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Comic Discussion => QUESTIONABLE CONTENT => Topic started by: Kugai on 13 Sep 2009, 21:25
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Just because I can :-D
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Just because you can dosnt always mean you should...
Of course if you hadn't then i wouldn't have had an excuse to act all autoritarian :police:, so whatever...
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Just because you can dosnt always mean you should...
Of course if you hadn't then i wouldn't have had an excuse to act all autoritarian :police:, so whatever...
Leave the authoritarian to Jeph, thanks.
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Just because you can dosnt always mean you should...
Of course if you hadn't then i wouldn't have had an excuse to act all autoritarian :police:, so whatever...
If Kugai hadn't, someone else would've.
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Just because you can dosnt always mean you should...
Of course if you hadn't then i wouldn't have had an excuse to act all autoritarian :police:, so whatever...
If Kugai hadn't, someone else would've.
And if somebody doesn't jump off a bridge, does that mean someone else would anyway? :?
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You misspelled September.
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And if somebody doesn't jump off a bridge, does that mean someone else would anyway? :?
Of course. Bridges don't have any other use.
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Of course. Bridges don't have any other use.
But can you not also burn bridges?
And What aside from bridges burns?
And What aside from wood and bridges floats?
enough of that bullshit...
:evil:BURN THE WITCH!!!!
Also, very small rocks.
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"Ballistic Charity" would be a mediocre name for a rock band, but "muffins are the most accurate" would make a dynamite out-of-context quote.
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But can you not also burn bridges?
And What aside from bridges burns?
And What aside from wood and bridges floats?
enough of that bullshit...
:evil:BURN THE WITCH!!!!
Also, very small rocks.
Well, that's a completely different kind of bridge.
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Burning bridges? My mother loves Kelly's Heroes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A3F8v_APhw).
I was watching Jeph drawing tonight, and I thought Fay looked like a pitcher winding up for a fastball in the second panel. Am I a bad person because I'm giggling at the though of hippies dropping to the call of "Steeee-rike!"?*
*I never played baseball, or even softball, so I've probably got it all wrong.
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Faye sharing the surplus baked goods with Angus, awwww!
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Cue the Angus haters in 3, 2, ...
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OH GOD ANGUS IS SUCH A SPINELESS IDIOT WHY IS HE STILL HERE FAYE SHOULD BE THROWING THE FOOD AT HIM.
Disclaimer: not my opinion at all. Angus is an OK guy. Sure, he can be stupid at times, but I don't think he ever means to act annoyingly.
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Sure, he can be stupid at times,
As can we all, let he who is without sin throw the first muffin.
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Wow, Angus' jaw looks so deformed in the last panel. I assume Jeph was trying to draw him with food in his cheek, but it just looks like he has the massive overbite.
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Good to know that she's being encouraged to share.
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Wow, Angus' jaw looks so deformed in the last panel. I assume Jeph was trying to draw him with food in his cheek, but it just looks like he has the massive overbite.
I do not think he was trying to draw him with food in his mouth... it makes sense that he would have swallowed that bite he took previously. I think it was just a slight over-extension of the jaw. I actually did not notice it until you pointed it out and now I cannot stop noticing it. Damn you!
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I take it them hippie guitar players near the coffee shop fancy themselves minstrels at a Ren faire. Never a good thing.
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'specially when they insist on singing along in true whiny Bob Dylan fashion ...
Beyond these doors is an agony worse than all others. You will remain in here for eternity listening to ... whiny protest songs from the Sixties.
(thank you Animaniacs!)
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First it's assault with dairy products, now pastries.
Faye is Teh Food Ninja.
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Re: sharing with Angus:
Anyone else get the impression that the old baked goods were stale and as hard as rocks?
Faye may not be making progress emotionally ...
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He was able to bite and chew, so they couldnt have been that stale, probably would be considered day-olds.
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THIS COMIC IS SO MEAN TO HIPPIES LEAVE THEM ALONE JERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRKZZZZ
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This is Faye we are talking about Drill King. I am sure she is like that to everyone, it just so happened that group was closest. I dunno. I am speculating at this point. Muffin throwing is fun...withing reason :-D
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I miss when Faye was super mean and insulting to Angus. I guess this is development since she went to visit him after accidentally not inviting him out to drinks, but... I still want Faye to be her generally over the top, hilarious, insulting self.
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I miss when Faye was super mean and insulting to Angus. I guess this is development since she went to visit him after accidentally not inviting him out to drinks, but... I still want Faye to be her generally over the top, hilarious, insulting self.
I do not. It's good that she's not being a bitch to her friends (or at least who certain people perceive to be friends) and instead directs anger towards the hippies across the street. Nice Faye > Mean Faye.
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Hmmm not to mention charitable. In her own way of course. :-D
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This is strange - all the people again swearing at Angus while he is intelligent funny does not give up easily and is generally OK. Sven on the other side is exactly the kind of skillless rich bastard who can effortlessly charm women and at whom i would probably have a hard time not to spit if i met him, yet if he shows the smallest ammount of non wire-insulation-spine he is instantly adored even by some of his opponents.
WTF??
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Today's comic looks like it's on the roof of CoD. I think that's the first time we've seen that.
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This is strange - all the people again swearing at Angus while he is intelligent funny does not give up easily and is generally OK. Sven on the other side is exactly the kind of skillless rich bastard who can effortlessly charm women and at whom i would probably have a hard time not to spit if i met him, yet if he shows the smallest ammount of non wire-insulation-spine he is instantly adored even by some of his opponents.
WTF??
I agree that is does not make sense... but that does not mean I do not like Sven better than Angus. Perhaps it is because he was never aloof and then learned a lesson, we are still waiting to see his big flaw. Most of the characters are generally reasonable except for that one thing that is their flaw.
Marten: sometimes a bit of a pussy
Dora: incredibly insecure
Faye: violent/unpredictable
Hanners: ocd freakouts
Sven is a major manwhore, but he always knew this, and up until Faye it never got in the way of his happiness. Now he is learning. With Angus, I guess he is mostly just a bit whiny. Oh and then there was that time he drank real milk and had gastrointestinal horror all over their COD bathroom.
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I guess no one cares that he misspelled September in the thread title.
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I guess no one cares that he misspelled September in the thread title.
You obviously do, since you've posted twice to draw it to our attention. :laugh:
I don't think it can be fixed, so why sweat it? All life is imperfect y'know.
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Oh and then there was that time he drank real milk and had gastrointestinal horror all over their COD bathroom.
20 seconds of nose scrunching, mouth open, laughing-through-nose set aside, that's a funny ass memory. xD
I've personally noted that the QC characters in general seem bulkier/wider. Just 200 strips ago everyone was skinny. You'll especially notice the difference with Marigold and Faye.
It's also good to see the bearmonster shirt being brought back.
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I guess no one cares that he misspelled September in the thread title.
Let he who is without typo throw the first bottle of white-out(?)...or something.
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This is strange - all the people again swearing at Angus while he is intelligent funny does not give up easily and is generally OK. Sven on the other side is exactly the kind of skillless rich bastard who can effortlessly charm women and at whom i would probably have a hard time not to spit if i met him, yet if he shows the smallest ammount of non wire-insulation-spine he is instantly adored even by some of his opponents.
WTF??
Interesting slant - all Sven's negatives, all Angus' positives.
Both Sven and Angus are intelligent and funny. "Does not give up easily" can be a positive or negative trait. In this case it's "does not give up easily even when the girl repeatedly told you she wasn't interested". How is Sven skill-less? Sven's abiding fault is having had the world too easy, and not caring enough about any female in particular to say no to the next bit of ass which came along. For which habit he's been justly served. Sven is interesting because he made a journey - I wouldn't have liked it at all if Faye became his doormat. I like that he's suffered a slap in the face from the cold wet towel of regret. I'd _prefer_ a positive ending, but the story doesn't need Sven and Faye together for their relationship to have caused positive developments to both parties, and for Sven to be a better, likeable person as a result.
I dislike Angus for how he was introduced. "Hi - I come to this coffee shop because I get off on your insults. No, I mean, really get off. I'm practically coming in my pants here."
Yeah, an exaggeration, but that appeared to be what was being implied, and it slimed him over with such a layer of ick that his current portrayal does nothing to wash him clean. As for his current portrayal: well, he's kind of boring. Now that everyone appears to have forgotten his masochistic early appearances, he doesn't appear to have any faults, any abiding interests, anything ... I give him props for being nice to Marigold, but at the same time, he's such a friend to Marigold that it takes Faye, Hanners, Dora etc to actually get Marigold out and socialising.
Marigold is way more interesting.
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I guess no one cares that he misspelled September in the thread title.
You obviously do, since you've posted twice to draw it to our attention. :laugh:
I don't think it can be fixed, so why sweat it? All life is imperfect y'know.
It can and was fixed as soon as I came Online and read this - which was about ten minutes ago
Some of us actually have a life Offline Akima.
Well, at least she isn't using Pastry Mass Drivers. :D
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Ok.
I think Angus is getting slagged for stuff that he's not actually guilty of. When he was first introduced, he was presented as "argument guy" he didn't even have a name. And yes, he was annoying, but he has never been creepy stalker dude. On the other hand, Hanners, who actually WAS stalking Marten is cute little OCD girl, and is loved by everyone, cast and fan alike.
Which brings us to Sven. Sven is a fucking, shit-eating douchebag asshole. It doesn't matter if he's attractive, and never had to be considerate of other peoples fellings to get laid, he's an asshole. Faye told Sven that she would end their arrangement if he went with someone else and what did he do? That's right, he broke that limit the first time an oppurtunity presented itself. He knew it was wrong, (you see, the Author, through use of the thought bubble, chose to let the Audience, us, know what Sven was thinking when he was banging Gina) he knew Faye would be upset, he knew she wouldn't sleep with him after that, yet he did it anyway. Faye's feelings, and whatever arangement they had, was not worth giving up a random one night stand. The only part of Sven's behavior that's remotely admirable is that he Told on himself, but only after Lydia threatened to do it anyway. That doesn't change the fact that he was wrong.
Sven is a cad, and Angus is getting slagged because he's not Sven.
Has Angus ever hit on Faye at CoD? No. He has flirted with her, but that's not the same thing. He did hit on her at the bar ONE TIME and she threw him across the room. Did Faye tell him to never come to CoD again? NO. Did she ask him to stop flirting with her? NO. Did he hit on her after the bar episode? NO. He even had a relationship with someone else and stopped coming to CoD ON HIS OWN. And this isn't even taking into account that all of this happened A WHILE AGO! Not only in real time, but in comic time as well.
The point I'm trying to make is this: Faye seems to be able to tolerate Angus, (which for Faye is saying a LOT!) why can't people on the forums.
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akronnick, that is probably one of the best arguments ever
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Hmmm pastry mass drivers. This has possiblities. :-D
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akronnick, well said.
I've more or less said this myself, but never so succinctly. My hat, if I was wearing one, would be off to you.
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Has Angus ever hit on Faye at CoD? No. He has flirted with her, but that's not the same thing. He did hit on her at the bar ONE TIME and she threw him across the room. Did Faye tell him to never come to CoD again? NO. Did she ask him to stop flirting with her? NO. Did he hit on her after the bar episode? NO. He even had a relationship with someone else and stopped coming to CoD ON HIS OWN. And this isn't even taking into account that all of this happened A WHILE AGO! Not only in real time, but in comic time as well.
Yeah, Angus doesn't behave like that at the moment and anyone picking up the comic right now would see that Faye chats to him and would have no idea that he used to come into the coffee shop and engage in a kind of verbal masturbation with her, much to her disgust. Thankfully he's stopped acting like that.
Yet Sven - openly regretting his behaviour - is a douche forever apparently.
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Well, at least she isn't using Pastry Mass Drivers. :D
Or bug butter.
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lol, there aren't going to "Lez out", but are they going to "Lez in"?
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I would say that I hope this comic finally puts to rest all the Marigold/Hannelore romance speculation, but that would probably be wishful thinking.
You wish Jeph. Their reaction means nothing. You forget that the first stage is denial...
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Yeah, Angus doesn't behave like that at the moment and anyone picking up the comic right now would see that Faye chats to him and would have no idea that he used to come into the coffee shop and engage in a kind of verbal masturbation with her, much to her disgust. Thankfully he's stopped acting like that.
Yet Sven - openly regretting his behaviour - is a douche forever apparently.
Forever? no. But redemption takes more than simply regretting his actions and saying he's sorry, He has to actually change. He hasn't had an oppurtunity demonstrate any new caring for other's feelings. All he has done is try to make things less awkward FOR HIM, because HE feels bad.
Also: annoying someone =/= cheating on someone.
The worst thing Angus ever did to Faye was bug her. Sven threw Faye under the bus for a one-time fling.
Angus has never knowingly violated Faye's limits, and when he did and she let him know, he got back within them immediately.
