Topic: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!) (Read 24531 times)

jcknbl · « **on:** 09 Mar 2006, 13:59 »

Ok, so I have this friend. He's my best friend actual and I've known him for like 10 years. Unfortunately things have come between us: music that is.

Among his favorite bands listed on Facebook: Jack Johnson, OAR, Five for Fighting, Howie Day, Jamiroquai (wtf?), String Cheese Incident, Coldplay, Dave Matthews Band, Counting Crows, Gavin DeGraw, (non-ironically) Sean Paul, and wait for it...Creed.

Now that makes him seem too far gone but he does like some sorta-ok to good bands: Queen, the Beatles, the Shins, Atmosphere, Springsteen, REM, Hendrix, Kanye West, the Streets etc.

He also has considerable musical talent (much more than I have), at least in terms of instruments (piano, guitar, etc.) So is he beyond hope or can I save his musical soul? He's heard a bit of Deerhoof (my favorite band, but admittedly probably a bad place to start) and said it was "terrible". What sort of bands/records/songs should I try and introduce him to? Any genre is fine but somehow I don't think, say, Cannibal Corpse is the place to start.

ps. please don't start commenting on all of these bands. I realize some people like the bands I spoke poorly of and dislike the ones I mentioned as ok or good. The point is I'm pretty sure no one here likes ALL the bands I listed as bad so everyone can help.

Mikendher · « **Reply #1 on:** 09 Mar 2006, 14:02 »

Play Rebellion (Lies) for him (the arcade fire), specifically the part where it changes key. He'll probably catch on to that and be like "woah".

pat101 · « **Reply #2 on:** 09 Mar 2006, 14:05 »

While I second the Arcade Fire play, also sit down with him and watch Talking Heads "Stop Making Sense" DVD. I mean if he's not a fan after that he's hopeless.

PS. Nothing wrong with busting out some Jamiroquai

Misereatur · « **Reply #3 on:** 09 Mar 2006, 14:06 »

Let him listen to some Porcupine Tree.
I think that would help

Gryff · « **Reply #4 on:** 09 Mar 2006, 14:13 »

PUNCH IT OUT OF HIM. IT IS THE ONLY WAY

nescience · « **Reply #5 on:** 09 Mar 2006, 14:15 »

I say go historical. Start with the Velvet Underground and the Clash and go from there.

Gryff · « **Reply #6 on:** 09 Mar 2006, 14:16 »

A CLOCKWORK ORANGE HAS SOME GOOD IDEAS I THINK. START FROM THERE

rive gauche · « **Reply #7 on:** 09 Mar 2006, 14:21 »

Quote from: pat101

...sit down with him and watch Talking Heads "Stop Making Sense" DVD.

Pretty much.

Scandanavian War Machine · « **Reply #8 on:** 09 Mar 2006, 14:24 »

just have him watch Fullmetal Jacket. if he doesnt change his ways after that then hes hopeless and you'll have to put him down and get a new one.

Staralfur · « **Reply #9 on:** 09 Mar 2006, 14:30 »

How about letting the guy listen to music he likes? Sheesh.

Gryff · « **Reply #10 on:** 09 Mar 2006, 14:31 »

STARALFUR FRIENDS DO NOT LET FRIENDS LISTEN TO CREED

Staralfur · « **Reply #11 on:** 09 Mar 2006, 14:32 »

Listening to Creed isn't as bad as forcing your view of 'good music' onto other people.

jcknbl · « **Reply #12 on:** 09 Mar 2006, 14:34 »

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How about letting the guy listen to music he likes? Sheesh.

1. He's my best friend, ergo we hang out all the time. This generally includes driving in a car while listening to music.

2. It actually started with him mocking my music. The topic has begun to pop up in most of our conversations. At this point its unavoidable.

3. I don't see how introducing someone to music they havn't heard is forcing it on anyone. Any suggestion of holding a gun to his head was made in jest.

(Mostly)

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A CLOCKWORK ORANGE HAS SOME GOOD IDEAS I THINK. START FROM THERE

Quoted for hilarity.

E. Spaceman · « **Reply #13 on:** 09 Mar 2006, 14:38 »

Quote from: Staralfur

Listening to Creed isn't as bad as forcing your view of 'good music' onto other people.

Listening to Creed isn't as bad as being Stalin or Hitler. Aside from that you can't get worse.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #14 on:** 09 Mar 2006, 15:04 »

What, just like, list good music?

That would be insane.

But, make him listen to Placebo. It will improve his musical taste or horribly skew his sexuality. Either way, fun.

jcknbl · « **Reply #15 on:** 09 Mar 2006, 15:05 »

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What, just like, list good music?

Good music that someone who listens to bad music might be receptable to.

nescience · « **Reply #16 on:** 09 Mar 2006, 15:32 »

Quote from: KharBevNor

But, make him listen to Placebo. It will improve his musical taste or horribly skew his sexuality. Either way, fun.

