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« on: 17 Dec 2005, 22:39 »

We've had a lot of music suggestions threads on a general level, but I see less discussion of electonic music in specific on this forum.  This is a genre I'd really like to see more people get into, because it is such an individualistic field in terms of how people come up with their sounds.  However, to me, it seems pretty inaccessable (I basically got into it by jumping in blind, and getting lucky by picking a good starting point/band).  

I was thinking we might compile some kind of compedium, so people looking into the genre would have some idea of the major players and some good places to start looking, but I'd also like to see some fresh suggestions thrown out, as well, because I'm always interested in hearing a new artist.  

I'll start by throwing out a few of the obvious/better known ones:

Kraftwerk
Autechre
Aphex Twin
Boards of Canada
The Chemical Brothers
The Crystal Method
Air
Juno Reactor
Amon Tobin
M83
NIN
Tangerine Dream
Daft Punk
Junior Senior

Would you guys consider The Faint electronic?  They toe the line pretty well, it seems.

Some more obscure bands/artists that I think are pretty good are:
Esem
Tycho

You can also find some pretty interesting stuff on amatuer sites like Myspace, as well, and there are also some pretty cool remixes on OCRemix if you dig in the right places.  

If you are interested or curious about a particular artist or what any of these bands sounds like, feel free to ask.
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« Reply #1 on: 17 Dec 2005, 23:00 »

The problem with this is similar to the problem with a universal hip-hop thread. "Electronic" music has so many byzantine subdivisions that it's pretty much impossible to even try and pigeonhole it. I mean, do you include trance? Do you include hard trance, hardcore, happy hardcore, deep trance, prog trance, or do you simply not accept that those labels even describe different types of music? Same goes for DnB, house, funk, breaks, etc., etc... To say nothing of Khar's favourite brand of dark metal inspired electronica, and so on and so forth. It's a can of worms.

To be honest, I couldn't detect an overarching theme to your list. That's not a bad thing - the groups you listed are all good - but what do you mean by "electronic"?

In the spirit of it, though, some good groups/artists:

BT
X-Dream
Supreme Beings Of Leisure
Layo & Bushwacka!
2 Many DJs (just because)
Itch-E and Scratch-E (and anything else involving paul mac)
Four Tet
Propellerheads
Plump DJs
Kosheen
Freestylers (yes, even Push Up)
Pendulum
Orbital
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« Reply #2 on: 18 Dec 2005, 04:20 »

I know what I mean by electronic:

:wumpscut:
Post 'Daudi Baldrs' Burzum
Neuroticfish
VNV Nation
Funker Vogt
Lords of Acid
OhGr
Mortiis
Later Sopor Aeternus
Anne Clark
old Current 93
Skinny Puppy
Alien Vampires
Throbbing Gristle
Dread Conveyor
Terrorfakt
Deathstars
Gary Numan
Psychic TV
Mind.in.a.Box
Curse of the Golden Vampire
Assemblage 23

...and so on and so forth.

I'd recommend all those bands, but not to get you in to electronic music. Maybe to get you away from it...

The easiest way to get into electronica is simply to drop the stupid prejudices against it that most of my friends seem to have. Even then, I have to say, I don't like most mainstream electronica at all. Only really stuff in the EBM/industrial/darktrance/dark ambient sort of axis, with some acid and of course wierder stuff like Mortiis (All hail the disco-troll!) and Curse of the Golden Vampire (Scum 'n bass! Scum 'n bass!).
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« Reply #3 on: 18 Dec 2005, 18:56 »

NO. PENDULUM ARE NOT GOOD ELECTRONIC ARTISTS. THEY ARE CHAVS ON CD. THEY EPITOMIZE REPETETIVENESS. THEY GIVE D'N'B A BAD NAME.

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« Reply #4 on: 18 Dec 2005, 19:47 »

To start, for the purpose of this thread lets define electronic music as:

Anything produced in majority by use of computerized composition or synths.  This includes music generated entirely with computer generated/synth sounds, or samples that have been recorded and then arranged or composed on the computer.  This can also extend to sounds created by synth, but then manually dubbed (I think this is how Tangerine Dream worked..?).  I really think electronica is almost a kind of "mentality" that you can just tell by hearing it.  

