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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: jeph on 17 Jan 2008, 17:24
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It's better than their earlier stuff, but still reeks of Mogwai/EitS.
Discuss?
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Filed under Nice Post-Rock. I'll give it another listen but I guess it's pretty forgettable seeing as I've listened to it a few times and can't think of anything more than 'nice' to say about it.
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I think it's miles ahead of their EP and is the best post-rock album since Mono's You Are There.
I don't think it sounds like Mogwai/EitS much, as it is far more ambient and not focused on building crescendos.
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I guess we're hearing different things, then, because to me it sounds like you took the production values and orchestration of Rock Action and mixed it with the melodic sense of The Earth Is Not A Cold Dead Place.
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Well, that is EitS's quietest album, so I can sort of see it. To me TWDY is more interesting, composition-wise, though. All of Earth is Not... just kind of blends together in my mind into an inoffensive but unambitious soup. I'm guessing what you mean by "Rock Action's production" is the level of glitchy-sounding things and the way the drums are handled, which is a valid observation I suppose but I don't think Mogwai pioneered that sound; for that I think you'd have to look all the way back to mid-era Tortoise and early Jessamine.
Maybe that's what I like so much about the album, that it reminds me more of those late-90s albums than it does the current standard post-rock sound. I also enjoy the segments which are somewhat reminiscent of Stars of the Lid.
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Oh absolutely, arrangement-wise it's far more varied than anything EitS has done thus far. That is in fact what reminds me most of Rock Action, which is incidentally Mogwai's most underrated album to my ears. But the actual notes being played, the melody and repetition, the builds, and ESPECIALLY the drumming, remind me of nothing so much as later-period EitS.
It's not a bad album, I'd be comfortable saying it's a very good album. It just hits the influence-button in my head pretty often, correct as that button may or may not be.
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I think Come On Die Young is technically the most underrated Mogwai album since many people go so far as to say it's actively bad, which just confuses me. "cody" and "Ex-Cowboy" are worth the price of the disc alone.
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I have a hard time thinking of ANY Mogwai album as "actively bad." Sure, some are better than others, but not a one fails to deliver for me on some level.
I still maintain that "Take Me Someplace Nice" is Mogwai's best song, but other people don't realize this because it isn't all hella distorted and rock-y.
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I guess I must be the only one that prefers Young Mountain over their self-titled? Maybe I just haven't given it a thorough listening.
Composition-wise, I think the stuff Explosions in the Sky does is brilliant. Even if it is two or three repeating melodies intertwined with each other. :|
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EiTS's biggest problem isn't their compositions, it's their instrumentation. When every guitar has the same tone and the drums are all recorded in the same way, the songs start to sound the same.
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The only problem I have with "Take Me Somewhere Nice" is that it is basically the same song as "cody", so it didn't really impact me much when I first heard it.
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EiTS's biggest problem isn't their compositions, it's their instrumentation. When every guitar has the same tone and the drums are all recorded in the same way, the songs start to sound the same.
I guess so. I don't really pay attention to the subtleties in tone and such. This is more than likely due to the fact that my ear is not trained enough to hear them. Then again, I'm paying more attention to the melodies and harmonies than what sorts of tones are being used, because that's generally how I enjoy music. I mean, it'd be a lot of fun to pick out the different kinds of tones or shapes the songs I listen to contain, but I'd still devote a good part of my attention to listen to the notes and stuff.
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The only problem I have with "Take Me Somewhere Nice" is that it is basically the same song as "cody", so it didn't really impact me much when I first heard it.
See, for me it is all of the quiet, sad Mogwai songs rolled into one and turned up to eleven. It's like distilled cocaine whereas Cody is coca leaf.
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Also I have no idea whether this says anything about the band or its music, but iTunes just went from the S/T to the Young Mountain EP and I didn't even notice.
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I'm the opposite, I think "cody" is the aural equivalent of soma, the alleged ancient Hindu "perfect drug". The only better "sad" Mogwai songs are "Hunted By a Freak" and "Stanley Kubrick".