Sven not only knowingly, but explicitly violated Faye's trust. He has to earn his redemption, not simply ask for it.
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I hope Jeph wrote that comic to make fun of adolescent male gamers. It would be terrible if he had to waste a comic to dispose of shippers.
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Marigold should switch from voice activation to press to speak. :)
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OMG! Did U C Marigold blush?! She totes WANTS 2 lez out wit Hanners!!111!!!!
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Meanwhile, back in the real world ...
Did Marigold fart again? Cause Hanners almost looks like she's making the zombie face in the last panel.
akronnick ... amen to ALL that!
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Dang - Jeph just voided all the FanFic :D
maddness, I think she just swallowed that stick she was sucking on.
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I would say that I hope this comic finally puts to rest all the Marigold/Hannelore romance speculation, but that would probably be wishful thinking.
Oh Jeph. Don't you know that you have only fanned the embers, that such a straight denial means to many that it must be true? The hopes of millions thousands hundreds tens? shall live on, emboldened by your efforts to stomp them out.
Disclaimer: None of the above views, including whether or not fire exists, are intentional. Any similarity to actual views is purely coincidental and in no way reflect on the writer.
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What exactly does Hannelore have in her mouth?
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Pocky.
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Hannelore is munching upon Pocky, a long-time popular children's and teenagers' snack of japanese origin. At its simplest, Pocky are hard-baked sweet bread sticks dipped in chocolate or strawberry frosting (for the basic flavours).
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I can't believe anyone would ever defend the actions of either Angus or Sven, especially after all their various crimes against humanity have been documented in stunning detail during the Sven/Angus faction wars.
Angus is a goddamn creepy masochist weirdo who probably has an incomplete woman suit and a Faye shrine in his basement and bears more than a passing resemblance to Ducky from Pretty In Pink, behaviour-wise. His continuing efforts to woo Faye are pretty much entirely fueled by Faye abusing him at every given moment, which he interprets as romance. He responds in kind by repeatedly displaying his astoundingly feeble grasp on the intricacies of the human mind with stuff like the snowball incident, which made me briefly suspect that he was some kind of lizardman from Neptune infiltrating the ranks of the Earthlings. Like Ducky, he will no doubt one day have a complete mental breakdown when the object of his desires moves on with her life and starts dating again (hopefully not with Sven again, unless she has some kind of crippling neurological problem) and will no doubt last be seen shouting "SEE?! I'M DATING SOMEONE ELSE" from the rooftops with his arms around a realdoll, even though any romantic under/overtones in his "relationship" with Faye were purely imaginary.
Sven, on the other hand, starred prominently in one particular Questinable Content strip where he lamented the fact that he was having sex with Gina Riversmith and how he couldn't possibly stop himself or else his debilitating sexlexia would surely kill him dead. Also later he was depressed for months(?) because he didn't get away with it. His latest endeavors feature him trying to pretend he's humble in another effort to boost his own already massive ego, the gravitational mass of which may at any moment collapse into a black hole.
In the future of Questionable Content I can easily see either/both of them stabbing someone. Possibly each other, with any luck.
Just let it go, guys. This is like a console war between the Virtual Boy and the N-Gage.
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...Hanners almost looks like she's making the zombie face in the last panel.
But is she making the near Zombie face because of the prospect of "lez[zing] out" with Marigold, or is it the prospect of NOT "lez[zing] out" that is upsetting her?
I know, I'm going to hell for that observationwords about angus and sven
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I can't believe anyone would ever defend the actions of either Angus or Sven, especially after all their various crimes against humanity have been documented in stunning detail during the Sven/Angus faction wars.
Angus is a goddamn creepy masochist weirdo who probably has an incomplete woman suit and a Faye shrine in his basement and bears more than a passing resemblance to Ducky from Pretty In Pink, behaviour-wise. His continuing efforts to woo Faye are pretty much entirely fueled by Faye abusing him at every given moment, which he interprets as romance. He responds in kind by repeatedly displaying his astoundingly feeble grasp on the intricacies of the human mind with stuff like the snowball incident, which made me briefly suspect that he was some kind of lizardman from Neptune infiltrating the ranks of the Earthlings. Like Ducky, he will no doubt one day have a complete mental breakdown when the object of his desires moves on with her life and starts dating again (hopefully not with Sven again, unless she has some kind of crippling neurological problem) and will no doubt last be seen shouting "SEE?! I'M DATING SOMEONE ELSE" from the rooftops with his arms around a realdoll, even though any romantic under/overtones in his "relationship" with Faye were purely imaginary.
Sven, on the other hand, starred prominently in one particular Questinable Content strip where he lamented the fact that he was having sex with Gina Riversmith and how he couldn't possibly stop himself or else his debilitating sexlexia would surely kill him dead. Also later he was depressed for months(?) because he didn't get away with it. His latest endeavors feature him trying to pretend he's humble in another effort to boost his own already massive ego, the gravitational mass of which may at any moment collapse into a black hole.
In the future of Questionable Content I can easily see either/both of them stabbing someone. Possibly each other, with any luck.
Just let it go, guys. This is like a console war between the Virtual Boy and the N-Gage.
Man that is an awful lot of typing to make the point that we should be less invested in our totally meaningless internet argument.
Also. I've never seen Pretty In Pink
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Just let it go, guys. This is like a console war between the Virtual Boy and the N-Gage.
Man, Virtual Boy would totally win. The N-Gage was yet another phone that played games, but the Virtual Boy was unique. Though, both of their creators were in bad car accidents, one of which killed a great mind and the other killed a great car.
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I've something to say about Tunahead's (? Christ, all the embedding) post, but, as it may derail the WTC train (god forbid) I put it in another thread. Those interested can tune in, while those not interested in films released, judging by the age poll thread, before they could distinguish colors can avoid it.
http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,23874.0.html
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I would say that I hope this comic finally puts to rest all the Marigold/Hannelore romance speculation, but that would probably be wishful thinking.
Oh Jeph. Don't you know that you have only fanned the embers, that such a straight denial means to many that it must be true? The hopes of millions thousands hundreds tens? shall live on, emboldened by your efforts to stomp them out.
Disclaimer: None of the above views, including whether or not fire exists, are intentional. Any similarity to actual views is purely coincidental and in no way reflect on the writer.
Agreed
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lol at Hannelore eating pocky.
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Good to see that Marigold's guildmates are as socially aware as some of the people on this forum (subtle hint - people of the same [or even the opposite] gender can hang out without banging each other or wanting to).
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As far as laying to rest rumors of a Hanners+Marigold romance, I think the fart did that most effectively.
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There was actually Hannelore/Marigold romance speculation?
Forgetting for a second that Hannelore's repressed urges have thus far all been heterosexual, it would take a bunch of behavioral therapy before she could even think about romance with anyone, much less a person for whom hygiene is not a high priority.
It's hilarious how stupid and puerile men can be about sexuality though, especially anonymously on the internet.
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I would say that I hope this comic finally puts to rest all the Marigold/Hannelore romance speculation, but that would probably be wishful thinking.
Oh Jeph, you know it totally doesn't. In fact, it probably brings to light the whole subliminal thoughts everyone had but didn't know. Until today. This probably has opened up a whole new floodgate of "OMG HANNERSxMARIGOLD = MY OTP!!!" ideas.
That's ok though. Cause now everyone here can vicariously live through Marigold's raid members and just speculate and imagine and daydream about it.
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Good thing Marigold's using headphones, because with the way she's blushing, if Hannelore had heard it, her head would have likely asploded.
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I joined up because of a need to comment on all the Hannelore/Marigold discussion, but have been shy, and have been holding back.
Something about the nature of the discussion has been bothering me. If either Marigold or Hannelore were male, would shippers of the pairing be automatically labeled as perverts and puerile males?
And on another note, there can be romance without sex. It usually doesn't work that way, but there is such a thing as a romantic friendship.
I just think that they are very sweet together. They seem to sort of mesh, weirdly enough. And I do tend to look at the world through rainbow-tinted lenses.
Really, why is it that some of you are reacting as if there is something so WRONG about the pairing? Sure, a few may be hankering after it because 'lesbians are hott, OMG', which is, admittedly, a bit annoying. Does that taint the very idea of it?
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Because shippers tend to obsess over their ship. And when Hannelore is involved the obsessed people just get creepier.
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Pocky.
But...Pocky is for men :D
http://www.dieselsweeties.com/archive/1170 (http://www.dieselsweeties.com/archive/1170)
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It's hilarious how stupid and puerile men can be about sexuality though, especially anonymously on the internet.
It's not only men, but men say rather "I WANT THEM SEXIN" while women rather go "OMG CUTE COUPLE KAWAIII". Also, women prefer Yaoi to Yuri. Sad thing is there are much more relation-shippers than friend-shippers.
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I think the MarigoldxHannelore shippers are creepy, because there is no hint of romance there to begin with. They're just two socially awkward nerds, being socially awkward and hanging out. The romance is totally invented out of nowhere.
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Because shippers tend to obsess over their ship. And when Hannelore is involved the obsessed people just get creepier.
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Because shippers tend to be perceived as obsess over their ship. And when Hannelore is involved the perception of the obsessed people just get creepier.
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I think the MarigoldxHannelore shippers are creepy, because there is no hint of romance there to begin with. They're just two socially awkward nerds, being socially awkward and hanging out. The romance is totally invented out of nowhere.
Well, that's what shipping is about. :roll:
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I think the MarigoldxHannelore shippers are creepy, because there is no hint of romance there to begin with. They're just two socially awkward nerds, being socially awkward and hanging out. The romance is totally invented out of nowhere.
That doesn't make it creepy, it just makes it stupid off-base speculation. But it's still just speculation. About something that the comic's story is about: relationships.
And when more people have completely off-base ideas about where the comic goes... well, that's just more money for everyone else in the pool.
...I MEAN
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I would say that I hope this comic finally puts to rest all the Marigold/Hannelore romance speculation, but that would probably be wishful thinking.
The powerful reaction of Hannelore and Marigold to the suggestion of a lesbian relationship action obviously demonstrates how totally turned on they both are by the prospect.
They're just two socially awkward nerds, being socially awkward and hanging out.
Everyone knows that palpable awkwardness is the mating call of the North American nerdling.
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Whether or not Jeph wants Marigold+Hannelore to go away, fact remains that Hanners kinda seems to like being around Marigold
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There are several things about the Marigold/Hanners shipping trend that weird me out, and a few things that piss me off. I'll start with what pisses me off: the fact that both Hanners and Marigold were for no apparent reason assumed to be gay. The reasons they were assumed to be gay were borne of sexist and homophobic reasoning and stereotyping respectively (that is to say, Hanners of sexist reasoning and Marigold of homophobic stereotyping). People look at Hannelore, and because she's not constantly hitting on/flirting with/having wild rampant sex with any male members of the cast, and because she has reacted negatively to physical interactions with (coincidentally) only male characters, it's assumed that she must like girls instead. While all conventional reasoning, combined with her brief history of displaying that she is in fact very sexually attracted to men, points to her severe OCD as the culprit, we instead opt to believe that she must be a lesbian because somehow, in our subconscious minds, we are incapable of seeing women outside of a sexual context or in any context which may, itself, put them beyond the bounds of sexuality. With Marigold, on the other hand, it's the opposite. Marigold, right from her introduction, was shown as being unhygenic, slovenly and abrasive. In other words: not ladylike. And, as the stereotype goes, effeminate men are gay, and uncouth women are lesbians. And what pisses me off was that apparently in the minds of many (not just the shippers), her demeanor was more of an indication of her sexuality than the fact that she thoroughly enjoys man-on-man.
The other aspect of it is how it was almost just assumed from the second that they started hanging out that they had to be romantically involved. I may be being overly analytical here, but I believe that this in itself also stems from some inborn conception we have of women as purely sexual beings. While no one seems to challenge the assessment that Marten and Steve or Wil and Sven are purely friends, the first (second, but I'll get to that) female-to-female friendship instantly earns thoughts that they must be attracted to each other (the real first being Dora and Faye, with it being repeatedly established that Dora actually is attracted to Faye, just not beyond physically).
So in short (for once from me...), the reason I take issue with HannelorexMarigold is because I feel it's not just an issue of thinking they'd be cute/hot together, it's from the unsubstantiated idea we have that it could actually happen, and the reasoning we use to get there. Notice that I say we because I don't mean exclusively the shippers (nor do I mean everybody, or even necessarily most people).