Electronica is not something that is made solely by guitars, drums, or traditional instruments (although it may contain samples of said instruments.)

In regards to elcapitan:  I tried to avoid picking a unified theme/subgenre in my initial suggestions because:

a)  I'd like to make a relatively unbiased list that highlights the better artists from electronic as a whole, so as to encourage different musical tastes and expose interested people to a range of styles.

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b)To avoid getting into the whole "splitting hairs over which subgenre it fits into" issue.  I don't like trying to fit bands into little boxes =P.  

Apologies, it seems I've forgotten to add the trance, though ;).  It's not really my bag, but it has it's merits, and I still enjoy it on occasion.  

Paul Oakenfold,
Sasha,
and John Digweed are probably the better known names in that field.  

I'll also throw out Bit Shifter since I forgot to mention him earlier, even though he's unrelated to trance =P.  

In regards to Khar:  I've recently heard a bit of "dark metal" as I think it was called....  it was kind of interesting... sort of like Ambient electronica, but approached from a metal mentality and using guitar distortion instead of synths to create a really threatening "atmosphere" for lack of a better word.  It was kind of interesting... I think of it as one of the places metal and electronica overlap.  

Also, what are "disco-troll" and "scum-n-bass"?  I'm a bit curious as to what that sounds like =).  

I've heard a little Skinny Puppy, but I'm still kind of on the fence about them.  Maybe I just need to find the right album ;)

If you guys had to pick 2 favorites from the lists you posted, who would they be?  Trying to pick a place to start, haha.
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« Reply #5 on: 18 Dec 2005, 22:23 »

Industrial music is like infant formula before you move on to real electronic.

Everyone has different tastes, and I've often found that a lot of people in the indie community (and I'm totally generalizing here) seem to prefer music that doesn't really maintain a steady rhythm, or exercises that sort of chaotic, musically masturbatory beatmaking that seems to be popular among the IDM artists these days.  I prefer my electronic music to sort of resemble a song, rather than a pretentious college experiment.  If I wanted that I'd listen to Daniel Lanois.

So moving on.  There's always going to be variances in taste.  And frankly, I think trance music ruined the electronic scene (that's a different topic altogether though).  But here's some of what I dig:

House:
Fred Everything
ADNY
The Persuader
Forme
Chris J.
Denver McCarthy
Charles Webster
Ben Watt
Blue Six
Miguel Migs
Vikter Duplaix
Gilles Peterson
Triola
Yukihiro Fukutomi

Techno:
Fluxion
Aril Brikha
Monolake
Theorem
Alexander Kowalski
Dennis DeSantis
Mike Parker
The Orb

Drum & Bass:
Teebee
Cable
Blame
Seba
Krust
Photek
Paradox
Alaska
Fauna Flash

Downtempo:
Tosca
Pre Cosmic Game Thievery Corporation
Koop
Jazzanova
Truby Trio
Peace Orchestra
Slowpho
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« Reply #6 on: 18 Dec 2005, 23:50 »

Trance *can* be lots of fun.  Trance can also be overblown shite.

House:
Phuture (Bumping Acid House)
Luke Vibert (Ditto...Kerrier District is amazing, as is Yoseph)
Future Sound of London (The most varied sound outside of Aphex Twin)
Leftfield (I'm really a sucker for that mid 90's British sound)
Underworld (Further evidence)
Trance:
Infected Mushrooms (Who doesn't love a good bit of Psy-Goa?)

Techno:
o9 (Obscure, awesome.  Seek out Church of the Ghetto P.C. for some amazing soundscapes.)

Drum & Bass:
Source Direct
John B (one of those artists who seems to have remembered how to have fun)

Drill & Bass:
Kid606
Squarepusher

Down Tempo:
Nightmares on Wax (upbeat ambient sort of stuff)

I'm also partial to a good bit of futurepop...I love www.digitalgunfire.com.
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« Reply #7 on: 19 Dec 2005, 01:28 »

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In regards to elcapitan:  I tried to avoid picking a unified theme/subgenre in my initial suggestions because:

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b)To avoid getting into the whole "splitting hairs over which subgenre it fits into" issue.  I don't like trying to fit bands into little boxes =P.