All this said, Mr. Beast is still my favorite album of theirs as a whole.
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It's weird, having seen them live- I used to think Young Team was tops, but their somewhat lackluster performance of "Mogwai Fear Satan" and their utterly crushing renditions of "Ratts of the Capital" and "My Father My King" (best encore ever) make me prefer their later stuff.
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I have never understood people who think Young Team is the pinnacle of their career.
The two times I've seen them, both on the Rock Action tour, they didn't do anything pre-CODY and they really, really destroyed. I don't much like the overlong recorded version of "My Father My King" because the just-right live version was still fresh in my mind when it came out.
I saw a homemade of them on the Mr. Beast tour and they were the epitome of confidence and execution.
I guess the thing about Young Team for me is that it's a mess. Sure, everyone knows "Like Herod" is the business, but a full 75% of the album is them trying out different things, most of which never made it onto future albums at all. And as the band themselves will readily admit, the version of "Summer" on there is complete crap when compared to the Ten Rapid version.
"R U Still In 2 It?", however, may very well be one of the most depressing songs I know, but its effect would be diminished if it hadn't been Aidan Moffat doing the vocals. I used to not even be able to listen to that song because it would send me into a crushing depression worrying about whether my girlfriend at the time would leave me, or that I would die and she would move on to forget me (4 years later, she did in fact leave me, in a completely horrible and crushing way, so it was prophetic).
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That's funny, because the encore version of MFMK was easily 10-20 minutes longer than on the EP. It was insane. Would've ruined their set if it hadn't been the encore, but made a perfect follow-up to the set proper.
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They played a 40-minute one-song encore?
I'd have to see it to believe it could hold my interest. There's such a thing as "too much" sometimes.
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When every guitar has the same tone and the drums are all recorded in the same way, the songs start to sound the same.
You're going to have a problem with my band, dude. I rock it Mackaye-style.
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But over the course of FOUR ALBUMS your tone knobs will probably get wiggled one way or the other.
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I'm pretty sure EitS have them glued in place.
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I guess I could buy one of those knob-turners from Neil Young.
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Man, this is my favourite thread in the Music forum ever. You guys are expressing everything about Mogwai (and EitS/TWDY/etc...) that I cannot possibly put into words. Thank you!
I was always in the Young Team court, but as of lately, I'm moving more towards Rock Action. Mogwai Fear Satain will always be my favourite song of theirs, but 2 Rights Make 1 Wrong has become a very close second...
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Rock Action is so, so fine. Incredible album from start to finish.
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While I don't dislike anything on Rock Action I think that its brevity (37 minutes or so IIRC) makes it suffer. I know it's a silly thing to complain about, but to me it feels more like an EP than an album proper. What I like most about Mr. Beast is that it is both fairly short and perfectly done by having no songs exceed 6 minutes and many under 4 minutes.
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Your sig is especially evocative in this thread.
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But it's alright to masturbate to Mogwai, right? ...Right?
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When did it not become alright to masturbate to Mogwai?
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I think Come On Die Young is technically the most underrated Mogwai album since many people go so far as to say it's actively bad, which just confuses me. "cody" and "Ex-Cowboy" are worth the price of the disc alone.
If it's any consolation, that's the only one I really like.
I've never whacked it to any of their CDs though, so I guess I'm a pretty bad Mogwai fan anyway. :-D
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I only jerk off while listening to Wolf Eyes.
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I only jerk off while listening to Wolf Eyes Black Dice.
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I only jerk off while listening to Wolf Eyes Beethoven.
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I only jerk off while listening to Wolf Eyes "1234" on repeat.
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guys, the best sad Mogwai song is the Kid Loco remix f Tracy
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This thread is about masturbating now. Get with the times.
(Yes that remix is pretty good.)
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Apparently Stuart from Mogwai has a habit of greeting fellows by grasping them firmly about the man-basket.