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There are several things about the Marigold/Hanners shipping trend that weird me out, and a few things that piss me off. I'll start with what pisses me off: the fact that both Hanners and Marigold were for no apparent reason assumed to be gay. The reasons they were assumed to be gay were borne of sexist and homophobic reasoning and stereotyping respectively (that is to say, Hanners of sexist reasoning and Marigold of homophobic stereotyping). People look at Hannelore, and because she's not constantly hitting on/flirting with/having wild rampant sex with any male members of the cast, and because she has reacted negatively to physical interactions with (coincidentally) only male characters, it's assumed that she must like girls instead. While all conventional reasoning, combined with her brief history of displaying that she is in fact very sexually attracted to men, points to her severe OCD as the culprit, we instead opt to believe that she must be a lesbian because somehow, in our subconscious minds, we are incapable of seeing women outside of a sexual context or in any context which may, itself, put them beyond the bounds of sexuality. With Marigold, on the other hand, it's the opposite. Marigold, right from her introduction, was shown as being unhygenic, slovenly and abrasive. In other words: not ladylike. And, as the stereotype goes, effeminate men are gay, and uncouth women are lesbians. And what pisses me off was that apparently in the minds of many (not just the shippers), her demeanor was more of an indication of her sexuality than the fact that she thoroughly enjoys man-on-man.
The other aspect of it is how it was almost just assumed from the second that they started hanging out that they had to be romantically involved. I may be being overly analytical here, but I believe that this in itself also stems from some inborn conception we have of women as purely sexual beings. While no one seems to challenge the assessment that Marten and Steve or Wil and Sven are purely friends, the first (second, but I'll get to that) female-to-female friendship instantly earns thoughts that they must be attracted to each other (the real first being Dora and Faye, with it being repeatedly established that Dora actually is attracted to Faye, just not beyond physically).
So in short (for once from me...), the reason I take issue with HannelorexMarigold is because I feel it's not just an issue of thinking they'd be cute/hot together, it's from the unsubstantiated idea we have that it could actually happen, and the reasoning we use to get there. Notice that I say we because I don't mean exclusively the shippers (nor do I mean everybody, or even necessarily most people).
Dude, chill. You're taking way too much time and reading way too much into something which is just wishful thinking, so much so you're going completely off the deep end (pretending Hanners and Marigold are lesbians and squeeing about it is homophobic?! WAT.)
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Whenever I see the two of them hanging around I can't help but think of that old show The Odd Couple (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af1h4ibpKJA). (You know, the one where the guy has to go live with his friend for a while because his wife kicked him out, except one's a slob and the other's a neat freak?)
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lol, there aren't going to "Lez out", but are they going to "Lez in"?
There are indeed numerous directions to choose from. "Lez up" could be another possibility. "Lez forward," if you want to try to think in 4-dimensional terms as well. I assume tachyons would be involved in some way.
But no lezzing in any dimension though? Drat, I'd always held out hope that this comic would get good some day. Oh well. :lol: :wink:
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I probably should have clarified my point of view to avoid the whole sounding crazy thing: My problem isn't with the idea that they'd make a cute lesbian couple (which is true... I mean come on...), it's in how the idea got formed. My problem is that the first whisper of anything between Hanners and Marigold came from the assumption a lot of people made that Marigold was a lesbian (and I do remember it, it did happen). If you look at the other situations in which people wanted characters to get together (Marten/Faye, Marten/Dora, Faye/Sven, Faye/Angus etc.), they were all heavily hinted at before they happened. My point is that this one isn't, but that the way in which the idea permeated our consciousness was itself homophobic and sexist.
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Although the look on Marigolds face when it was brought up in Voice Chat was priceless. :laugh:
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... and because she has reacted negatively to physical interactions with (coincidentally) only male characters, ...
Minor correction; Faye hugged Hanners until she passed out from the anxiety of contact.
Maybe that's not a negative reaction?
Could it have been Faye's squishy pillows?
The world may never know...
and I may never care. It's one of those "possible alternative developments" that this script is full of. there are soooo many roads Jeph has not taken, and most are more interesting than the Hanners/Marigold thing. I'm content to let him surprise me, daily, with what he does decide to do.
And I'll be laughing my ass off, like today, in the process.
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I started shipping when they started reading and watching yaoi together, since I know of three lesbian couples that started out that way. And in one of those cases, both girls considered themselves to be, and still identified as, heterosexual. Still being assumptuous, I know, but I'm going on a established pattern, at least.
But, like parrallel lines, they shall never touch. Well, maybe hold hands. If they are wearing gloves. Otherwise, not happening.
One thing though, that I think Jeph ought to explore, is that devoted yaoi fans have a bad habit of shipping men that they know in real life. Trust me on this, I'm one of them, I move in their circles.
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One thing though, that I think Jeph ought to explore, is that devoted yaoi fans have a bad habit of shipping men that they know in real life. Trust me on this, I'm one of them, I move in their circles.
I guess you only fantasize about your fantasies.
God, that sounds stupid now that I typed it.
Obviousman strikes again!
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While no one seems to challenge the assessment that Marten and Steve or Wil and Sven are purely friends, the first (second, but I'll get to that) female-to-female friendship instantly earns thoughts that they must be attracted to each other (the real first being Dora and Faye, with it being repeatedly established that Dora actually is attracted to Faye, just not beyond physically).
Well Jeph made it glaringly obvious for all those male characters that they are interested in women and gave them particular ones to obsess over. Possibly because Hanners and Marigold are not as interested in romantic affairs people are desperately trying to find where they fit.
Everyone seems to want all the characters nicely paired off. Except for Angus, who can be eaten by an allosaurus.
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I think the MarigoldxHannelore shippers are creepy, because there is no hint of romance there to begin with. They're just two socially awkward nerds, being socially awkward and hanging out. The romance is totally invented out of nowhere.
THANK YOU.
jesus, people
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Jeph, this is your comic and wherever you take your characters/creations is, in the end, up to you and we will follow because we love the comic and the characters you have created. :)
Speculation/'shipping/creepiness like this is, either fortunately or unfortunately, is not going to go away until the storyline gets to a point where such is just plainly ridiculous and those that continue it only end up looking like complete morons. (and yes, I do include my own little stint a while back).
The best that can be said of it is that, in the end, it will go away - unfortunately moving on to something else, if/when it comes up.
Now, as a fan of Shoujo-Ai/Yuri while not being as creepy as some can be (yes, I know, I know :D ) I can enjoy the fun part of such speculation now without going overboard (again).
As for the others - well, let my three day ban for last time be a lesson to you all.
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I think the MarigoldxHannelore shippers are creepy, because there is no hint of romance there to begin with. They're just two socially awkward nerds, being socially awkward and hanging out. The romance is totally invented out of nowhere.
THANK YOU.
jesus, people
Well yes, but that's usually the case with shippers, so I don't see why people are getting bent out of shape over this case.
All that shippers need is attractiveness of the two characters and/or tension between them so they can totally misconstrue it as sexual tension and/or similar/opposite personalities to make it interesting. That's all. They don't need anything to actually be there when they can imagine it for themselves.
In this case, the two characters have at least the last two in the bag: tension (neat vs clean, etc.) and opposites (well, same as tension) and the first maybe (I like Hannelore, but Marigold is too much of a stereotype for me, albeit a gender flipped one).
Sorry Jeph, but you can't work your way out of this, any more than J.K. Rowling could with the Remus/Sirius/Severus idiocy. Just stop worrying about it, please. That goes for all of you.
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I just want to say that I only just now saw the title of Tuesday's comic. I LOL'd.
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I think the MarigoldxHannelore shippers are creepy, because there is no hint of romance there to begin with. They're just two socially awkward nerds, being socially awkward and hanging out. The romance is totally invented out of nowhere.
This is exactly like Bleach shippers I swear.
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I started shipping when they started reading and watching yaoi together, since I know of three lesbian couples that started out that way. And in one of those cases, both girls considered themselves to be, and still identified as, heterosexual. Still being assumptuous, I know, but I'm going on a established pattern, at least.
But, like parrallel lines, they shall never touch. Well, maybe hold hands. If they are wearing gloves. Otherwise, not happening.
One thing though, that I think Jeph ought to explore, is that devoted yaoi fans have a bad habit of shipping men that they know in real life. Trust me on this, I'm one of them, I move in their circles.
I'm with you on all points... Its pretty clear that Jeph didn't intend their friendship to be taken that way, but having had enough straight friends who happened to develop romantic feelings for a close female friends...its all to easy (and too fun) to take it that way. On the lesbian/straight argument, lets not forget, some girls like girls and boys. Personally, I could accept H. or M. as bisexual, or straight but totally attracted to that one random girl. I would be confused if either of them were revealed to be lesbians.
Please yes, yaoi speculation from the characters! Hilarity!
And for the record, not everyone on the H/M ship is a pervy male. I'm a chick, and I've said from day one that they'd be totally adorable together. Honestly, they're my favorite questionable contenct ship since...well, possibly ever. Just sayin'. :P
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I think the MarigoldxHannelore shippers are creepy, because there is no hint of romance there to begin with. They're just two socially awkward nerds, being socially awkward and hanging out. The romance is totally invented out of nowhere.
THANK YOU.
jesus, people
Being socially awkward nerds, they will now decide the path to boyfriends is a little practice at conversation with guys. They take turns playing the male victim and things get out of control from there...
Just yanking Jeph's chain kidding.
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How is it possible that Marigold hasn't had a single boyfirned? She's young, moderately attractive, nerdy (more guys like that than will admit it) and her hygiene problems are overlookable. In my experience, as long as a girl isn't in KILL IT WITH FIRE territory, she can find a guy, it's just a matter of lowering one's expectations.
But then, seeing the way she allocates her time, it's probably a lack of the negligible effort it would take.
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Has it ever really been stated she hasn't? Other than one thing Faye said.
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Y'know, in my head I'm hearing Marigold's voice as Koyomi's American dub voice, from Azumanga Daioh. It just fits somehow.
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And Marigold socializes online with girl-starved guys. There must have been many attempts to pick her up.
Doesn't it look like Jeph has Hannelore and Marigold on a trajectory to become close buddies?
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Has it ever really been stated she hasn't? Other than one thing Faye said.
see today's comic
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I rather like this storyline. It's handling their platonic relationship in a realistic, mature fashion; giving some of the fans what they want without actually pandering to them.
Granted, it started with a fart joke...
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It's actually pretty upsetting that some people may still decide to ship these two after this.
Just because they don't fit into the hetero-normative coming-of-age formula doesn't mean they're secretly in love! Relationships aren't always the answer to everyone's problems. In fact, they often exacerbate things!
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I am gonna ship the hell out of Dora and Marten...wait
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In reality, Merigold would be the hottest chick a nerd could ever imagine.
And they're seriously girl-starved, too.
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In reality, Merigold would be the hottest chick a nerd could ever imagine.
QFT.
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The last two comics have actually made me LOL like crazy. I love Hanners expression in the last panel.
I'm seeing this end with some agreement to both help each other get some boy lovin'.
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I'm seeing this end with some agreement to both help each other get some boy lovin'.
Blind leading the blind? I think they both know they'd be no help to the other in that arena!
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I'm seeing this end with some agreement to both help each other get some boy lovin'.
I strongly doubt that, unless Hanners gets over her serious physical contact issues, there is just nothing you can do.
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And Marigold socializes online with girl-starved guys. There must have been many attempts to pick her up.
Looks like she either rejected or ignored all those attempts, most likely because she doesn't want a male version of her for a boyfriend. Or at the very least none of those guys really interested her.
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And Marigold socializes online with girl-starved guys. There must have been many attempts to pick her up.
Looks like she either rejected or ignored all those attempts, most likely because she doesn't want a male version of her for a boyfriend. Or at the very least none of those guys really interested her.
Good point - and she's into Yaoi, so she's probably more attracted to the good looking, well groomed, suave type... not the sort you're likely to find on most MMORPG's!
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I am gonna ship the hell out of Dora and Marten...wait
Man I hope one day they hit it off, they're a match made in heaven
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I loved this comic.
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And Marigold socializes online with girl-starved guys. There must have been many attempts to pick her up.
Looks like she either rejected or ignored all those attempts, most likely because she doesn't want a male version of her for a boyfriend. Or at the very least none of those guys really interested her.
Good point - and she's into Yaoi, so she's probably more attracted to the good looking, well groomed, suave type... not the sort you're likely to find on most MMORPG's!
Yep, to have a chance at that type, she'd have to turn off the computer, take a shower, get her hair done, get a new wardrobe (including more stylish glasses or maybe dump the glasses entirely for contacts), and most importantly, go outside more often, to the bars and other places where these guys are likely to hang out.
Oh yeah and she'd probably need to hit the gym too.
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.....Sorry Jeph, but you can't work your way out of this, any more than J.K. Rowling could with the Remus/Sirius/Severus idiocy. Just stop worrying about it, please. That goes for all of you.
Now, I'm not completely certain about this because I haven't seen where this was said, but I have a friend who has told me that J.K. Rowling has come out and explained the situation between Remus and Sirius (I'm not even touching the Severus bit of that, because, um, ew!) and... honestly, it makes more sense that a children's author already being criticized by the churches would have to leave the relationship between those two men as friendship - aside from some subtext that could help arguments. In fact, it also seems to me that several concepts of the books wouldn't have worked unless Remus and Sirius were indeed in a relationship; but that's all a different universe.