Fair call.

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Apologies, it seems I've forgotten to add the trance, though ;).  It's not really my bag, but it has it's merits, and I still enjoy it on occasion.  


I only used trance as an illustrative example. :) I'm not that big a fan of it, to be honest - I listen to some, but I prefer breaks, deep house, stuff with a bit more funk to it.
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« Reply #8 on: 19 Dec 2005, 02:02 »

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Industrial music is like infant formula before you move on to real electronic.


Ridiculously biased and wrong opinions are like cat turds shovelled into my eyes. Heard Throbbing Gristle? Current 93's Dog's Blood Rising? Industrial /= Rammstein.

Mortiis is this dude:



and his band. He makes ridiculously wierd fantasy music ranging from industrial-styled efforts to strange dark disco numbers.

And Scum'n Bass is just what you'd expect from a former member of Napalm Death making Drum 'n Bass.
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« Reply #9 on: 19 Dec 2005, 02:08 »

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Industrial music is like infant formula before you move on to real electronic.

I disagree. I think industrial is a perfectly respectable genre in its own right. The good stuff incorporates so many different styles as well, it can be very complex and interesting. I would say house and D 'n B are more like infant formula, not much variation and less interest.
My personal favourites are:

KMFDM
Covenant
Razed In Black
Prodigy
Concord Dawn (Kiwi D 'n B)
Pop Will Eat Itself
NIN
Wolfsheim
Katscan
Chemical Brothers
Angelspit
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« Reply #10 on: 19 Dec 2005, 03:17 »

Ah, Pop Will Eat Itself! I wasn't sure whether to list them, but I'm glad someone else has.
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« Reply #11 on: 19 Dec 2005, 03:40 »

They roxx0r my boxx0rs. Seriously. And pretty influential as well. When "This Is This" came out in '89 it pretty much changed the way a lot of the underground looked at music.
You can hear their influcence in most modern hiphop, techno and industrial. Missy Eliott's latest album uses pretty much the same beat patterns as several of their songs and it's considered revolutionary for a mainstream hip hop album.
I cannot stress enough how much I like this band and the culture commentary they make. They pretty much predicted everything that would be cool in the 'industrial' scene (atleast in NZ) in the late 90's, early 00's.
What I wouldn't give to get hold of some of their original pressings... I've got two of their rare INFECT series CDs though, good remixes.
I wish I owned a copy of "Dos Dedos Mi Amigos" as well.
Yeah, listen to PWEI and realise they were doing this 20 years ago better and fresher than 90% of modern bands.
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« Reply #12 on: 19 Dec 2005, 04:49 »

My favorites:

Aavikko
Amon Tobin
Ryoji Ikeda
Jori Hulkkonen

Check 'em out. They're worth it.
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« Reply #13 on: 19 Dec 2005, 06:54 »

I completely forgot about Jori Hulkonnen.  The Spirits Inside Me is one of my alltime favorites, and  Different is worth listening to just for his ode to Finnish Hockey.

Amon Tobin can be hit or miss.  I really dug Supermodified and the Chaos Theoryalbum he released this year, but a lot of his stuff can get tiring after a while (at least, that's the impression I got after seeing him).

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Welcome to my world.  ;)

I should have put a "For me," in front of my original statement...I didn't mean to imply that as a universal truth.
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« Reply #14 on: 19 Dec 2005, 09:35 »

Lots of good suggestions in here.  I heard a little Amon Tobin last night for the first time, and now I'm beating myself up for not getting that Splinter Cell album just because it was a game soundtrack.  Heard a little of Luke Vibert, as well... I've basically come to expect quality from anything on Warp records =P.  

Pop Will Eat Itself sounds pretty interesting.


