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« on: 29 Jan 2006, 11:32 »
hey kids.
i was just thinking about pop punk.
i used to love it when i was 11 (dude ranch, nimrod, life in general), before anyone let me in on the clash, ramones and stooges and stuff.
then naked blink-182, new found glory and good charlotte destroyed everything i'd fallen in love with.
now, i've discovered the buzzococks and ted leo.
i'd say they're sort of indie pop punk. i dont really follow music well enough to give a history or proper classification on these folks (and i'm sure someone here will right me), but what does everyone think of these folks?
also, my favourite pop punk band ever has to be face to face.they deal with issues like control, responsibility, and positivity, and really melodically. if anyone here has heard the album "don't turn away," let me know. cos i'd like to meet anyone else who thinks they're awesome.
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« Reply #1 on: 29 Jan 2006, 13:28 »
Erm...

Not trying to be insulting, but what is the point of this thread?

I'm not trying to crap on your little story, I just don't see what the aim of this thread is.
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« Reply #2 on: 29 Jan 2006, 13:32 »
I dunno if Ted Leo & The Pharmacists are pop punk, but they sure are awesome.
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« Reply #3 on: 29 Jan 2006, 14:28 »
Yeah. Fantastic group.
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« Reply #4 on: 29 Jan 2006, 15:42 »
descendants? those guys are good, you should check them out.
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« Reply #5 on: 29 Jan 2006, 19:58 »
The Buzzcocks are from like '79, I'm not sure if they can count as indie anything or pop anything, just plain old fashioned punk.

I saw Face to Face live once but they left no impression on me. I had just been hit in the face watching H2O open for them, and for a skinny kid from the North country getting hit is kind of a shock even at a punk show.

Actually there is a pop punk band that plays the local open mic night, but I haven't gotten to any of their real gigs. The idea of moshing with a bunch of 15-year-olds is not as appealing now that I'm 24 and achy and tired. I still like the music fine, I just can't do the scene, I might break someone. Or someone might break me. Anyone else have this age problem with their punk scene?
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« Reply #6 on: 29 Jan 2006, 21:12 »
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Not trying to be insulting, but what is the point of this thread?

I'm not trying to crap on your little story, I just don't see what the aim of this thread is.


lol, he's like one of those street hobos that, whilst your standing at light and stuff, stand next to and start talking and shit. Or that weird uncle who kind of speaks english, but it's mostly like conjunctive english words mixed in with another strange language, that sounds arabic but is really just garble.
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« Reply #7 on: 29 Jan 2006, 21:14 »
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Erm...

Not trying to be insulting, but what is the point of this thread?

I'm not trying to crap on your little story, I just don't see what the aim of this thread is.


it's difficult, i know.

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what does everyone think of these folks?

this question
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i'd like to meet anyone else who thinks they're awesome.

and that one.

i just had some vague feelings and ideas about what "pop punk" is.
i suppose i was just posing what i felt like the genre amounted to in my eyes, and asking what everyone thought of the bands in question, etc.

how about this:

What do you consider pop punk?

I'd say Face to Face and Blink 182 and Ted Leo all fall under the category, but each are different (stylisticly and in quality).

I mean, I could just search Wikipedia for a history, I just wanted to talk to real people about it.
guess i did it in a HURR way, though. cos i was listening to Don't Turn Away at the time and i was excited.
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« Reply #8 on: 29 Jan 2006, 23:22 »
In spite of my sig, I like one... no make that two pop-punk bands: Zombina & The Skeletons and Pretty Girls Make Graves.
At least I am told they are pop punk, I really don't get genres at all.

I have only heard one Ted Leo & the Pharmacists track Me and Mia which is pretty badass though I would it was more power pop than pop punk.
But then again as I said I don't get genres ;)
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« Reply #9 on: 29 Jan 2006, 23:40 »
okay.  seriously.

not pop-punk: New Found Blink Charlotte 41 etc.

pop-punk: Screeching Weasel, Jawbreaker, Teenage Bottlerocket, The Ergs, The Lillingtons, The Queers, A Radio With Guts, early Green Day, The Soviettes, Dillinger Four, The Mr. T Experience, Fifteen, Crimpshrine, The Apers, Bracket, The Broadways, Connie Dungs, The Eyeliners, Funsize, Nerf Herder, really early MxPx, Pinhead Gunpowder, Retarded, Scared of Chaka, The Smoking Popes, Softball, Teen Idols, The Vandervoorts, The Zatopeks, and more.