HOWEVER. Unlike with the multitudes of those who believe in Remus/Sirius, there was, I repeat, subtext that referred to the possibility. Whereas with Hannelore and Marigold, there is nothing.
They hang out. It's annoying - and seriously more than a little bit sad - that Hannelore can't have a single friend without people (both online observers and random canon MMORPG players) assuming there is OMFGGAYSECKS involved.
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suddenly remembered the man-bot Hannelore got from her dad. Dunno why, but I could see Marigold learning about it and wanting to..experiment. If nothing else, if it fails as a companion she can play WoW on it.
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(including more stylish glasses or maybe dump the glasses entirely for contacts),
Why ?? Glasses are a practical item , and big frames have a better field of vision (my own experience) therefore changing would be quite a dumb idea.
Also wearing contacts is difficult if one has astigmatism, since then they have a strange shape which does not go in well
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Sudden i find myself thinking that Hanners, despite her stated issue may suddenly feel inspired to try and meet someone (remember that little snippit with her and the guy that smiled at her from accross the room? Imaging if she had, like, SAID something!!!). I know evidence to suggest something like this would be particularly likely, but the shippers created thier demented little fantasy with less supporting evidence.
SHIPPING IS BAD M'KAY!
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(including more stylish glasses or maybe dump the glasses entirely for contacts),
Why ?? Glasses are a practical item , and big frames have a better field of vision (my own experience) therefore changing would be quite a dumb idea.
Also wearing contacts is difficult if one has astigmatism, since then they have a strange shape which does not go in well
Hey I'm all for glasses myself, and hate contacts (don't like anything touching my eyeballs). I'm just acknowledging that many people don't like glasses themselves, and can be less attracted to someone wearing them.
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yeesh, tell me about it. besides, don't you know the classic 90s movie formula?
nerdy girl - glasses = hot girl
... though i am still not POKING MYSELF IN THE EYE for fashion purposes, and i also really like my glasses.
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In reality, Merigold would be the hottest chick a nerd could ever imagine.
QFT.
Marigold is into Quantum Field Theory? Cool!
I love Hanner's expression in panel 4. It kind of reminds me of Tessa from Full Metal Panic in her ditzier moments.
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QFT is a three-letter abbreviation with multiple meanings, as described below:
* Quantum field theory, the theory of quantum mechanics for field-like systems
* Quantum Fourier transform, a discrete Fourier transform
* Quantitative feedback theory
* Queen's Film Theatre, a cinema in Northern Ireland
* "Quoted For Truth" - an acronym commonly used on internet forums.
* "Quit Fucking Trying/Talking" - also an acronym used on internet forums, mostly gaming.
* "Quite Fucking True" - another acronym used around the internet.
* "Query Form Type" - Name for query forms
* "Quirky Fag Tree" - Pretty obvious
Also, HAH at the last one.
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I'll start with what pisses me off: the fact that both Hanners and Marigold were for no apparent reason assumed to be gay. The reasons they were assumed to be gay were borne of sexist and homophobic reasoning and stereotyping respectively (that is to say, Hanners of sexist reasoning and Marigold of homophobic stereotyping). People look at Hannelore, and because she's not constantly hitting on/flirting with/having wild rampant sex with any male members of the cast, and because she has reacted negatively to physical interactions with (coincidentally) only male characters, it's assumed that she must like girls instead. While all conventional reasoning, combined with her brief history of displaying that she is in fact very sexually attracted to men, points to her severe OCD as the culprit, we instead opt to believe that she must be a lesbian because somehow, in our subconscious minds, we are incapable of seeing women outside of a sexual context or in any context which may, itself, put them beyond the bounds of sexuality. With Marigold, on the other hand, it's the opposite. Marigold, right from her introduction, was shown as being unhygenic, slovenly and abrasive. In other words: not ladylike. And, as the stereotype goes, effeminate men are gay, and uncouth women are lesbians. And what pisses me off was that apparently in the minds of many (not just the shippers), her demeanor was more of an indication of her sexuality than the fact that she thoroughly enjoys man-on-man.
So... as far as I know, that's all stuff you made up just now, rather than actual reasoning we've seen written down from the Marigold/Hanners people.
Just sayin'. Nice wall of text, though.
I think the MarigoldxHannelore shippers are creepy, because there is no hint of romance there to begin with. They're just two socially awkward nerds, being socially awkward and hanging out. The romance is totally invented out of nowhere.
THANK YOU.
jesus, people
Once again, that just makes them mistaken. It's not inherently creepy to be wrong about something.
To my knowledge no group of shippers for a male/female pairing have been characterized as "creepy" on this board, at least not to nearly the same extent as this.
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The joke in today's last panel is very similar to a joke in the scrubs episode "My Big Bird".
The garbage man says to Turk and JD, "You can guess how many times a day I get thanked."
Turk says, "Six."
Garbage man says, "Off by six."
Turk says, "Twelve!"
Garbage man says, "I can see how they outsmarted you."
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... though i am still not POKING MYSELF IN THE EYE for fashion purposes, and i also really like my glasses.
I love my glasses too. Glasses are sexy.
And the poking yourself in the eye thing freaks me out too, but you get used to it.
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So... as far as I know, that's all stuff you made up just now, rather than actual reasoning we've seen written down from the Marigold/Hanners people.
Just sayin'. Nice wall of text, though.
Do I really have to go through this again? Okay... imagine a universe where no one was putting Marigold/Hanners together but everything else on this forum that's been said had still been said, I'd still have the same feelings for the same reasons. Or, to almost verbatim state what I already said, it is not the fact that people put Marigold and Hanners together, it is the fact that both characters' sexualities were questioned (by people who were largely not shippers) to an extent that I've never seen before with any other characters. Like Jeph himself just said, there was no hint of a romance between the two. But this isn't so much because they don't like each other or because there's some sort of external obstacle preventing them from being together, it's the fact that they're both very definitively into guys. Now one might argue that the shippers are merely acknowledging but overlooking this fact for some wishful thinking, and they probably are, but to say the idea itself sprung out of nowhere, or to say that it was just too cute not to think of, is ignoring the fact that there were massive debates on Marigold's sexuality when her obsession with man-on-man should've settled it. And I seem to recall there were dozens of people who thought she was a lesbian without any genuine indication. So unless you're going to tell me that that manufactured ambiguity had nothing to do with the number of people who suddenly thought "Hey, I know, Marigold and Hanners!" you're not really making a point.
And just to clarify in case anyone else, shipper or not, feels the need to defend the shippers against me, don't bother because you're arguing against a point I didn't make. I do not, repeat do not, have a problem with the shippers, but rather in the formation of the idea before any actual shipping was suggested.
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Good comic! My favorite part was Marigold's expressions in panels five and six, and Hanners' in panel six.
God Bless the Clueless!
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yeesh, tell me about it. besides, don't you know the classic 90s movie formula?
nerdy girl - glasses = hot girl
... though i am still not POKING MYSELF IN THE EYE for fashion purposes, and i also really like my glasses.
Hmm, it need not to be for fashion purposes - contacts are useful for sport (which i do not do) and they do not interffere with putting on welder's goggles (which i do , occasionally )
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Yes! Today's comic cracked me up! I loved the facial expressions, especially panel 6. Jeph, you get better every time you draw. Thanks!
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Do I really have to go through this again? Okay... imagine a universe where no one was putting Marigold/Hanners together but everything else on this forum that's been said had still been said, I'd still have the same feelings for the same reasons. Or, to almost verbatim state what I already said, it is not the fact that people put Marigold and Hanners together, it is the fact that both characters' sexualities were questioned (by people who were largely not shippers) to an extent that I've never seen before with any other characters. Like Jeph himself just said, there was no hint of a romance between the two.
Yeah, well, that's not how it happened at all. What happened was this (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1243), which prompted not-100%-baseless (sure, it didn't go anywhere, but it's also how it could have started if he had meant for such a thing to happen) Hanners/Tai speculation, which was transferred to this.
And anyway, what do you mean "both characters' sexualities were questioned" - it's kind of a homophobic attitude to say that someone not (originally - obviously they are by now) established either way is to be automatically presumed straight and anyone who doesn't share that assumption is "questioning it".
Nobody ever gets denounced as creepy for thinking a character might be straight.
ignoring the fact that there were massive debates on Marigold's sexuality when her obsession with man-on-man should've settled it
Why should that have settled it?
I started shipping when they started reading and watching yaoi together, since I know of three lesbian couples that started out that way.
There were people even at the time citing that, and not your made-up thing about her hygiene, as evidence for Marigold being a lesbian.
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I am gonna ship the hell out of Dora and Marten...wait
EEEEWWWWW ... CREEPY SHIPPER!
I don't think shippers are creepy ... at least not until it goes from "___ and ___ would make an interesting/cute/awesome couple" to "I can totally picture ___ and ___ going at it ... in graphic detail"
P.S. ... What exactly do pneumatic ratchet pants do and should I be concerned?
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To my knowledge no group of shippers for a male/female pairing have been characterized as "creepy" on this board, at least not to nearly the same extent as this.
You see it a lot in other areas too. I know it used to be more of a regular thing for people to be called creepy for saying "[character] looks hot today!". Frankly it's the backlash against the supposedly creepy people that weirds me out.
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You see it a lot in other areas too. I know it used to be more of a regular thing for people to be called creepy for saying "[character] looks hot today!". Frankly it's the backlash against the supposedly creepy people that weirds me out.
I think that because Jeph seems to be uncomfortable with the idea of his characters being sexualized and possibly used as fantasy fodder the forum in general has developed the feeling that it's just not cool.
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Oh ho ho ho, nerds are gross and lonely.
Man, nerds.
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Once again, that just makes them mistaken. It's not inherently creepy to be wrong about something.
To my knowledge no group of shippers for a male/female pairing have been characterized as "creepy" on this board, at least not to nearly the same extent as this.
This is exactly what has been making me uncomfortable about the manner of discussion. I am a lesbian, you see. Well, 90% gay, 10% 'other' would be more accurate, considering I like yaoi. I didn't want to bring that up right away, since it kinda feels like playing the race card, or something. I don't know. Maybe I should have kept quiet, I don't want to upset anyone. Sorry.
I guess if I'm completely honest, I'm grasping at straws because representations of gay persons, and gay relationships even more so, are rare. You wouldn't believe how overjoyed I was when Tai showed up. I was like, yay! We openly exist in this universe!
And to the accusation that nobody did this kind of extrapolating with any of the male/male relationships....er, well. *blush* Never say 'nobody'.
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Yeah, well, that's not how it happened at all. What happened was this (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1243), which prompted not-100%-baseless (sure, it didn't go anywhere, but it's also how it could have started if he had meant for such a thing to happen) Hanners/Tai speculation, which was transferred to this.
That doesn't even make any sense. So what you're saying is that a lesbian comes onto her, she freaks out, and that somehow means she might be gay? As opposed to the obvious conclusion that it might mean absolutely nothing at all? Since I remember that only vaguely, I may have to give you the benefit of the doubt in terms of entering the public consciousness, but when you say "sure it didn't go anywhere" I have no idea how exactly you think it could've. And that's what pisses me off (and at risk of putting words into Jeph's mouth, I think what pisses him off too). It's not the speculation or the fantasies or idealizing, it's when people try to come up with bizarre ways it could actually happen that don't really make a damn bit of sense. Or more to the point the possibility that for some people it's not a matter of trying.
And anyway, what do you mean "both characters' sexualities were questioned" - it's kind of a homophobic attitude to say that someone not (originally - obviously they are by now) established either way is to be automatically presumed straight and anyone who doesn't share that assumption is "questioning it".
Nobody ever gets denounced as creepy for thinking a character might be straight.
I mean it was questioned excessively. A recent anonymous survey returned that 12.9% of women were bisexual (although strangely enough the question: "Are you bisexual?" returned far less), on top of the somewhat standard number of 10% homosexual. So there's a 22.9% chance of any woman with no established information about her sexuality liking girls (Marigold), and for one who has been established to like guys but not to not like girls, it's 12.9%. So, in either case, to assume they were probably straight isn't homophobia, it's statistics. The exact opposite of bias.
Also, creepy isn't my word, or the word I would use. Or the idea I'm trying to convey. Seriously, I don't mean to sound like a dick but look alive here.
Why should that have settled it?
What particular reason would one have for preferring man-on-man to other pairings other than sexual? I mean, anyone who's not themselves homophobic is of course capable of enjoying a well-written male-to-male romance, but enough to get a t-shirt just dedicated to it?
I started shipping when they started reading and watching yaoi together, since I know of three lesbian couples that started out that way.
There were people even at the time citing that, and not your made-up thing about her hygiene, as evidence for Marigold being a lesbian.