@Khar:  Omg, I think that guy -is- a troll/goblin!  I mean, lookit him!
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« Reply #15 on: 19 Dec 2005, 10:17 »

personally I pretty much exclusively listen to ebm/synthpop these days, with a bit of indie on the side. these bands are all awesome:

ebm/hard futurepop

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Aesthetic Perfection
Angels and Agony
Ayria
Combichrist
Die Form
Die Krupps
Evil's Toy
Front 242
Funker Vogt
Glis
God Module
Grendel
Hocico
Nebula-H
Neikka RPM
O.V.N.I.
Project Pitchfork
Rotersand
Spetznaz

future/synthpop

Anything Box
Apoptygma Berzerk
Ayria
B! Machine
Beborn Beton
Blind Faith And Envy
Cesium:137
Echo Image
Endanger
Epsilon Minus
Icon of Coil
Iris
Lavantgarde
Leiahdorus
Les Anges De La Nuit
Mesh
Mind.In.A.Box
Mono Chrome
n.ever.endless
NamNamBulu
Neuroactive
Neuropa
Neuroticfish
Null Device
Seize
Subsonique
Syrian
The Azoic
The Echoing Green
The Frozen Autumn
The Nine
The Rorschach Garden
VNV Nation
Wideband Network

electro/industrial-rock / electronic shit with guitars in I can never put in a genre satisfactorily

KMFDM
The Birthday Massace
Oomph!

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« Reply #16 on: 19 Dec 2005, 10:26 »

I forgot Juicy Panic! It's awesome!!!
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« Reply #17 on: 19 Dec 2005, 18:55 »

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« Reply #18 on: 20 Dec 2005, 04:36 »

Done and done, check the account.
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« Reply #19 on: 22 Dec 2005, 14:22 »

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Welcome to my world.  ;)

I should have put a "For me," in front of my original statement...I didn't mean to imply that as a universal truth.

Well, your statement wasn't exactly ambiguous, so forgive us if we interpreted it as a reasonable person would.

The problem with music is that most of it is pretty terrible. So someone like you could get your introduction to "industrial" through some horrid futurepop (not that all futurepop is horrid, but a lot of it is), while I got my intro through KMFDM and Front 242, and later Throbbing Gristle and Coil. First impressions can poison the mind against certain things.

Keep in mind that, without industrial and noise music (and their avante-garde precursors), even trance and house would be left without a number of important influences

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Coil (innovative as hell)
Cybotron (how did this thread go 18 posts without someone mentioning Cybotron?)
Vangelis         *
Wendy Carlos *  these 3 were ridiculously ahead of their respective times
Isao Tomita    *
Brian Eno and Steve Roach (ambient and "new-age" innovators, respectively)
Thomas Dolby
Klaus Shulze

Cabaret Voltaire and Nitzer Ebb are pretty badass too, as was Psychic TV (featuring Genesis P-Orridge of Throbbing Gristle)

NON (Boyd Rice) played a huge part in the birth of Noise music as we know it today, and was also one of the first to use turntables as an instrument back in the 70's

Mortiis has done some completely awesome stuff, but I think I'm the only person in the world who thinks that The Stargate was the high point of his work (and such a high point it was!). We really didn't need any more disco/ebm albums when he could've been filling my brain with dark ambient

Outshined: "Last Rights," "Too Dark Park," "VIVIsect VI." Skinny Puppy has a ridiculous amount of material (since it takes them about 20 minutes to write and record a noise-y song), but if you look out for the more well-known albums, you'll generally be able to avoid the less interesting work they've done. "The Greater Wrong Of The Right" is a pretty good album too, but it doesn't quite "feel" like Skinny Puppy on most of the tracks. cEvin knows his way around a studio at the very least and it sounds very professional.
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« Reply #20 on: 22 Dec 2005, 14:33 »

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Industrial music is like infant formula before you move on to real electronic.


Ridiculously biased and wrong opinions are like cat turds shovelled into my eyes. Heard Throbbing Gristle? Current 93's Dog's Blood Rising? Industrial /= Rammstein.

Man, why is everyone always hating on Rammstein?

Current 93 (also Death in June, also Sol Invictus etc) is Apocalyptic Folk, which is a different genre than industrial. It may as well be the same though, because only industrial fans have the stomache for it. ApopFolk does have a number of influences (and musicians) in common with Industrial, but Industrial (as originally conceived) typically relies more on tape manipulations and electronics than on noise and classical instruments.

Unless we're tossing VNV Nation and Assemblage 23 and stuff under the "industrial" umbrella, in which case the genre name has become so inclusive as to be worthless. If that's the case, then we may as well toss C93 and Death In June under there too.

