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Lutharion:
Ok not sure if this would be the place to put such a thread...

I have somewhat limited HTML skills and I am trying to learn some new stuff but wanted to gets suggestions from those who may be far savvier than I. Or any suggestions on different programming languages.

My friend and I eventually want to put up our own site with a webcomic we have been working on. I am trying to figure out some finer points of web programming. Creating a forum like this for example or a merchandise sales page like Jeph has set up for QC...

If not HTML then what should I use?

Any suggested programs for creating one or uploading stuff? I don't truly care about price... most people don't pay for programs these days anyway. I probably will though.

Any overall suggestions would be grand. Even books I should look into for such suggestions.

Not worrying about domain and stuff at the moment.

Thanks all.

jhocking:
php

Lutharion:
PHP? Um... could you elaborate slightly? Like where should I go to start learning it?

jhocking:
I don't know if this is really the best place to start learning PHP, but this is generally the best place to look for information about web development, and there certainly are tutorials on PHP:

http://www.webmonkey.com/

decklin:
I think a little clarification of basic concepts might help...

This page right here is HTML, as is the QC store, as is, well, everything else. That's all your browser sees and knows how to deal with.

How that HTML is put together (if not by hand) is where you get into "web programming". Here it's PHP. Elsewhere it may be Rails, Twisted, Mason, ColdFusion, JSP... etc.

However, none of these are "instead of" HTML. All of these approaches speak HTML and to various degrees can free you with the minutae of dealing with its stupidities, but you still do need to understand what your programs are going to be outputting.

Any kind of procedural abstraction (aka "programming") is much more difficult than semantic abstraction (aka "marking up" HTML). Get comfortable with the latter first before getting in over your head.

As for matters of personal taste... PHP is decent and easy enough to start with if you know how to program and don't want to fuck around designing anything, but I'd be wary of suggesting it to someone who doesn't already know better because as a language it's rather ugly. Other people will have different opinions on this.

This is the most important part, though: spend all your money on books. The only software worth using is free.

(Aside: I can't believe Webmonkey is still kicking! That takes me back about a decade.)

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