That's not evidence at all though. Tons of people, gay straight or otherwise, get together watching anime together of any genre. Hell, that's what happened to me when I was 15. And even then, I started watching it with a group of three friends, all of whom were female, and none of them ever ended up hooking up with each other.
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And anyway, what do you mean "both characters' sexualities were questioned" - it's kind of a homophobic attitude to say that someone not (originally - obviously they are by now) established either way is to be automatically presumed straight and anyone who doesn't share that assumption is "questioning it".
Nobody ever gets denounced as creepy for thinking a character might be straight.
Deputy of common sense speaking (points if oyu get which comic i am referring to) :
Excuse me mister/mistress , but that is sound statistical reasoning , coming from the fact tha generally , more than 96% of populace are straight, therefore assuming that someone is LGB without any evidence is creepy - it is the sexual equivalent of paranoia and thinking everyone around must be a murderer - just look at how he bats the eyelashes!!.
Enough said
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Kakareen, please let me know if I piss you off in any way, because yours is the exact point of view I'm trying not to bash or attack in any way, and based on some of the responses I'm getting, I might be failing slightly.
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I guess if I'm completely honest, I'm grasping at straws because representations of gay persons, and gay relationships even more so, are rare. You wouldn't believe how overjoyed I was when Tai showed up. I was like, yay! We openly exist in this universe!
...Dora? Sure, she's Bi, but she never hid that.
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Man, I haven't been on the forums in forever. I forgot how much you guys like to talk!
...about a webcomic!
A-anyway, I ship Marigold/Hannelore in a completely platonic way. I mean, shipping them in a sexual way seems kind of pointless, seeing as both Marigold and Hannelore are not exactly sexually attractive. Who would want to imagine them having sex?! If they were hot, then I could understand!
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Comic 1492
I guess they're both going to be alone for a while yet.
But seriously, this topic confuses me. I can’t wrap my head around all the vitriol flying around. You’re treating people thinking that Hanners and Marigold would be a cute/whatever couple as though they punched your mother.
…Admittedly I haven’t spent that much time reading the forums, and none during the current arc.
lol, there aren't going to "Lez out", but are they going to "Lez in"?
I just had a bunch of weird ideas about lesbian themed super robots.
Let's Lez In!
Open Lez!
Change Getter Lesbian! (Which is a Getter 2/Getter Liger variant for some reason)
…so thanks for that.
Did Marigold fart again? Cause Hanners almost looks like she's making the zombie face in the last panel.
I'm pretty sure that is because the idea of sex still terrifies her.
goddamn creepy masochist weirdo
I'm sure there are masochists who would object to that characterisation.
...or maybe not. I'm not sure how it works. Maybe some of them would like it?
And when Hannelore is involved the obsessed people just get creepier.
Are you a fan of irony?
Whether or not Jeph wants Marigold+Hannelore to go away, fact remains that Hanners kinda seems to like being around Marigold
Why is that anyway? Like someone said earlier, Marigold isn't really the poster child for personal hygiene and Hanners got first hand experience of that. She doesn't seem like the sort of person Hannelore would pick to hang around with.
Then again she did like her yaoi... I suppose Marigold has opened up a new world to Hannelore.
I may be being overly analytical here
There's no maybe about it.
Hanners and Marigold are not as interested in romantic affairs people are desperately trying to find where they fit.
Everyone seems to want all the characters nicely paired off.
I have a habit of thinking like this. ...can't think of an example... oh, at the end of Toradora! I said that I wanted
FakeEdit: Ok, apparently I’m not allowed to post spoilers (wut?) so … I’ll replace the names with "the two unattached characters" that should be unspecific enough not to spoil but make it obvious who I’m talking about if you’ve seen the series.
Ok
I said that I wanted "the two unattached characters to get together because I "thought it would make everything neater" as opposed to having two lose ends flapping around.
It's actually pretty upsetting that some people may still decide to ship these two after this.
You must be pretty new to the internet if this can upset you.
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.....Sorry Jeph, but you can't work your way out of this, any more than J.K. Rowling could with the Remus/Sirius/Severus idiocy. Just stop worrying about it, please. That goes for all of you.
Now, I'm not completely certain about this because I haven't seen where this was said, but I have a friend who has told me that J.K. Rowling has come out and explained the situation between Remus and Sirius (I'm not even touching the Severus bit of that, because, um, ew!) and... honestly, it makes more sense that a children's author already being criticized by the churches would have to leave the relationship between those two men as friendship - aside from some subtext that could help arguments. In fact, it also seems to me that several concepts of the books wouldn't have worked unless Remus and Sirius were indeed in a relationship; but that's all a different universe.
HOWEVER. Unlike with the multitudes of those who believe in Remus/Sirius, there was, I repeat, subtext that referred to the possibility. Whereas with Hannelore and Marigold, there is nothing.
They hang out. It's annoying - and seriously more than a little bit sad - that Hannelore can't have a single friend without people (both online observers and random canon MMORPG players) assuming there is OMFGGAYSECKS involved.
I was just noting that any two or all three of them together seems to be a popular choice for HP shippers, from what I've noticed from (very) far outside all that, but you had to go and say thing I had to refute. First, not a children's author, wherever the bookstores may put the books. Second, I doubt she gave a shit what the churches thought- she certainly didn't when she outed Dumbledore. Third, what subtext between Remus and Sirius? Remus got MARRIED for crying out loud, and Sirius was in prison forever. Every time we saw them they acted like old friends, regardless of the shippers turgid (wait, that's only a 3 dollar adjective) desires, Nothing. Was. There. And this was just an analogy for my main point anyway, which I'd prefer you had addressed instead.
So... as far as I know, that's all stuff you made up just now, rather than actual reasoning we've seen written down from the Marigold/Hanners people.
Just sayin'. Nice wall of text, though.
Do I really have to go through this again? Okay... imagine a universe where no one was putting Marigold/Hanners together but everything else on this forum that's been said had still been said, I'd still have the same feelings for the same reasons. Or, to almost verbatim state what I already said, it is not the fact that people put Marigold and Hanners together, it is the fact that both characters' sexualities were questioned (by people who were largely not shippers) to an extent that I've never seen before with any other characters. Like Jeph himself just said, there was no hint of a romance between the two. But this isn't so much because they don't like each other or because there's some sort of external obstacle preventing them from being together, it's the fact that they're both very definitively into guys. Now one might argue that the shippers are merely acknowledging but overlooking this fact for some wishful thinking, and they probably are, but to say the idea itself sprung out of nowhere, or to say that it was just too cute not to think of, is ignoring the fact that there were massive debates on Marigold's sexuality when her obsession with man-on-man should've settled it. And I seem to recall there were dozens of people who thought she was a lesbian without any genuine indication. So unless you're going to tell me that that manufactured ambiguity had nothing to do with the number of people who suddenly thought "Hey, I know, Marigold and Hanners!" you're not really making a point.
And just to clarify in case anyone else, shipper or not, feels the need to defend the shippers against me, don't bother because you're arguing against a point I didn't make. I do not, repeat do not, have a problem with the shippers, but rather in the formation of the idea before any actual shipping was suggested.
Actually part of their point was that you shouldn't have built a Great Wall o' Text the first time. And that your evidence is actually supposition until someone comes out and says "OMG, my latent homophobia is causing me to assume Marigold is a Lezzie!"
You see it a lot in other areas too. I know it used to be more of a regular thing for people to be called creepy for saying "[character] looks hot today!". Frankly it's the backlash against the supposedly creepy people that weirds me out.
I think that because Jeph seems to be uncomfortable with the idea of his characters being sexualized and possibly used as fantasy fodder the forum in general has developed the feeling that it's just not cool.
Truth. It disturbed me the first time when people got temp banned just for bringing this up and Jeph defended that mod, and it still disturbs me now. This whole shipping thing isn't my deal, but I do believe they should be free to speculate without getting banned and/or called perverts by people who will chortle over the latest antics of Pintsize. And when Jeph has an issue with it, the guy that made Tai the loose lesbian stereotype and 'constantly' has his characters discussing sexual matters, not to mention the on screen antics, well, it's just a little hypocritical to me for him to be annoyed when other people do what he himself is doing.
...Well. Sorry about creating my own wall of text, but I had responses I wanted to make. And I better stop now, even though more stuff has rolled in while I typed this. Life calls and all.
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I mean it was questioned excessively. A recent anonymous survey returned that 12.9% of women were bisexual (although strangely enough the question: "Are you bisexual?" returned far less), on top of the somewhat standard number of 10% homosexual. So there's a 22.9% chance of any woman with no established information about her sexuality liking girls (Marigold), and for one who has been established to like guys but not to not like girls, it's 12.9%. So, in either case, to assume they were probably straight isn't homophobia, it's statistics. The exact opposite of bias.
And acknowledging a 23%/13% chance as a possibility rather than automatically converting that number to 0% (which I am saying originates in homophobia) is "excessive"?
That's not evidence at all though.
I wasn't the one who said it "should've settled it", now, am i?
Anyway... on this:
What particular reason would one have for preferring man-on-man to other pairings other than sexual? I mean, anyone who's not themselves homophobic is of course capable of enjoying a well-written male-to-male romance, but enough to get a t-shirt just dedicated to it?
Well, maybe there are genre aspects (art style, story tropes, etc) apart from the whole "this contains sex" part. Just like how, you know, there can be fans of manga in particular, despite the fact that manga supposedly just means "a comic book / graphic novel that comes from Japan."
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perhaps they can become wingwomen :roll: ba dum dat (horrible rendition of drums)
I am going to horribly quote the bad movie "Taxi"
"Sexual tension? I was in there with you and I didnt notice any sexual tension between you two. That was more like normal everyday tension!"
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Calm down everybody. No need to get annoying.
When I look at Marigold's face in the last two panels, I always have to think she's going to look for a boyfriend. Maybe on the internet, then a (more or less) blind date and BAM! Instant drama!
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And acknowledging a 23%/13% chance as a possibility rather than automatically converting that number to 0% (which I am saying originates in homophobia) is "excessive"?
Firstly , using this number is an gross overestimate a) incidence of homosexuality certainly does not exceed 5% (look at STATISTICS) secondly none of them can be homosexual since both enjoy looking at MEN!
It is interesting that you object to choosing the most probable possibility - at the chance being 1:19 at best and QC already having several such characters , finding another would be statistically anonymous (since the only common set of them is the place where they live, so the sample should contain a distribution similar to general populace (key word should NOT must which still makes such a guess legitimate))
And what does 'originate in homophobia' even mean ...
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Oh, you haven't 'pissed me off' IanClark. I don't really get pissed off. But I guess your big wall o' text did make me flinch.
I know that an actual relationship between Hannelore and Marigold is unrealistic. But I like to look at them that way. The one fandom I was involved in that had a prominent canon gay couple recently killed one part of that couple off, and I find myself slashing more voratiously then ever before in reaction. My slashing had chilled out a bit, because my fandom didn't need photoshop, and now I'm back to looking at a world of fiction where I either don't exist, only exist as a minor character you almost never see, or gets killed off.
Damn. I'm always surprised by how angry I am by that. Erm. Sorry. That also was not germane to the topic.
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So...does anyone here think that Hannelore would write/read fanfiction? I'm not sure.
Gosh, Hannelore is adorable today! "Wow, twelve?" She looked so happy for Marigold! Poor thing. XD They make great friends, no doubt about that.
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I do not, repeat do not, have a problem with the shippers, but rather in the formation of the idea before any actual shipping was suggested.
Welcome to the internet, we're kinda pervy, have some.
In real life, hanners and marigold start hanging out, watching yaoi, people go 'aww, that's cute, the socially awkward but super nice and cool girls are befriending each other. right on.'
On the internet, hanners and marigold start hanging out, watching yaoi, and people go, 'aww, that's cute the socially awkward but super nice and cool girls are befriending each other. They should totally hook up, because this is a fantasy world and it would be cuter if they were getting some and all the guys are either attached or chasing faye'
This was also my reaction to the pastry ballistics scene... 'hey, faye and angus are having a conflict/angst-free interaction... they should totally bone' and i'm a total sven/faye fan. And considering the basic 'Nerdery and Flirting' basis of the comic, i really fail to see these kinds of 'formations of ideas before the shipping' are inappropriate.
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Marigold's nose looks REALLY unappealing from the side.
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I think Marigold's face is my favorite of all the QC characters partly because of her nose.
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suddenly remembered the man-bot Hannelore got from her dad. Dunno why, but I could see Marigold learning about it and wanting to..experiment. If nothing else, if it fails as a companion she can play WoW on it.
Oh lord. Winslow and Momo are known to talk, if I remember correctly. What if they end up trying to modify it to give Momo an un-chibi body?
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yeesh, tell me about it. besides, don't you know the classic 90s movie formula?
nerdy girl - glasses = hot girl
... though i am still not POKING MYSELF IN THE EYE for fashion purposes, and i also really like my glasses.