Regardless, the genre has come a long and varied way from its conception as Industrial Records with Monte Cazazza and TG, etc
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« Reply #21 on: 22 Dec 2005, 17:44 »

There was of course a reason I put the specific album. 'Dogs Blood Rising' is NOT Apocalyptic folk. It was released in 1985, before anyone knew what such a thing was: Dogs Blood Rising is almost pure tape manipulation and drums with nursery rhymes and Dave Tibet screaming 'JESUS WEPT!' over the top. A very dark and disturbing record. C93 didn't make the transition to apocalyptic folk until the very late 80's. I don't have anywhere near their full discography, but the transition was complete by 'As The World Dissapears...' (And may I just point out at this juncture what an amazing album that is?). The same with early Death in June. Tell me tracks like 'The Calling', 'Christine the Lizard' and 'Klaus Barbie' aren't pretty industrial*

VNV Nation and Assemblage 23 are EBM/Futurepop. I've NEVER quite worked out the seemingly arbitrary distinction between the two, except for a few bands (I KNOW :wumpscut: are EBM, I KNOW Neuroticfish are Futurepop, because, well, EBM is dead).

I'm not hating on Rammstein, I like Rammstein. I'd just NEVER hold them up as an example of industrial music. Just like I'd never hold up Hanzel Und Gretyl or Ministry. Industrial ROCK, yes, but that's a world away from real industrial. You'll notice that my list was entitled 'I know what I mean by electronic:', which is why it included Acid, darktrance, nu-pop, electronic darkwave and dark ambient.**

Stick around more and you'll realise I'm probably the biggest neo-folk fan on these boards. Fuck, I PLAY in a neo-folk band.

*At least in their original versions. Neo-folk bands seem to enjoy recording at least 6 versions of every song, though C93 do take it one step further by changing the title all the time (Ie 'Hooves' and 'Horsey' are different versions of the same song).

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« Reply #22 on: 22 Dec 2005, 19:11 »

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« Reply #23 on: 22 Dec 2005, 22:25 »

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There was of course a reason I put the specific album. 'Dogs Blood Rising' is NOT Apocalyptic folk. It was released in 1985, before anyone knew what such a thing was: Dogs Blood Rising is almost pure tape manipulation and drums with nursery rhymes and Dave Tibet screaming 'JESUS WEPT!' over the top. A very dark and disturbing record. C93 didn't make the transition to apocalyptic folk until the very late 80's. I don't have anywhere near their full discography, but the transition was complete by 'As The World Dissapears...' (And may I just point out at this juncture what an amazing album that is?). The same with early Death in June. Tell me tracks like 'The Calling', 'Christine the Lizard' and 'Klaus Barbie' aren't pretty industrial*

Man, I kinda put my foot in my mouth there. I'm only acquainted with middle and late career C93/DIJ

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VNV Nation and Assemblage 23 are EBM/Futurepop. I've NEVER quite worked out the seemingly arbitrary distinction between the two, except for a few bands (I KNOW :wumpscut: are EBM, I KNOW Neuroticfish are Futurepop, because, well, EBM is dead).

I basically just call everything in that realm "EBM/Futurepop," because I don't listen to enough of either for it to make a real difference. Except for Front 242, which I just call EBM. I've always figured that futurepop was more vocal-oriented and "techno" than EBM, which tends to be harder and more rigid. Hell if I know, though.

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I'm not hating on Rammstein, I like Rammstein. I'd just NEVER hold them up as an example of industrial music. Just like I'd never hold up Hanzel Und Gretyl or Ministry. Industrial ROCK, yes, but that's a world away from real industrial. You'll notice that my list was entitled 'I know what I mean by electronic:', which is why it included Acid, darktrance, nu-pop, electronic darkwave and dark ambient.**

Stick around more and you'll realise I'm probably the biggest neo-folk fan on these boards. Fuck, I PLAY in a neo-folk band.

I'd imagine that the number of neofolk fans on this board could probably be counted on a hand and a half (maybe my joining knocked it up to two full hands?), but it's nice to see that we've got some.

What instrument do you play in the band?

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*At least in their original versions. Neo-folk bands seem to enjoy recording at least 6 versions of every song, though C93 do take it one step further by changing the title all the time (Ie 'Hooves' and 'Horsey' are different versions of the same song).