Indeed, Placebo appeals to quite a wide variety of people who have never heard them before. And yes, it may turn your friend into a Burger Queen.

amok · « **Reply #17 on:** 09 Mar 2006, 17:24 »

I prefer Jamiroquai to all of your "sorta-ok to good" bands except Hendrix *shrug*

If you're intent on converting him to the genres you like, just play him the most popular/widely-regarded-as-good bands in each genre. If he rejects each and every one of them, give up and move onto another genre.

Say... Radiohead, Tool, Porcupine Tree and Anathema for arty/progressive rock. Clutch, Monster Magnet, QOTSA, Sabbath for straight rock 'n' roll. Decemberists, Ted Leo, that fuckin Sufjan Stevens and Neutral Milk Hotel for indie. Etc.

Captain Compromise · « **Reply #18 on:** 09 Mar 2006, 18:10 »

Uhh...try interpol?

Kai · « **Reply #19 on:** 09 Mar 2006, 19:41 »

Or we could totally not try Interpol.

Frank Zappa. Go for it.

Coonstar · « **Reply #20 on:** 09 Mar 2006, 21:05 »

Why Interpol? Why? No.

I do agree with the "go historical" bit. I think it's better to continually forcefully introduce a handful of "classic" bands that already have quite a chunk of work, rather than a whole bunch of new bands whom may just have like an album or so under their belts.

Bastardous Bassist · « **Reply #21 on:** 09 Mar 2006, 21:17 »

Quote from: Staralfur

How about letting the guy listen to music he likes? Sheesh.

Our opinions are right, and his are wrong. Is it really that hard a concept? Plus, you should totally find some insane prog, you should definitely "put on the most technically difficult song, and skip directly to the solo part" as outlined here on rule 6.

eyepatch · « **Reply #22 on:** 10 Mar 2006, 08:12 »

What's wrong with Interpol?

nihilist · « **Reply #23 on:** 10 Mar 2006, 08:40 »

Strap him to a chair and make him listen to Annie on repeat for 24 hours.

ozphactor · « **Reply #24 on:** 10 Mar 2006, 08:56 »

"If ever there's a girl who can rock your world, then that girl sure is ME!"

It's like a Pitchfork-approved Spice Girls. In other words, how can you not like it?

SailorPunk · « **Reply #25 on:** 10 Mar 2006, 09:05 »

Elvis Costello

ASturge · « **Reply #26 on:** 10 Mar 2006, 09:31 »

Buck 65!

Dyess · « **Reply #27 on:** 10 Mar 2006, 10:04 »

well he seems to like somewhat acoustic stuff so try some elliot smith.

Misereatur · « **Reply #28 on:** 10 Mar 2006, 11:04 »

Quote from: Staralfur

How about letting the guy listen to music he likes? Sheesh.

A real music fan wouldnt say that.

has this forum taught you nothing?!

Mr Blue Sky · « **Reply #29 on:** 10 Mar 2006, 11:08 »

Metric, Spoon and Neko Case should help. As for Creed, well, no one is perfect.

Mikendher · « **Reply #30 on:** 10 Mar 2006, 11:08 »

Bastardous Bassist: haha! that link gave me minutes of a laugh

Kai · « **Reply #31 on:** 10 Mar 2006, 11:46 »

Quote from: SailorPunk

Elvis Costello

Hellz Yeah.

Thrillho · « **Reply #32 on:** 10 Mar 2006, 15:21 »

Too far gone? WTF? He likes what music he likes. Leave the guy alone and stop trying to force your own bullshit on him.

Houdinimachine · « **Reply #33 on:** 10 Mar 2006, 16:20 »

I would just like to say, Dave Matthews Band isn't sucky as long as you cut him off at Everyday. Anything Everyday and after is complete bullshit since Dave stopped solo writing his work.

I still think Before These Crowded Streets is damn good stuff.

As far as stuff to introduce him to, try to ease him in to it a bit. Start with the Smiths and work your way up to Sufjan. Just, for all that is holy, AVOID PAVEMENT.

Gryff · « **Reply #34 on:** 10 Mar 2006, 16:24 »

Why? Steven Malkmus is King of all that is indie.
…Or at least he would be if he wasn't so damned lazy.

Also, hey, a post that not only knocks Pavement, but defends Dave Matthews. Congratulations, that's a stunner.

Houdinimachine · « **Reply #35 on:** 10 Mar 2006, 16:36 »

Quote from: Gryff

Why? Steven Malkmus is King of all that is indie.
…Or at least he would be if he wasn't so damned lazy.

Also, hey, a post that not only knocks Pavement, but defends Dave Matthews. Congratulations, that's a stunner.

Defends his earlier work.

PS: Pavement is not the end all of indy rock. I got more of a thrill from Pulp.

Coonstar · « **Reply #36 on:** 11 Mar 2006, 02:02 »

Quote from: eyepatch

What's wrong with Interpol?

As much as I love Turn on the Bright Lights (I listened to it every night for a whole year I think), if you want to suck somebody in your musical realm again it doesn't really make a lot of sense to introduce them to bands whom don't have much material or influence. It's more worthwhile to introduce them to "big names" whom could umbrella a bunch of styles more or had more bands influenced by them.