Hmm, it need not to be for fashion purposes...
Glasses do not function well in rain. It was pouring down on the day I was first fitted with contacts (bloody hell, that was 32 years ago!) and I can still remember how wonderful it was to be able to walk home from the opticians and see the world clearly instead of through a blur of droplets.
The poking yourself in the eye thing... not so bad. You don't jab them into place, you gently offer them up to the eyeball until the surface tension of the wetting fluid pulls the lens into place. It really is painless.
Also, sometimes nerdy girl + glasses = hot girl. Sue Perkins is hot.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38523000/jpg/_38523851_sue_perkins_300c4.jpg (http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38523000/jpg/_38523851_sue_perkins_300c4.jpg)
http://www.chortle.co.uk/shows/edinburgh_fringe_2005/s/1645/sue_perkins:_spectacle_wearer_of_the_year_2006 (http://www.chortle.co.uk/shows/edinburgh_fringe_2005/s/1645/sue_perkins:_spectacle_wearer_of_the_year_2006)
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Firstly, using this number is an gross overestimate a) incidence of homosexuality certainly does not exceed 5% (look at STATISTICS)
I'd be quite interested in seeing your statistics. As far as I know the only real statistics available are from the Kinsey reports. Which gave the number at around 10%. Now admittedly the reports are nearly 60 years out of date (although honestly I'd expect that to increase the numbers not decrease them), Dr. Kinsey's methodology was at times... questionable (to say the least) and we must always remember the three kinds of lies (lies, damn lies and statistics) but since they're all we've got to work with...
secondly none of them can be homosexual since both enjoy looking at MEN!
Because there are no bisexuals?
By the way: every single lesbian that I know likes to read yaoi. It's no indicator at all.
It is interesting that you object to choosing the most probable possibility - at the chance being 1:19 at best and QC already having several such characters , finding another would be statistically anonymous
It... what?
...Anomalous?
Just looking at the numbers might give you the impression that only x% of a group is y, but a random selection might chose every member of the group that is y. And there isn't going to be an even distribution in real life. What are the chances that a gay man would chose to live in ...say...Louisiana versus San Francisco? Not only that but ...well... "birds of a feather flock together" it makes sense for a number of reasons that gay people will have a higher number of gay friends (they aren't going to be homophonic at the very least). Almost all of my close friends are either gay or bisexual.
But no matter what you do and where you go some bugger is going to screw up your curve. :-P
And what does 'originate in homophobia' even mean ...
It means that it has it's roots in homophobia?
But what I think that poster meant to refer to was the idea that heterosexuality is 'the norm'. Therefore everyone is straight until proven otherwise. (And the threshold is usually staggeringly high, often just saying that you are isn’t enough).
I think that's called heteronormativity or something.
But whether that is a homophobic stance I couldn't say.
...of course none of the things I've said mean that I think that either Hannelore and Marigold are gay or bisexual. They say they aren't so that's good enough for me.
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Jesus, did I miss the memo about the Longest Post Contest? Wow.
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In reality, Merigold would be the hottest chick a nerd could ever imagine.
And they're seriously girl-starved, too.
Hey! No we'....I....you......I'm going to shake my fist in your general direction, and possibly bite my thumb as well.
Darn kids....
:-D
... though i am still not POKING MYSELF IN THE EYE for fashion purposes, and i also really like my glasses.
I love my glasses too. Glasses are sexy.
And the poking yourself in the eye thing freaks me out too, but you get used to it.
My glasses have saved my eyes from pretty serious damage on several occasions. The most random one was standing by a street waiting to cross, and a stone smacked my glasses with quite a good bit of speed. I'd rather not think too much about what would have happened otherwise.
Other things glasses have saved me from:
- The corner of a table when I tripped slightly.
- My own damn clumsy, twitchy fingers.
- A screwdriver.
- Solder flux - incidentally, I also learned that eye protection is normally recommended when soldering.
Marigold's nose looks REALLY unappealing from the side.
I think Marigold's face is my favorite of all the QC characters partly because of her nose.
Aaaaaand, FIGHT!
I rather like it.
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...Marigold isn't really the poster child for personal hygiene and Hanners got first hand experience of that. She doesn't seem like the sort of person Hannelore would pick to hang around with. ...
It's another example of how being around the other QC characters has broadened Hannelore's horizons. She used to only listen to Bach, now she sings Battles to herself. Now she's trying out a different kind of friend. And she may have intuited that she and Marigold are at analogous stages of emotional development.
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What happened was this (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1243), which prompted not-100%-baseless (sure, it didn't go anywhere, but it's also how it could have started if he had meant for such a thing to happen) Hanners/Tai speculation, which was transferred to this.
Actually, I'm pretty sure that this guest comic (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1453) is when the shipping started in earnest! Or maybe earlier, this (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1440) was probably the true origin, where they started watching Yaoi together. With Momo acting like a matchmaker, it really did seem like someone was asking for a first date! Then comes the assumption that watching a love story would inspire one.
I wish...
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A recent anonymous survey returned that 12.9% of women were bisexual (although strangely enough the question: "Are you bisexual?" returned far less), on top of the somewhat standard number of 10% homosexual. So there's a 22.9% chance of any woman with no established information about her sexuality liking girls (Marigold), and for one who has been established to like guys but not to not like girls, it's 12.9%. So, in either case, to assume they were probably straight isn't homophobia, it's statistics. The exact opposite of bias.
Math error. The second percentage would be 14.3% (12.9% of 90%).
And defending your heterosexist assumptions with statistics does not make them any less heterosexist.
Take the riddle: A man and his son were in a car accident and the man was killed. When the son was wheeled into the operating room, the doctor said "I can't operate on this patient; he's my son." Who was the doctor? (Hint: that doctor had no cojones.)
The very existence of this riddle is evidence that sexism is alive and well. It's all but impossible to grow up (at least in the U.S.) and not have some level of sexism; all the more so for heterosexism. But you can try to fight against it; to do so, you must first recognize that assumptions are the enemy, then systematically notice whenever you make one.
(Grr. Tried to use spoilers in the above, but it says I don't have proper permissions to use them. What's that about?)
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Is there anyone in the cast that Hanners hasn't been shipped with?
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I guess if I'm completely honest, I'm grasping at straws because representations of gay persons, and gay relationships even more so, are rare. You wouldn't believe how overjoyed I was when Tai showed up. I was like, yay! We openly exist in this universe!
And have since comic 87 (Marten's previous boss.)
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And acknowledging a 23%/13% chance as a possibility rather than automatically converting that number to 0% (which I am saying originates in homophobia) is "excessive"?
No what's excessive is the number of people who treated it more like 50% or 75% (at least for Marigold). And they were out there. As I stated before, it's not everyone, or even most people, but it did happen.
I wasn't the one who said it "should've settled it", now, am i?
Evidence and proof aren't the same thing. Evidence indicates something, proof confirms something. Also we made two totally separate arguments so it's basically a non-sequitur to even say that.
Well, maybe there are genre aspects (art style, story tropes, etc) apart from the whole "this contains sex" part. Just like how, you know, there can be fans of manga in particular, despite the fact that manga supposedly just means "a comic book / graphic novel that comes from Japan."
I've seen/read yaoi. Unless I somehow got a really awkward cross-section, it's just romance except exclusively with dudes. Although from what I've heard a lot of people say, there's substantial evidence that the awkward cross-section theory might be true, so I'll partially recant my point about her liking yaoi.
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Math error. The second percentage would be 14.3% (12.9% of 90%).
And defending your heterosexist assumptions with statistics does not make them any less heterosexist.
10% lesbian, 12.9% bisexual means 22.9% who like girls in some context. And actually it does. If an assumption is made on percentages, it is not made on qualia.
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Welcome to the Questionable Content Debating Society.
I love how Hanners can be so clueless sometimes.
The fact that Marigold is even somewhat questioning her sexuality is going to start a new round.
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I am gonna ship the hell out of Dora and Marten...wait
Man I hope one day they hit it off, they're a match made in heaven
You losers. The only shipping with a future is Wil and Penelope. If only they would finally get together!
Is there anyone in the cast that Hanners hasn't been shipped with?
The Roomba?
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Math error. The second percentage would be 14.3% (12.9% of 90%).
And defending your heterosexist assumptions with statistics does not make them any less heterosexist.
10% lesbian, 12.9% bisexual means 22.9% who like girls in some context. And actually it does. If an assumption is made on percentages, it is not made on qualia.
You completely missed both my points.
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Which two points then?
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As a male who is in pretty much the same situation as Marigold I can tell you these conversations are generally awkward at best and tend to degenerate pretty quickly. Wife? No. Girlfriend? No. Friend with benefits? No. Gay? No. My god man, what's wrong with you? The only upside since hitting my late forties is that now I apparently qualify as "eccentric."
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Which two points then?
That you're being sexist and numbers don't stop that. I assume.
(Grr. Tried to use spoilers in the above, but it says I don't have proper permissions to use them. What's that about?)
Spoilers are are a bit iffy on this forum. Thats why we do stuff small
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Is there anyone in the cast that Hanners hasn't been shipped with?
The Roomba?
We all know she's hot for the roomba, but it's playing hard to get. The carpet tease.
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Aaaaah !
The end is nigh !
No new comic !
*furiously presses F5 over and over again*
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She's threatening to punch him in a friendly way! Improvement! I know I always prefer threats of physical violence to be accompanied by a friendly smile.
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Faye threatening to punch a boy? sheesh, it's practically part of her mating ritual!
Faye, Angus, Astrophysics...I aprove of this message!
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Faye FLIRTS !
Damn.
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It's all but impossible to grow up (at least in the U.S.) and not have some level of sexism; all the more so for heterosexism. But you can try to fight against it; to do so, you must first recognize that assumptions are the enemy, then systematically notice whenever you make one.
Stereotypes are fundamental to making it practical for us to interact with an insanely complex world. What needs to be considered is the inappropriate use of them, and this can be misjudged either way, depending on current views, and whether you are a boor or obsessively PC.
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Which two points then?
I'll try again, once.
A recent anonymous survey returned that 12.9% of women were bisexual (although strangely enough the question: "Are you bisexual?" returned far less), on top of the somewhat standard number of 10% homosexual. So there's a 22.9% chance of any woman with no established information about her sexuality liking girls (Marigold), and for one who has been established to like guys but not to not like girls, it's 12.9%. So, in either case, to assume they were probably straight isn't homophobia, it's statistics. The exact opposite of bias.
From your base numbers, it should be "for one who has been established to like guys but not to not like girls, it's 14.3%". Of 1000 typical women, you would expect 100 homosexual and 900 hetero- or bisexual, 129 of the latter being bisexual. Your "like guys" limits it to the 900, and 129/900 is 14.3%.
The other point was that unnecessary assumption is the basis of discrimination; if you can't avoid making assumptions, you aren't going to avoid discriminating. The statistics are not a justification; if they were, it would mean it is somehow more right to discriminate against a smaller minority than a larger one.
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If Fayngus happens, I will throw up EVERYWHERE. Including on you.
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If Fayngus happens, I will throw up EVERYWHERE. Including on you.
Shields . . . . SHIELDS!!!!
Faye flirting, things are looking up! :D
Maybe Angus should watch a few episodes of Carl Sagan's Cosmos
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If Fayngus happens, I will throw up EVERYWHERE. Including on you.
That would be threatening if you weren't in all likelihood hundreds of miles away from me. Plus, sorry, but it's pretty much going to happen- it's pretty clear that that is exactly what Jeph is angling towards. Now, whether they segue somewhere down the road into Marten and Dora splitting up over her control freakiness so that Faye and Marten can hook up as has been expected to happen eventually since the comic began is beyond my powers to speculate, nor do I want to as I don't care what Jeph does with his characters so long as it's in character and is funny.
TL,DR: Fayngus; it's whats for dinner.
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Woo astrophysics comic :-D I'm happy.
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If Fayngus happens, I will throw up EVERYWHERE. Including on you.
You might want to invest in Pepto-Bismol, I understand it works wonders in that regard.
Also, considering that my PC is not equipped with smell-o-vision, this is a particulary empty threat.
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I am gonna ship the hell out of Dora and Marten...wait
***spoiler alert***
they fuck
***end spoiler***
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man that is such bs qc has jumped the shark i am so out of here
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man that is such bs qc has jumped the shark i am so out of here
And nothing of value was lost.
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Is there anyone in the cast that Hanners hasn't been shipped with?
The Roomba?
I suddenly immagined Beavis & Butthead giggling: "The roomba so eats carpet..."
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...and the maturity pendulum swings the other way!
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***spoiler alert***
they fuck
***end spoiler***
Ah.... means:
F(fuck)=Gravy-Const*[(MFaye*MAngus)/R²Distance between F&As Bodies]
As we can see, the Force of Fuck gets greater the smaller the distance between the centers of Faye and Angus get. In case it gets 0, Angus finds himself diving into an infinitive attraction well.