Hehe - sounds a bit like Coil! It's nice though, provided the versions continually get better.

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My black has been growing steadily grayer as my distance from high-school increases, so I'm not at all surprised by that.

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« Reply #24 on: 22 Dec 2005, 22:51 »

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What instrument do you play in the band?


When I say band, that band is basically just me, as I don't know anyone in real life who likes neo-folk. At least not anyone who can play an instrument. I do vocals and play electric, acoustic, spanish and 12 string guitar, violin, keyboard, tape decks, harmonica, recorder, bodhran, sleigh bells and just about anything else I can get my grimy mitts on. Obviously, it's a studio project: though if it wasn't, I'm at a loss as to where we'd/I'd get gigs, so c'est la vie. I would REALLY like a decent vocalist/violinist though, I can't sing for shit, really, and I still haven't quite rung all the 'tortured cat' feel out of my violin playing.
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« Reply #25 on: 23 Dec 2005, 09:24 »

What exactly falls under the definition of Neo-Folk?  I like some new folk bands, but I suspect my definition of neo-folk might be somewhat removed from yours =P.
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« Reply #26 on: 23 Dec 2005, 10:10 »

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VNV Nation and Assemblage 23 are EBM/Futurepop. I've NEVER quite worked out the seemingly arbitrary distinction between the two, except for a few bands (I KNOW :wumpscut: are EBM, I KNOW Neuroticfish are Futurepop, because, well, EBM is dead).


That's pretty much it really. Some people somewhere decided EBM had had its day, and it got called futurepop instead. "true"/first-wave EBM is the harder, but still synth-based stuff like Front 242, Die Krupps, Skinny Puppy, Frontline Assembly, early VNV Nation (it was VNV who coined the term "futurepop" when they got more beepy, so I guess you could say that futurepop = light EBM). Not sure why Neuroticfish hate the term so much though.

futurepop (as far as I can tell) is just synthpop that's too dark/hard to be plain ol' synthpop, but too recent or light to be EBM. of course, it gets even more fun when you throw stupid terms like "darkwave" and gothic influences and try and make separate genres out of the resulting mess. what the hell are Blutengel anyway?

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« Reply #27 on: 23 Dec 2005, 12:04 »

I can totally see Raven going "Nurr, So Confused, Nurr!" in response to wierd genre conventions like this =)
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« Reply #28 on: 23 Dec 2005, 13:25 »

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That's pretty much it really. Some people somewhere decided EBM had had its day, and it got called futurepop instead. "true"/first-wave EBM is the harder, but still synth-based stuff like Front 242, Die Krupps, Skinny Puppy, Frontline Assembly, early VNV Nation (it was VNV who coined the term "futurepop" when they got more beepy, so I guess you could say that futurepop = light EBM). Not sure why Neuroticfish hate the term so much though.

I always thought SP was far too fond of their noise roots to be called anything but Industrial
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« Reply #29 on: 23 Dec 2005, 13:33 »

because it needs mention ^_^: http://www.ishkur.com/music/

sadly, it seems the server is down at the moment, but it'll be back up soon enough.
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« Reply #30 on: 23 Dec 2005, 15:59 »

Ishkur's guide RULES, byt the problem is Ishkur makes up most of the gebres/distinctions himself.
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« Reply #31 on: 23 Dec 2005, 17:43 »

Yeah... that guide is pretty opinionated, as reading it for more than a minute will reveal by itself.  However, if you take it with a grain of salt, it can actually be a pretty useful general guide to the diveristy of electronic subgenres and sounds out there.  I really think he's crossed the line into meaningless subdivision into inane subcategories / smashing artists into little boxes syndrome, though =/.
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« Reply #32 on: 23 Dec 2005, 18:30 »

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Ishkur's guide RULES, byt the problem is Ishkur makes up most of the gebres/distinctions himself.


indeed. his guide is useful for finding new artists, but utterly useless if you want to end up any less clueless about genres than when you started reading it, at some point.

