Also, everybody stop bashing goth. Not that goth hasn't got used to it or even cares particularly. It is totally disparate from emo, and does not really revolve around hate. More disdainful pity.[/quote]
Just on this, I know theres another thread for the whole emo thing, but I'll write it here. I live in Australia, so basically we get the different social groups that emerge in America about 6 months to a year after americans do. The thing is with emo though, is that its only become such a hated thing since the rise of it within popular culture. Bands like Simple Plan are really the epitome of pop-emo, along with other pop-emo bands like the Used. In my opinion, emo that was around before like 2003 or whenever was more associated with punk, and its more fitting to say that emo and punk are closely related. These days, a lot of emotional music of any sort is often bashed as theres a bit of an emo-phobe thing happening. An idiot friend of mine heard the opening lines to Iced Earths "Melancholy": "Make this sadness go away, come back another day" and said "whats this emo shit?" and I pissed myself laughing (he's a musical moron, I'm not a leetest, but its true).
In any case, the essence of pop-emo is what I despise among all else at the moment. It is the whole idea of the emo being the center of their own little universe, everyone around them is always wrong even under indisputable evidence (pretty much) and no one can possibly understand the emotions they feel. The world is black and white, and constantly bittersweet. Now don't say I'm labelling sterotypes, but this is pop!!! I know real emo-listeners aren't really like this. Its really just a phase, just like pop-gothicism was last year and the "shiny gangstaz" before them. Everyone hates them, but they'll eventually leave school and realise the real world is a very different place.
On metal, as I am a huge metal fan, I understand what you're saying with the whole pop-anarchy thing at the moment. I'm gonna go as far as say that System of a Down are a pop band at the moment, The fact they release two albums in a year, the first only having 30 minutes of material (which Im told by SOAD fans is crap) is kind of testament to my belief. But the lyrics Ive heard and have read, its just this crap thats pandering to the youth idea of anarchy. And its ridiculous non-intelligent. Ive been and seen 3 local bands in the past six months, each had a song called Anarchy and two of which sounded exactly like bloody Rage Against the Machine. I bet half of them have no idea what anarchy means. Theres a similar thing I feel going on with the sounds pioneered by Norwegian and Swedish bands like In Flames and Soilwork, all these new bands are going for exactly the same sound with the screaming vocalist and the melodic death music stuff. These bands I feel aren't true original bands. There's a lot coming out of America at the moment, and for me to find a modern metal band with actual singing is an absolute joy. Don't get me wrong, Im a huge fan of bands like COB and In Flames, Im just picking a lot of un-originality from some bands now-a-days. It should be unnessary for In Flames to be broadening and changing their sound on every album, but its obvious they wanna stay fresh even if they did invent the sound thats becoming generic. In a case like this I think sterrotypes serve a purpose to make these bands SHUT UP, or become original!!!!
And also, Manowar being the perfect sterotype of metal, I have to agree with. I love Manowar, they're a great band despite the cheesiness and you have to respect them keeping the same "Death to false metal!" warcry they've had going for years! I think the whole thing is, they say they're the loudest band in the world, and the whole larger than life personas, dress, lyrics, all that stems from that and I admire it, while laughing! Hahaha.
