers/samplers/EQs/etc... it's truly awesome (in the proper sense of the word, not the overused one).

To be objective, Thom's voice would probably bother a LOT of people.  It can take some getting used-to, and depending on the song, it can vary greatly.  People who've only ever listened to Paranoid Android, Just, Creep, Knives Out (etc) are probably going to think he's a terrible singer... but when you listen to the last minute and a half of 'Let Down' or songs like 'Pyramid Song', 'I might Be Wrong', 'Go To Sleep' or 'In Limbo', there's little denying the man has an INCREDIBLE vocal range.

Radiohead is not for everyone, obviously... and claiming that they are reshaping music is too bold a claim for even the biggest fans to make.  They are, however, undeniably talented, experimental, and should be respected for what they've accomplished.  Anyone claiming that they 'suck' is simply being ignorant.
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« Reply #78 on: 03 Nov 2005, 12:58 »

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I dunno, I liked it...

I'm not sure if that's just a matter of tuning into whatever deeper, pretentious (pretentious? Moi?) meaning-space they were coming from


Since you're referring to a group of other people as pretentious, I believe it should be "Pretentious? Eux?"

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« Reply #79 on: 03 Nov 2005, 14:04 »

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Keep in mind I am not interested in over the top bullshit. It would be nice if what I'm listening to actually resembles a song. And it would probably help if they were at least known enough to make getting shit imported to Australia not a giant kick in the balls.


I was going to suggest The Residents, but some of their stuff is REALLY over the top, as is many of the others I was going to list (Captain Beefheart, Edgar Varese/other modern composers)


THere are a bunch of stuff I can still reccomend. I don't know how big you have to be to be imported to Austrialia, but alot of Buckethead's stuff is experimental-while-still-listenable-to-the-normal-person. Although he goes under a bunch of names, does alot of "guest starring", if you will,  and has been in a big amount of bands, so here's a good list:
The Deli Creeps (Which were one of Mike Patton's favorite bands, if that interests you)
Buckethead
Death Cube K
Giant Robot
Zillatron
Cobra Strike
Praxis
El Stew
Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains
Cornbugs
Thanatopsis
Company 91
Gorgone


I also reccomend John Zorn (Naked City is usually mentioned with his name) and various Les Claypool projects. also, many a Mike Patton things are really good (Mr. Bungle, Fantomas, General Patton Vs. The Executioners). And Crotchduster.

EDIT: How the hell could I forget Zappa? Frank Zappa totally wins this post 3 times over.
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but the music sucks because the keyboards don't have the cold/mechanical sound they had but a wannabe techno sound that it's pathetic for Rammstein standars.
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