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« Reply #33 on: 24 Dec 2005, 01:43 »

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NO. PENDULUM ARE NOT GOOD ELECTRONIC ARTISTS. THEY ARE CHAVS ON CD. THEY EPITOMIZE REPETETIVENESS. THEY GIVE D'N'B A BAD NAME.


eh, they're not so bad. not my cup of tea at all (as far as dnb goes, i'm more into amens, reese bass and drum edit-y type stuff), but their production is superb. and hey, everyone's got to start somewhere. if it wasn't for quasi-populist drum and bass (roni size, ltj bukem and so on) then it'd be really hard for people to get into the music. like selling textbooks on fluid mechanics on a street corner (maybe not, but you get the idea)
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« Reply #34 on: 25 Dec 2005, 10:06 »

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because it needs mention ^_^: http://www.ishkur.com/music/


I really like that in Downtempo > Electronic Pioneers > Classical, Ishkur insists on calling the artist for the third sample "Wenwaldyter Carlos."  I've never heard that one before.

Yeah, there's a bit of lopsidedness in this list.  Where's that good Old School Prog. Techno that came out of artists like Kraftwerk and Isao Tomita?  And where the hell is the rest of Germany??
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« Reply #35 on: 25 Dec 2005, 10:28 »

His rather broad methods of classification make some subgenres quite hard to find. He's pretty comprehensive though.
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« Reply #36 on: 26 Dec 2005, 12:24 »

Everythings been covered, so I guess I'll just throw in my usual additions of:

Cornelius
Disco Biscuits
Isao Tomita
Lemon Jelly (I'm sure they've been mentioned)
Epsilon
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« Reply #37 on: 26 Dec 2005, 18:13 »

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NO. PENDULUM ARE NOT GOOD ELECTRONIC ARTISTS. THEY ARE CHAVS ON CD. THEY EPITOMIZE REPETETIVENESS. THEY GIVE D'N'B A BAD NAME.


They are fucking amazing at what they do, but I must admit I don't have alot of love for 'em. Drum n Bass that forgets it's supossed to be made from breakbeats generally doesn't excite me. Pendulum are pretty much the epitome of "Drum n Bass is just faster rave music" mindstate that pretty much owns DnB these days. Fo' Shame. Give me some early 90's Metalheadz any day.  Actually, I'm currently loving a subgenre known (possibly) as Twerk-step. However, that name is utterly rediculous, so I'm not sure if anyone actually calls it that. Think Microhouse / Tech House but with some lovely Amens.

Anyway, on to some lists

Techno - Booka Shade, Isolee, DJ Koze, Roman Flugel, Derrick May
IDM - Brothomstates, Lusine, Zainetica, Chris Clark, Machine Drum
Ambient - Reagenz, Carbon Based Lifeforms, Gas, Marsen Jules, Magic Sound Fabric
Breakcore / Amentalism - Venetian Snares, Bong Ra, Amen Andrews, Remarc, Shitmat
Drum n Bass - Bad Company, Klute, High Contrast, Metalheadz, Exile
Dubstep - Skream, Digital Mystikz, Scuba, Vex'd, Loefah
Grime - Plasticman, Wiley, Jon E Cash, Jammer, Ruff Sqwad
Tech House / Microhouse - Tomas Anderson, DJ T, Switch, Cirez D, Sami Koivikko
Breakz - Hybrid, Cut & Run, Evil 9, Plump DJs, B.L.I.M.

That's what I've been mainly listening to this year. It's all gravy.
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« Reply #38 on: 26 Dec 2005, 20:57 »

Oh damn, how could I forget Hybrid!  I love that artist!  Wider Angle Special Edition?  oh yeah.  My favorite part is those sexy ass bass lines they write from time to time...  "I Know" is perhaps one of my all time favorite electronic tracks.  

I wish I had an album by them... but for the life of me, it's next to impossible to get a disc by them here in the states.
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« Reply #39 on: 27 Dec 2005, 09:45 »

Aaah, bring on the (mostly from Bpitch Control) Tech-House:

-Ellen Allien
-Sascha Funke
-Smash TV
-T. Raumschiere
-Paul Kalkbrenner
-Akufen
-Crackhaus (the latter two being 100% Canadian Goodness)

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« Reply #40 on: 07 Jan 2006, 10:16 »

I had a quick look through here to see if anyone had mentioned this band but it doesn't seem like anyone has, apologies if I'm wrong.