TrueNeutral · « **Reply #37 on:** 11 Mar 2006, 04:20 »

How about starting him on some grunge, and moving further into indie as you go? Some Pearl Jam will probably go over well to someone who likes Creed.

Misereatur · « **Reply #38 on:** 11 Mar 2006, 05:18 »

I'm gonna go with TrueNeutral, Pearl Jam would be great to get him out Creed and into good music.

TrueNeutral · « **Reply #39 on:** 11 Mar 2006, 06:17 »

Succes story: It worked to get me out of Nickelback and into good music.

And really, Nickelback is even worse than Creed.

JuniorBriano · « **Reply #40 on:** 11 Mar 2006, 07:35 »

Even worse than Creed. I wasn't aware that sentance existed.

Anyway try some Grandaddy.

BeoPuppy · « **Reply #41 on:** 11 Mar 2006, 08:18 »

Cruachann. Skyclad. Anything with a fiddle.

IronOxide · « **Reply #42 on:** 11 Mar 2006, 09:42 »

My Big Rule: Don't be an ass to your friend about it. He likes what he likes.

That being said, Cake is probably the least musically offensive stuff out there. Pretty much nobody minds them, most like them.

citylights · « **Reply #43 on:** 11 Mar 2006, 10:05 »

he likes what he likes...leave it alone...unless he comes over to your house, then maybe you can subliminally plant some seeds of whatever you think good music is.

me: play some new pornographers, arcade fire, stellastarr*, or cursive. postal service is a good bet too. maybe some bright eyes....

that's just me, though. he is a seperate person...so therefore, if he likes creed, he likes creed.

Kai · « **Reply #44 on:** 11 Mar 2006, 11:12 »

Quote from: BeoPuppy

Cruachann. Skyclad. Anything with a fiddle.

I wholeheartedly agree with this man/woman/person.

jcknbl · « **Reply #45 on:** 11 Mar 2006, 11:27 »

Houdinimachine,

Whats wrong with Pavement? I'm not saying I disagree I just find a lot of Pavement quite accessable and was planning to include some.

Thanks for all the great suggestions so far guys. I'm trying to put together a mix tape which I will share (along with what my friend thinks, which will probably be, "omg u suck")

I need to find myself some Skyclad though. Not carried at any local record stores I've looked at.

And re: everyone who thinks I'm elitist/an ass/whatever for trying to introduce my friend to some new music:

Shut up. This is my best friend, we're assholes to each other. We spend a lot of time together much of which includeds listening to music. He mocks my taste. The rhetoric about him "being too far gone" was obviously a joke. Its fucking music, k?

Kai · « **Reply #46 on:** 11 Mar 2006, 12:00 »

Skyclad are a bitch to find; I myself could only find them by pirating. I don't know why. Shittastical distribution deal, I guess. I think someone mentioned they're on iTUnes, which is pretty fancy. If you get just one, get Prince of the Poverty Line. It wins.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #47 on:** 11 Mar 2006, 13:00 »

Quote from: BeoPuppy

Cruachann. Skyclad. Anything with a fiddle.

KORPIKLAANI.

Cerulaetas · « **Reply #48 on:** 11 Mar 2006, 13:12 »

Quote from: Bastardous Bassist

Quote from: Staralfur
How about letting the guy listen to music he likes? Sheesh.

Our opinions are right, and his are wrong. Is it really that hard a concept? Plus, you should totally find some insane prog, you should definitely "put on the most technically difficult song, and skip directly to the solo part" as outlined here on rule 6.

Find some way to listen to Time Requiem - Brutal Metal. The title of the song is misleading, but it's pretty much the best song I've ever heard to apply to that rule. This is because the entire song is an instrumental solo wankfest that will either leave his/her ears bleeding from getting sandblasted by so much raw progness, or will convert him forever.

Also, jcknbl, my musical tastes disagree with yours. Therefore, as per the rules of musical taste, I must try to convert you to listen to what I listen to.

So, go out and buy immediately:
Therion - Vovin
Nightwish - Oceanborn
Finntroll - Nattfodd
Heavenly - Dust to Dust
Celesty - Legacy of Hate
The Old Dead Tree - The Perpetual Motion
Divercia - Cycle of Zero

Got it? Mkay, good.

BeoPuppy · « **Reply #49 on:** 11 Mar 2006, 13:36 »

Quote from: Kai

Quote from: BeoPuppy
Cruachann. Skyclad. Anything with a fiddle.

I wholeheartedly agree with this man/woman/person.

Man.

And their CD's are easy to find here, in the Netherlands ... plus... on line buying?

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Author Topic: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!) (Read 24531 times)

jcknbl

Mikendher

nescience

rive gauche

Staralfur

Staralfur

jcknbl

jcknbl

nescience

Captain Compromise

Coonstar

eyepatch

nihilist

ASturge

Dyess

Mr Blue Sky

Mikendher

Coonstar

TrueNeutral

TrueNeutral

JuniorBriano

citylights

jcknbl

Cerulaetas