The last moments on her Schwarzschild Radius should be fun. Seeing the universe collapse and die around him before the tidal forces of her hole rip him to pieces...
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I think he was talking about Marten and Dora.
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Yep he was.
The posting was fun anyway.
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Woo, QC goes xkcd. :lol:
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I just Re-read today's comic and realized something: while Faye objected to Angus passing by on a hyperbolic trajectory she left open the possibility of a stable elliptical orbit. Maybe she's starting to like Angus being around?
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She is getting more comfortable around him, how else could he have lasted till closing time without getting "SCORNed" Through the front window...
For the record, while I'm not really a fan of Angus (not that i think any better of Sven tho), i do, at least in theory, aprove of the way this 'story arc' seems to be, err... arcing...
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I will never be as smart as Faye :( I couldn't quip even 1 astrophysics pun if my life depended on it. Unless it's something about Uranus :P
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The only upside since hitting my late forties is that now I apparently qualify as "eccentric."
You only qualify as "eccentric" if you are rich. All others are "crazy".
Fun comic today, even if the jokes were way over my head.
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From your base numbers, it should be "for one who has been established to like guys but not to not like girls, it's 14.3%". Of 1000 typical women, you would expect 100 homosexual and 900 hetero- or bisexual, 129 of the latter being bisexual. Your "like guys" limits it to the 900, and 129/900 is 14.3%.
That's true. I got confused because I was thinking the order in which statistics were given on the survey itself.
The other point was that unnecessary assumption is the basis of discrimination; if you can't avoid making assumptions, you aren't going to avoid discriminating. The statistics are not a justification; if they were, it would mean it is somehow more right to discriminate against a smaller minority than a larger one.
I see the point partially, but it's irrelevant because what I'm saying is that Marigold should've been assumed more likely straight than gay. Which is backed up by the statistics. And which most people did, but this isn't about most people.
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Yeesh, with all the science talk I thought I was reading Dresden Codak (http://dresdencodak.com/) for a second.
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Yeesh, with all the science talk I thought I was reading Dresden Codak (http://dresdencodak.com/) for a second.
Nah, Dresden Codak is overkill. It's edging more on xkcd.
Alternative last line from Angus: "Sorry, I'm out of astrophysics quips. Gimme five minutes on xkcd and I'll be good to go."
Hey, you people arguing over the statistics of homosexuality: I'm sure jeph took the ratio of gay, straight and bi in the average population into careful consideration before determining his webcomic characters' sexual orientation.
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I see the point partially, but it's irrelevant because what I'm saying is that Marigold should've been assumed more likely straight than gay.
this assumption, while by itself correct is not a sufficient reason to say that it is "creepy" or "inappropriate" to speculate on whether something 14.3/12.9/22.9/BLARGHWHATEVER percent possibility might end up being true.
Lots of things happen in the comic for which you can say it's "more likely" not to have happened. How likely was it that Faye and Angus would have a friendly discussion about astrophysics of all things? I'll bet it was less than a 14.3% chance.
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I never said it was creepy, in fact I very explicitly said I didn't think it was creepy. I have no problem with speculation. Speculation is fine, hell, I dare say speculation is good. That is not now, nor has it ever been my issue. And if you don't understand that by now, go back and re-read everything I've written until you do. My problem is not some wide-spread epidemic, my problem is only a select few group of people of which you and the majority of (if not all) the people in this discussion can safely call themselves not a part. My problem is the people who assumed Marigold was a lesbian, and they were out there. That is not synonymous with anything but itself.
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I really wonder what the Blood + Thunder special tastes like.
I cannot help but feel it has something to do with Faye, her period, and attacking anyone who orders it
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Well, it could be coffee that has menstrual flow added and a flatus bubbled through it. And doesn't Faye at least verbally attack every customer anyway?
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Is there anyone in the cast that Hanners hasn't been shipped with?
The Roomba?
Lest we forget, the Roomba thought it was in a relationship with Hannelore, in #704. Does it count as shipping if one of the characters does it?
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I'd be quite interested in seeing your statistics. As far as I know the only real statistics available are from the Kinsey reports. Which gave the number at around 10%. Now admittedly the reports are nearly 60 years out of date (although honestly I'd expect that to increase the numbers not decrease them), Dr. Kinsey's methodology was at times... questionable (to say the least) and we must always remember the three kinds of lies (lies, damn lies and statistics) but since they're all we've got to work with...
Look at reports eg links on wikipedia - the largest study, done in Australia has shown about 3% incidence. The number of 10% is grossly overestimated - also the official figures are about 4%.
The kinsey report is questionable. And why should there be more of them, assuming the respondents answered truely to the study?
Because there are no bisexuals?
By the way: every single lesbian that I know likes to read yaoi. It's no indicator at all.
I was talking homosexuals - bisexuals are other small minority but the essence of the argument holds.
Besides if you know less than about 100 lesbians i am calling your evidence highly questionable.
It... what?
...Anomalous?
Just looking at the numbers might give you the impression that only x% of a group is y, but a random selection might chose every member of the group that is y. And there isn't going to be an even distribution in real life. What are the chances that a gay man would chose to live in ...say...Louisiana versus San Francisco? Not only that but ...well... "birds of a feather flock together" it makes sense for a number of reasons that gay people will have a higher number of gay friends (they aren't going to be homophonic at the very least). Almost all of my close friends are either gay or bisexual.
But no matter what you do and where you go some bugger is going to screw up your curve. :-P
Firstly i am :roll: boggled with shame at mistaking words, i call to my defense english is not my mothertongue, although the defense is vague, and that i was thinking rapidly while typing.
Secondly, we have no reason to assume this is a place with an anomalous incidence of homo/bi sexuals, so still assuming they are is statistically unsound if unsupported by evidence.
It means that it has it's roots in homophobia?
But what I think that poster meant to refer to was the idea that heterosexuality is 'the norm'. Therefore everyone is straight until proven otherwise. (And the threshold is usually staggeringly high, often just saying that you are isn’t enough).
I think that's called heteronormativity or something.
But whether that is a homophobic stance I couldn't say.
...of course none of the things I've said mean that I think that either Hannelore and Marigold are gay or bisexual. They say they aren't so that's good enough for me.
Well, yes to both (Heterosexuality is the norm, and everyone should be considered as such unless there is ample evidence to the contrary) Would you like that i made other reasonless assumptions ? (I bet Marten is a fetishist since he keeps all the old clothes, and Steve has a thing for bear cubs. )
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Dang, how did I'm miss this comic last night? I'm a friggin' astrophysics major.
Speaking of which, Angus should have told Faye not to let high-mass (or high-ass) white dwarves like Sven pass through her accretion disc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accretion_disk) and collect enough extra matter to nudge themselves over the Chandrasekhar limit of 1.38 solar masses.
For the vast majority of you not in the know, when that happens, they explode (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_Ia_supernova).
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It's hilarious how stupid and puerile men can be about sexuality though, especially anonymously on the internet.
I'm a woman, and I am still hoping for them to hook up. Because it would be hot. And nice in a non-sexy way, as well.
I guess I am stupid and puerile ...which I can accept. Just sayin', it's kinda sexist to limit it to men. Do you make jokes about women being idiots, too?
Yep, to have a chance at that type, she'd have to turn off the computer, take a shower, get her hair done, get a new wardrobe (including more stylish glasses or maybe dump the glasses entirely for contacts), and most importantly, go outside more often, to the bars and other places where these guys are likely to hang out.
Oh yeah and she'd probably need to hit the gym too.
That... that was sarcasm, right? Even if it wasn't, just lie to me because I don't want to have an aneurysm. <3
I will never be as smart as Faye :( I couldn't quip even 1 astrophysics pun if my life depended on it. Unless it's something about Uranus :P
QC often makes me think that. I'm all "man, it would be great to hang out with peeps like these" and then comes the crushing, undeniable truth that if they existed they would not hang out with me since I am nowhere near as cool. /emo
Although, they did take Marigold in, and she is a LOT like me. Now, if you'll excuse me, my guild needs me in Ulduar.
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If Fayngus happens, I will throw up EVERYWHERE. Including on you.
Putting aside the early masochistic portrayal and pretending he was introduced more recently, a Faye/Angus relationship is weirdly...blah. Just no excitement or romantic feel there (more an impression of a gradual erosion of Faye's dislike). Ah well - some relationships are like that, too, I guess.
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They still have witty banter. Don't forget the witty banter!
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This thread has taught me that Jeph rolls on random attribute tables to make new characters.
Also if Fayngus happens I will be slightly annoyed and be less enthused about their strips up until I change my mind and begin to like them together and/or stop caring with time. Better watch out Jeph.
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A mellow, non-dramatic relationship might be exactly what Faye needs. She could gradually lower shields in a safe environment. Sven was not a safe environment, and I think the hurt from that is why she's regressed emotionally since then.
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I am gonna ship the hell out of Dora and Marten...wait
***spoiler alert***
they fuck
***end spoiler***
:-o :-o :-o
Yer blowing my mind here jeph
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A mellow, non-dramatic relationship might be exactly what Faye needs. She could gradually lower shields in a safe environment. Sven was not a safe environment, and I think the hurt from that is why she's regressed emotionally since then.
There Will Be BloodDrama, don't worry. This is Faye we're talking about here. But there is a chance that it will be healthy, emotional growth inducing, relationship strengthening drama.
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I didn't say it was a big chance.
Either way, it shuold be entertaining.
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They still have witty banter. Don't forget the witty banter!
Witty banter is hot.
Witty banter is sexy.
Witty banter tells the other person, "I think you're more than smart enough to appreciate this comment and come up with a rejoinder".
Witty banter is an ego-stroke to both participants.
Witty banter has kept my wife from killing me for 25 years.
Witty banter ...
Damn, I ran out.
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I really wonder what the Blood + Thunder special tastes like.
I cannot help but feel it has something to do with Faye, her period, and attacking anyone who orders it
I wonder if the Blood + Thunder special is a reference to Oglaf.
(***NSFW***) http://oglaf.com/honor.html (***NSFW***)
They were talking about it on Twitter this week. :)
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Well, at least Angus didn't call Faye a Fatty? (He came awful close; gravity is the distortion of space-time, and gravity is proportional to mass.)
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Is there anyone in the cast that Hanners hasn't been shipped with?
The Roomba?
Lest we forget, the Roomba thought it was in a relationship with Hannelore, in #704. Does it count as shipping if one of the characters does it?
Beats me.
That's all I got, other than thinking of the Roomba sexually entangled with anyone brings to mind various references to the 'climax' of Spaceballs.
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Fayngus
I don't really care either way about a Faye/Angus relationship, as long as the plot continues to basically make sense. But if everyone keeps calling them "Fayngus" I will have a cow (pun intended).
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Well, at least Angus didn't call Faye a Fatty? (He came awful close; gravity is the distortion of space-time, and gravity is proportional to mass.)
Yes but thin people are denser than fat people, and denser objects cause the distortion of space-time to be sharper, thereby creating more tidal forces, so he may have been....I've got nuttin'
Actually he says that she doesn't distort spacetime that much...so yeah.
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At least Faye didn't think she was calling her fat, otherwise--yeaouch!
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Well, at least Angus didn't call Faye a Fatty? (He came awful close; gravity is the distortion of space-time, and gravity is proportional to mass.)
Yes but thin people are denser than fat people, and denser objects cause the distortion of space-time to be sharper, thereby creating more tidal forces, so he may have been....I've got nuttin'
Actually he says that she doesn't distort spacetime that much...so yeah.
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At least Faye didn't think she was calling her fat, otherwise--yeaouch!
I was under the impression Faye had that joke on herself, and Angus basically said "Oh, you're not that fat."
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Yes, that was my read on the situation as well, I was just trying to be a poor comunicator.
New comic is up, and no one is allowed to slag on Angus, or call him creepy, or anything like that, anymore, ever!
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don't tell me that HanaMagus (Hannelore/Marigold/Angus) 'shipper are going to start rearing their heads.
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Well I think they have to now! You couldn't leave it alone, you just had to go there, didn't you?
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1495: Aww!
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Hmm... does Marigold have a cleft upper lip or is that a kind of "manga cat" smile?
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I really like this one.
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FUCK we slashdotted Oglaf. And I was planning to read it, too.
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That Angus is a pretty cool dude.
I like how a compliment makes Marigold blush like that.
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Angus is right, Marigold (with better jeans) is quite pretty.
As for Faye/Angus, I'm not fussed, whatever makes them happy, BUT not until I have seen Angus in that giant anthropomorphic penis costume he mentioned when he bought the stupid outfit to get a rise out of Faye. I can't remember where this is, but the concept is hilarious.
EDIT: I have a surreal sense of humour. And the thought of it has cracked me up for ages.