Matt from Get Him Eat Him (OtterErotic) told me this so it must be true!
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Hahaha.
I did actually talk to Stuart once. The second time I saw them, at the 40 Watt in Athens, while Bardo Pond was playing he was just sitting on a bench like anyone else, and I whispered to my girlfriend and buddy "Holy crap, that's him, right there. That has to be him."
So I went up between songs and admittedly I had been drinking and was quite stoned already, and I was like "Excuse me, but aren't you Stuart Brathwaite?" He was sitting alone so I didn't feel like I was imposing much. He kind of mumbled "Eh... aye..." and I said "Just wanted to say hey, loved you guys last night in Atlanta, looking forward to tonight's set, don't let these idiots get you down" (NOTE ABOUT THE 40 WATT CLUB: No matter what show you see there, it is filled with hipsters who have loud conversations while completely ignoring the band, it is a horrible place to see a band you really care about) and he said something which I vaguely remember as being "Don't worry, we'll shut them up" and gave a little grin, and I was like "Right on" and went back to my companions.
Also after Mogwai was done us three went around back and caught Bardo Pond and I was by that time drunk enough to totally gush about how fucking amazing I think they are, and asked Isobel if she remembered me from years ago because we have a mutual friend from Austin named Lee, and I SWEAR TO GOD she smiled and said "Yeah, totally man, Lee is free, right?" And we had a nice little chat. I'm pretty sure Bardo Pond were all on some heavy psychedelics that night because her pupils were the size of dinner plates.
Good times.
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This thread should be retitled. Great discussion by the way.
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guys, the best sad Mogwai song is the Kid Loco remix f Tracy
I'm gonna say We're No Here.
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My Mogwai boner's more like a priapism.
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I'm gonna go right ahead and say; I have never listened to mogwai. Which of thier albums would you recommend to a mogwai noob?
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I'd probably either start with Young Team or Mr. Beast. Both induce very long and hard boners on a first listen.
Don't forget to get drunk and masturbate to them!
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Are you guys being serious about this? I mean, I knew a guy who masturbated over frost's (black metal drummer) work...
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Don't forget to get drunk and masturbate to them!
watch out for whiskey dick though, they might get offended
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Of course we're being serious about this.
We're serious about everything.
All the time.
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I'm gonna go right ahead and say; I have never listened to mogwai. Which of thier albums would you recommend to a mogwai noob?
I'd say Happy Songs For Happy People. It's not my favorite, but it's my second favorite and I think it's the most accessible balance of their various sounds.
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Heh, I don't mind how accessable it is. Just the best...But thanks, I will try and get some of these. :-)
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Happy Songs, Mr. Beast, Young Team are all good starting points.
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For a very long time, I considered Mogwai's EP+2 their best release. It's actually around the same length as Rock Action so it pretty much qualifies as an album. It seems to often get overlooked in their catalogue (as does the 4 Satin EP) which is a shame.
Can't wait for the new one, The Hawk is Howling.
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I think I just got a boner in anticipation of the next album.
Will that work?
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Can't wait for the new one, The Hawk is Howling.
HOLY FUCKING SHIT WHEN DOES THIS COME OUT!
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Mogwai says "early Autumn" for the new one.
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What a fuckin' great album title.
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I only jerk off while listening to Hannah Montana songs on repeat.
Fix'd. Honestly, I think Feist sounds a bit too old for your tastes, Jack.
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It's just so hard to jerk off to Hannah Montana knowing that her dad is Billy Ray Cyrus. Every time I'm about to shoot, I start hearing "Achy Breaky Heart" and it totally ruins the moment.
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Oh, I forgot that Hannah Montana is not your pedo-lust fodder of choice. She's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephanie_%28LazyTown%29) obviously more your speed.
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I swear it's just the pink hair.
I can't resist a girl with pink or blue hair. Ever. Fact.
It's genetic! I didn't choose to be this way!
ps dye your hair blue plz, k? thx
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Wait, when you masturbate to mogwai/hannah montana are you masturbating over the music or the people?