The Buzzcocks and Descendents are like "proto pop-punk", i suppose, and The Ramones were a huge influence on bands like Screeching Weasel and The Queers.
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« Reply #10 on: 30 Jan 2006, 07:06 »
awesome.

so what WOULD you consider all that bubblegum punk to be?

really, i still Love the album dude ranch. i'm a sucker for anything Mark Trombino produces.
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« Reply #11 on: 30 Jan 2006, 08:30 »
This thread needs more mention of the Undertones.

Bubblegum punk would be, I dunno, Zombina & The Skeletones - Taste the Blood of Zombina & The Skeletones. It's somewhat like the Misfits, if the Misfits were a female-fronted pop act.
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« Reply #12 on: 30 Jan 2006, 08:47 »
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so what WOULD you consider all that bubblegum punk to be?


the Good Charlotte/Fall Out Boy crap?  pop with power chords.  that applies to most of the stuff that gets called "emo" these days, too.
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« Reply #13 on: 30 Jan 2006, 09:25 »
^^ RAAAGH CURSE YOU KHAR YOU HAVE PRE-EMPTED MY UNDERTONES-MENTIONING.

Anyway, in addition to some of the bands mentioned here, with a few exceptions (Ted Leo? First time I've ever heard that one called pop-punk...) the Undertones are definitely worth checking out. There are some good tunes up on LimeWire.
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« Reply #14 on: 30 Jan 2006, 09:35 »
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Erm...

Not trying to be insulting, but what is the point of this thread?

I'm not trying to crap on your little story, I just don't see what the aim of this thread is.


it's difficult, i know.


No need to patronise me, dear.

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how about this:

What do you consider pop punk?


Punk with a catchy melody. That can be Buzzcocks. That can be Green Day. That can also be Pretty Vacant, because that stuck in the mind a lot.
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« Reply #15 on: 30 Jan 2006, 09:45 »
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Punk with a catchy melody.


That can also be New Model Army, The UK Subs or Cock Sparrer.

Try again?
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« Reply #16 on: 30 Jan 2006, 10:17 »
I've always defined pop-punk as punk with a more upbeat sound. It's a bit hard to define, looking at it side-by-side with the classic '77 bands like Menace, Slaughter and the Dogs, Cock Sparrer, and even some of the Defects' stuff, because they sport many of the characteristics I call pop-punk. Beside '80s-style hardcore and street/crust punk though, pop-punk is easy to find. And since, in my opinion, a large amount of the best pop punk bands came out of the same era as the hardcore bands, one can just let the '77 comparisons aside, because it in itself (again, in my opinion) was the base principle from which sprung hardcore,pop-punk, and all other branches. So, since I'm not judging pop-punk against '77 (which, as Khar pointed out, often had good melodies) I feel that basically, pop-punk would be punk, with an upbeat sound, actual singing more often than not, lighter lyrical topics than hardcore (and even most '77 - let's not forget "I Like Food," hard to get lighter than that) and some seriously hummable melodies to boot.
I also think that 80s pop-punk took a cue or two from hardcore.Whereas many '77 bands played a lot of open chords and Chuck-Berry inspired riffs and solos (essentially sped-up and ballsier 50s rock) pop-punk, as well as hardcore, stuck to power chords, and even faster tempos.
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« Reply #17 on: 30 Jan 2006, 11:20 »
the Descendents' Milo Goes to College album is a classic example of the line between pop-punk and hardcore being blurred.

just my two cents.

regarding full-on pop-punk, though, Screeching Weasel is a must-hear.
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« Reply #18 on: 30 Jan 2006, 14:18 »
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Punk with a catchy melody.


That can also be New Model Army, The UK Subs or Cock Sparrer.

Try again?


I don't know who any of those bands are, and therefore don't know why that requires a patronising 'try again.' If these bands have catchy melodies, then they can be considered pop punk as far as I'm concerned.

Pssst. This is the part where you laugh at me for not knowing who these people are.
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« Reply #19 on: 30 Jan 2006, 15:17 »
They're bands that really, really, really aren't pop punk.
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« Reply #20 on: 31 Jan 2006, 06:42 »
last nite i inflated casey chaos and then stuck a pin in him...

pop punk...

you know?...

POP.... PUNK...




POP???
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« Reply #21 on: 31 Jan 2006, 11:01 »
ImRonBurgundy? covered a hell of a lot and generally has excellent taste as far as this genre goes.
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« Reply #22 on: 31 Jan 2006, 11:42 »
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They're bands that really, really, really aren't pop punk.


Are they hardcore?

Because my point was that my definition of pop punk is generally different to others, because catchy, poppy melodies = pop, and add that to punk - even if it's hardcore - and you get pop punk in my book.

Note, it's only my book.
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