Emotional Joystick

They rock!  I just got their album Bellicose Pacific and there are some amazing tracks on there, very emotional yet cool and electronic, like a joystick!
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« Reply #41 on: 07 Jan 2006, 11:39 »

Subgenres? No habla electronicahipster. Habla I-like-what-I-like-and-don't-care-about-the-rest.

The first album by Orbital.
"Are you shpongled" by Shpongle.
Then I've got an album with techno remixes of Hawkwind songs which is very good too.
Recently discovered: Ozric Tentacles (and going to see them.Woohoo).

Who mentioned Luke Slater by the way?
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« Reply #42 on: 07 Jan 2006, 12:35 »

I've said it before, but I'd like to say that i've been a fan of pretty much anything http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Price">Stuart Price touches.  Zoot Woman, Les Rhythmes Digitales, Paper Faces, Thin White Duke, Jacques Le Cont, production & remix work with the Killers, Missy Elliot, Juliet, Bis, Beck, Britney Spears, No Doubt...

edit: Oh yeah, forgot to mention producing Madonna's new album.
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« Reply #43 on: 07 Jan 2006, 16:20 »

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Then I've got an album with techno remixes of Hawkwind songs which is very good too.



Shitshitshit. What's it called?
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« Reply #44 on: 07 Jan 2006, 16:35 »

I am so suprised that no one's mentioned:

FISCHERSPOONER! (Seriously, what's wrong with you people, they're so sexy)
Miss Kitten
Felix da Housecat
The Crystal Method
Ladytron
RJD2
Kid Koala

I'm happy that I at least saw:
Ellen Alien
Squarepusher
Four Tet
Air
Daft Punk
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« Reply #45 on: 08 Jan 2006, 01:49 »

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Then I've got an album with techno remixes of Hawkwind songs which is very good too.



Shitshitshit. What's it called?


Hawkwind Future reconstructions-Ritual of the solstice. Dates back from 1996 but still sounds very good.
Let me know if you can't find it.

Link:
http://homepage1.nifty.com/hawkwind/japanesesite/exiles/hksolstice.html

And the cover:

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« Reply #46 on: 08 Jan 2006, 04:48 »

The Chemical Brothers are well worth a listen. They have done some great tracks down the years.
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« Reply #47 on: 08 Jan 2006, 10:40 »

Points to whomever mentioned Funker Vogt, their Execution Tracks are my fave.  The Faint in my opinion is a great electronic band although they lean towards more dance than anything.  Indeed I bought a Daft Punk album thinking it was going to be like The Faint and was disappointed that it wasn't.  A band you guys should definatly check out on myspace is called Beard Zero.  Their song Winter's Point will blow you away.
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« Reply #48 on: 08 Jan 2006, 12:34 »

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I am so suprised that no one's mentioned:


FISCHERSPOONER! (Seriously, what's wrong with you people, they're so sexy)
Miss Kitten
Felix da Housecat
The Crystal Method
Ladytron
RJD2
Kid Koala


I tend to put Kid Koala and RJD2 in the Hip Hop category, not electronic.  If we're opening up electronic to include hip-hop then that adds a big extra element.

Fischerspooner's not bad.  I think I prefer Odyssey to their first album, just because it doesn't sound so over produced.  I think Miss Kittin is good when she's not talking.  Felix da Houscat is okay when Miss Kittin isn't talking.  (Seriously. I like Miss Kittin sometimes, but a lot of times it sounds like she's just recording what she happens to be saying in the middle of a conversation.  She's okay when she's singing or rhyming).  

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I am so suprised that no one's mentioned:
I'm happy that I at least saw:
Four Tet


Yeah I saw Four Tet too and was less than impressed with his performance skills.  He didn't really have a good feeling for how to blend the tracks properly.
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« Reply #49 on: 08 Jan 2006, 12:49 »

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Disco Biscuits



Dude, I don't know what you're talking about, the Disco Biscuits are a jam band. They're amazing, but they're not really electronic.
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but the music sucks because the keyboards don't have the cold/mechanical sound they had but a wannabe techno sound that it's pathetic for Rammstein standars.
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