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The album art for the new album just leaked!*
(http://www.questionablecontent.net/images/hawkishowling.png)
*off my desktop
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That's quite clever, really
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That would be totally perfect. You should send it to the band.
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Speaking of awesome artwork, I just pre-ordered the vinyl for the This Will Destroy You album that this thread was originally about.
This is the cover:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/jesusvsthepolice/thiswilldestroyyou.jpg)
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That is so good that I do not mind that it is also terrible.
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needs moar orcs
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Not a contender for Album Cover Of 2008.
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needs moar orcs
or dragons
or dragon orcs (orc dragons?)
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Not a contender for Album Cover Of 2008.
It has already won, my friend.
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(http://www.questionablecontent.net/images/hawkorc.png)
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It has already won, my friend.
Really? You don't think it's trying a bit too hard?
The thing about a tacky nature shirt that's striking is that it's usually simple. Eagle flies in front of American flag. Family of wolves is framed in close-up against the night sky. A moose drinks from a majestic mountain stream. A Native American chief stands atop a cliff while lightning strikes in the distance.
The sky has silhouettes of an eagle, a cougar and a wolf. A wintry forest scene is shown in the bottom quarter with a cougar standing atop a rock. A gigantic streak of lightning cleaves the sky in twain. "THIS WILL DESTROY YOU" appears in bold font mimicking the American flag.
It took me four sentences to describe that whereas each of the four previous shirts took like ten to twelve words. I appreciate the idea but the execution is way too busy, even for an ironic nature image. If they could have maybe picked two of the four sentences it would have worked.
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It's interesting because the "THIS WILL DESTROY YOU" is at once both the reason why it is over the top, and the essential element that makes it into any sort of attempt at reaching said top in the first place.
Edit: in retrospect I should probably just not go on these forums when I am this stoned.
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dude posting stoned is awesome what are you on about
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I like it. It's more complex than the old stuff, but you'd still be able to know it's them after, like, 5 seconds. You know how they're always on the ambient/rock line? This one leans away from the former.
Random marginalia: My friend Allie manages them.
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Really? You don't think it's trying a bit too hard?
Listen: This ain't your typical tacky nature shirt. This is a photographic manifestation of your impending ruin. The lone howling wolf; the cougar staring intently off into the distance; and the proud, noble eagle -- all powerful images on their own, but they form together and realise their true potential for devastation.
The cougar is not merely standing atop a rock. He is surveying with sated gaze his newly conquered domain. He is the fulcrum of the Predatory Trinity, whose potential for annihilation is aquainted with no peer. When they converge the lightning strike is merely a harbinger of the pure destructive force about to be loosed upon your poor, unsuspecting soul.
This Will Destroy You is no longer the name of a band, it is a fucking warning.
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dude posting stoned is awesome what are you on about
yeah the last time I posted sober was some awful geeky shit in the computer forum
sobriety is for communists 420 post stoned everyday
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What are Mogwai like? Whats a good album to start listening to?
Also, wish i had some weed :(
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KJSDF:LKJSD we just went over this last page! Read the topic!.
The consensus was either Young Team, Mr. Beast, or Happy Songs for Happy People.
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I like how 3 or their 5 studio albums (not counting soundtracks and EPs here) were decided upon as their best.
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needs moar orcs
or dragons
or dragon orcs (orc dragons?)
Dorcs.
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Flawless performance, Nodaisho.
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!
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I swear it's just the pink hair.
I can't resist a girl with pink or blue hair. Ever. Fact.
It's genetic! I didn't choose to be this way!
ps dye your hair blue plz, k? thx
I'll dye my hair blue when you let me and the ten other teenage girls out of your closet and stop forcing us to dress up as Sailor Moon and listen to Bruce Springsteen.
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That certainly gives a new meaning to "I let all my pets free".
So baby, you know, you should sleep with me. Just sayin'. It's mighty cold in the basement.
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Flawless performance, Nodaisho.
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!
C:/Documents and Settings/My music/ffvictory.mp3
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zerodrone:
This (http://www.realdoll.com/cgi-bin/snav.rd?action=viewpage§ion=frealdoll) + a blue wig = problem solved
You can heat her, er, it up to 300 degrees, you know. I think she's more your type anyway, considering that she never will resist your advances or call the police on you.
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But you never resist my advances! Plus, she/it is a lot more expensive than you. :-)
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WEBCEST ALERT
(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/8176/klaxon3bl0.jpg)
WEBCEST ALERT
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[img width= height=]http://questionablecontent.net/images/bill2.jpg[/img]
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Guys I just wanted some advice. I have never gotten a boner for Mogwai! Is this normal? I feel somehow incomplete!
What should I dooooooo?
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I picked up Come On Die Young, and I really just can't get into it.
I FEEL YOUR MOGWAI IMPOTENCE PAIN.
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See I thought it had something to do with my inferior female anatomy. I was kind of hoping Mogwai would somehow override that and give me boners anyway and was wondering why this hadn't happened.
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i discovered the hard way that i shouldnt listen to mogwai on the bus (pun intended)
especially as i was standing next to an old woman. she watched me rise like bread in the oven, and needless to say, she was impressed.
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There just isn't a bad place to put that Bellichek picture, jeph. It's just not possible
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it is the best macro
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he is so disappointed in webcest
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WTF is webcest you fags.
You guys have webcest reacharounds all the time, but OH, if it's between a girl and a boy, suddenly it's LOLtasitc!
Psh.
(http://www.alzmedia.com/images/anims/yourallgay.jpg)
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BREAKING NEWS: Mogwai are reissuing Young Team.
That wet squelching noise you just heard is Jeph spontaneously blowing a load in his jeans. His lady is unimpressed.
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Only if they remaster it.
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They are remastering it.
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/news/48167-mogwai-reissue-iyoung-teami-for-tenth-anniversary
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*splooge*
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It would be fucking stupid if the bonus tracks aren't Ten Rapid.
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i almost bought a Mogwai cd today. but then i remembered that i'd never heard Mogwai and decided to buy something i already knew i liked instead. gotta be fiscally responsible, ya know?
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There is almost no way that your purchase was more worthwhile than whatever Mogwai CD you'd been looking at.
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well, i didn't know if Mogwai would be my style or not. they play post-rock, right? post-rock is extremely hit or miss for me. some i hate, some i love. i didn't wanna risk it. i'm not the gambling type.
besides, i went there with the specific intention of buying another cd anyway.
in case it's important, the two they had were Mr. Beast or something, and one with a longer title and some guys face on the cover.
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Eh, Mogwai play "post-rock" in the same sense you would say that Pink Floyd played "rock". They don't have what you probably think of as a "typical post-rock sound". They are definitely heavier at times and also have more of a sense of song structure and, for lack of a better way of putting it, are more "rock" than "post-".
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well shit, that sounds good to me.
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in case it's important, the two they had were Mr. Beast or something, and one with a longer title and some guys face on the cover.
That other one would have been Come On Die Young.
And if you hadn't realized from previous posts, it would be better to start with Mr. Beast if you only had those two options
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i just amazoned it because that didn't sound right and the other one was actually Zidane: A 21st Century Portrait
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Zidane is awesome.
(http://newmedia.funnyjunk.com/pictures/Zidane-headbutt.gif)
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Ah, I wouldn't have expected it to be that film score. And plus, Come On Die Young has some guy's face on it too. Your record store tricked me! How dare they
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wait, that headbutting guy is Zidane? a post-rock record about some dude who's obviously made of steel? that sounds pretty awesome.
and by pretty awesome, i mean fucking fantastic.
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It's the soundtrack to a biopic about Zidane, and Mogwai, being big football fans, did the soundtrack for it. It's their weakest album, but it's not bad at all.