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Hehe I think we broke Oglaf! :mrgreen:
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Awwww
She's cute when she acts shy.
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"Acts" shy?
I think it's real.
She couldn't even ask Hannelore to watch anime with her, she could only drop a hint that Momo-tan translated.
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Which character distorts spacetime the most?
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Marigold just did a :3 :-o
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Awesome! I didn't think anybody even knew about Olgaf. I absolutely adore that comic.
lol-ness with its server overloading. Jeph has the power! (to direct intertubez traffic)
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I can only assume Marigold trained her lip to do that for just such an occasion :-P
Also, it might be an idea for Jeph to warn other webcomics before he links to them :laugh:
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nyoro~n
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Hehe. Nice comic.
Now the problem rises who is a potential boyfriend for Marigold ... and I'm kinda sensing a lack of options in the strip.
How did Xander from Buffy say ? "I need more male friends !" :-D
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Long as she goes out with the gang more often, and learns to flirt a little, she'll find someone. Or maybe she'll hook up with Amir-he's between girlfriends right now and doesn't seem to be bothered by BO. He could be introduced by Hannelore (if she ever gets together with the band again)
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Angus makes pretty sound like a bad terminal condition. D:
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No, it was exactly the right way to tell her. Any other way, and Marigold would have been sure Angus was simply humoring her.
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Bad self image there. Fat? Not really. Smelly? Maybe, but that's generally a personal hygiene issue. Soap, hot water, toothbrush, mouthwash. Repeat daily. Bad skin? Not as personally controllable as smell, but she might be surprised. So that leaves the nose. It's cute.
Oh, and good boy Angus. Just don't get her crushing on you.
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I love it when Jeph makes "D'AWWWWWW" comics. it makes the entire world go D'AWWWW (http://s51.photobucket.com/albums/f399/DLShadowwolf/Smileys/piomt.gif)
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So tsundere.
I am so, so sorry.
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Well I think they have to now! You couldn't leave it alone, you just had to go there, didn't you?
well of course.
At least these combos haven't showed up to the party:
MariHanTai
(Marigold/Hannelore/Tai)
HanMarMar
(Hanners/marigold/Martin)
FangusgoldHan
(faye/angus/marilgold/ahnners)
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D'AWWWWWWW!!
XD
She's so pretty!
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She could easily fix half her insecurities by taking a damn shower every day like everyone else. :|
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I never said it was creepy, in fact I very explicitly said I didn't think it was creepy. I have no problem with speculation. Speculation is fine, hell, I dare say speculation is good. That is not now, nor has it ever been my issue. And if you don't understand that by now, go back and re-read everything I've written until you do. My problem is not some wide-spread epidemic, my problem is only a select few group of people of which you and the majority of (if not all) the people in this discussion can safely call themselves not a part. My problem is the people who assumed Marigold was a lesbian, and they were out there. That is not synonymous with anything but itself.
"Acknowledged as a possibility" is not the same as "assumed". Nobody assumed they definitely were gay. Which is why I have a problem with you - because _you_ have a problem with people acknowledging something that's not the most likely thing as simply being _possible_
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just putting it out there, i thoroughly enjoyed today's comic.
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Angus is a liar.
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Oh, and good boy Angus. Just don't get her crushing on you.
Wouldn't THAT be a mess Sven -> Faye <- Angus <- Marigold
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Aww! Marigold is adorable, and Angus is awesome. I was ambivalent for a long time with Angus. Good job, Jeph, you really brought me around with him.
Hannelore just seems to be getting sweeter everyday.
Wow, I'm ADD today. My brain just screamed at me ANIME CONVENTION, that is, one I shall be attending in about, oh, seven months. But because it barged in just now, I of course juxtaposed it with Marigold and Hannelore. That would be awesome. And not all that unlikely.
Anyway, I love the occasional cuddlemuffins comic. ^_^
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Now the problem rises who is a potential boyfriend for Marigold ... and I'm kinda sensing a lack of options in the strip.
Psh, everybody knows it's gonna be Faye-Angus Sven-Marigold :laugh:
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Naaaah She'll probably hook up with Sweet Tits\
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Hehe. Nice comic.
Now the problem rises who is a potential boyfriend for Marigold ... and I'm kinda sensing a lack of options in the strip.
How did Xander from Buffy say ? "I need more male friends !" :-D
Meena told Marten that too, but it was a guest comic.
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Angus is a liar.
No, he's not. He is, however, a straw man, willing to take any side in an argument that pays. And this one paid big - he made at least two people happy, Hanners and Marigold.
Did he lie to do it? She is not traditionally pretty, but cleaned up and with the hair out of the face, she could be stunning, strong nose and all.
And she's aerodynamically curvaceous, to boot (which she unfortunately reads as "fat"). Don't forget the fancy dress at the bar!
He's no liar, and he's no fool. Angus runs a little deeper than most of you give him credit for!
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Well I think they have to now! You couldn't leave it alone, you just had to go there, didn't you?
well of course.
At least these combos haven't showed up to the party:
MariHanTai
(Marigold/Hannelore/Tai)
HanMarMar
(Hanners/marigold/Martin)
FangusgoldHan
(faye/angus/marilgold/ahnners)
hanmarfandorgusventairavamirwilpen?
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Well I think they have to now! You couldn't leave it alone, you just had to go there, didn't you?
well of course.
At least these combos haven't showed up to the party:
MariHanTai
(Marigold/Hannelore/Tai)
HanMarMar
(Hanners/marigold/Martin)
FangusgoldHan
(faye/angus/marilgold/ahnners)
hanmarfandorgusventairavamirwilpen?
*mmmfp*!
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ahh yes, the obligitory entire cast orgy... Were waiting Jeph :evil:
(actually no, that would be kinda bad, DONT DO IT!)
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hanmarfandorgusventairavamirwilpen?
Screw the whole cast orgy, I just love the word "marfandorgus" :D
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Wouldn't THAT be a mess Sven -> Faye <- Angus <- Marigold
Wow. That's quite the pileup there.
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"Acknowledged as a possibility" is not the same as "assumed". Nobody assumed they definitely were gay. Which is why I have a problem with you - because _you_ have a problem with people acknowledging something that's not the most likely thing as simply being _possible_
Saying nobody assumed they were gay is false. If you want to say very few people assumed they were gay, then you'd be saying I had a legitimate issue with very few people which is EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING! Which is why I have a problem with you. Because you can't accept that the compromise between your view and what you allege is mine is, in fact, just my point of view. Actually, that's kind of a lie. I don't have a problem with you, I just wish you'd pull your head out of your ass and stop trying to hold an argument against the person you believe I am. You may not notice it but you're backpedalling quite a bit. You tried to argue that it wasn't creepy when I already agreed with you, you argued that people had evidence to support the idea that she was a lesbian then said no one believed it more likely that she was a lesbian than not, and I don't entirely feel like going into the rest. So if you're going to have a problem with me, you'd better make damn sure it's a legitimate one because otherwise I think everyone's getting a teensy bit sick of it.
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Ahh yes, the obligitory entire cast orgy... Were waiting Jeph :evil:
(actually no, that would be kinda bad, DONT DO IT!)
Too late! It has already been fortold.
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1193
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Angus is a liar.
Nah! At worst he escapes under the "Does my bum look big in this dress?" clause (Hint to any clueless males out there, the correct answer is always: "No, it looks great on you!").
What's he supposed to say after Hannelore puts him on the spot? "Sorry Hanners, she's as rough as the inside of a coal-bucket"? Neither kind nor wise.
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*mmmfp*!
why does that sound dirty? :lol:
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^ Its probably coz you have dirty mind, you dirty minded... mind... dirt-er... >cough<
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Ahh yes, the obligitory entire cast orgy... Were waiting Jeph :evil:
(actually no, that would be kinda bad, DONT DO IT!)
Too late! It has already been fortold.
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1193
Not to mention http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1453
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What's he supposed to say after Hannelore puts him on the spot? "Sorry Hanners, she's as rough as the inside of a coal-bucket"? Neither kind nor wise.
Now there's an expression I don't hear every day. Or any day, come to think of it.
In any case, 'pretty' is subjective enough that there's no way to pin Angus on that one, even should one be miserable cad enough to try.
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Anyway, Hannelore started it, and I don't think she's socially adept enough to lie about something like that.
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It's really hard to tell, given the media, whether or not Marigold is pretty or not. She's not ugly. She needs to do something about her skin. She's certainly not what I would consider fat. Hanners probably doesn't have the best ability to judge Marigold by 'general' standards, and I have no idea whether Angus is agreeing just to agree, or is genuine.
Another scene which continues to make me like Marigold, though. She's very human.
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With the exception of the anthroPC's, Tequila Monster, and the occasional bear, I'm pretty sure they're all human...
And I'm not sure that Tequila Monster and the PC's aren't!
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I don't know if it falls under WCT, but I have to say that Oglaf (which is loading every once in four pages now) is hilarious.
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With the exception of the anthroPC's, Tequila Monster, and the occasional bear, I'm pretty sure they're all human...
And I'm not sure that Tequila Monster and the PC's aren't!
The song is: I'm only huuumaaannn, of flesh and blood I'm made...
Not I'm only huuumaaannn, of flesh, blood, plastic, metal, and/or alcohol-fueled imagination I'm made...
I'm sure you see the problem, Carl. The Human League has already made its decision, and you can't fight the Human League and hope to win (the blonde woman cheats).
I suppose you could appeal, though. http://www.thehumanleague.net/
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She could easily fix half her insecurities by taking a damn shower every day like everyone else. :|
If I had to take a stab at percent of world population that showers almost every day, I'd say 10%.
"Acknowledged as a possibility" is not the same as "assumed". Nobody assumed they definitely were gay. Which is why I have a problem with you - because _you_ have a problem with people acknowledging something that's not the most likely thing as simply being _possible_
Saying nobody assumed they were gay is false. If you want to say very few people assumed they were gay, then you'd be saying I had a legitimate issue with very few people which is EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING! Which is why I have a problem with you. Because you can't accept that the compromise between your view and what you allege is mine is, in fact, just my point of view. Actually, that's kind of a lie. I don't have a problem with you, I just wish you'd pull your head out of your ass and stop trying to hold an argument against the person you believe I am. You may not notice it but you're backpedalling quite a bit. You tried to argue that it wasn't creepy when I already agreed with you, you argued that people had evidence to support the idea that she was a lesbian then said no one believed it more likely that she was a lesbian than not, and I don't entirely feel like going into the rest. So if you're going to have a problem with me, you'd better make damn sure it's a legitimate one because otherwise I think everyone's getting a teensy bit sick of us.
Fixed that for you.
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OH HAHAHAHAHAHA I GET IT BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU'RE BEING WITTY BY SAYING YOU DON'T LIKE ME! Seriously, I'm trying my best not to start a shitstorm here, do me a favour by not shitting into a fan.
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OH HAHAHAHAHAHA I GET IT BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU'RE BEING WITTY BY SAYING YOU DON'T LIKE ME! Seriously, I'm trying my best not to start a shitstorm here, do me a favour by not shitting into a fan.
I like you.
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It never fails, does it.
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Saying nobody assumed they were gay is false.
Saying anyone did* is a strong enough claim as to require proof.
I think part of the problem here has been my fault in not saying that yet still getting more annoyed each time you repeat the claim without providing a link to such a post. So now I'm saying it.
*as far as anyone actually publicly airing such an assumption / making a post that requires it. What people assume in their own minds isn't really relevant here.
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she has to be WILDLY UNHINGED if she really thinks that Marigold is a) competition for Dora or b) even into dudes. Honestly, Marigold might as well be the president of the Smif College Asexual Club (Meetings in Hubbard House, Tuesdays @ 6pm!!). Seriously, though, this whole Faye versus Marigold story-arc strikes me as super OOC for Faye, and is making me dislike her a little bit
PS: IMO, Marigold is a GREAT opportunity for Hanners to finally get some. Not saying, just saying.
From the topic titled "Faye vs. Marigold... wait, really?" There were many other posts in the topic implying that others had said similar things elsewhere, but I can't honestly be bothered to find them unless you really want convincing.
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Okay, fine. I still don't think it was common enough to be worth remembering and making an issue of much later on
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Like I said, it was a select few people. But I think it altered the public tone enough that it became a thing in and of itself. So I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
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If I had to take a stab at percent of world population that showers almost every day, I'd say 10%.
I showered every day for some years because of adolescence and stuff, plus there are many people who are overobsessed with good looks. On second thougt, most people might not even have their own shower, so that might even that out, but I think it's more than 10% in western society.
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Don't have a shower, we have a 7 ft long, 60 gallon tub from the early 20's. I soak in it every morning, but it's more for the muscles in my back, shoulders and neck than anything else (an old bicycle wreck left my back a mess). It lets me move freely the rest of the day.
But I've got a pretty "oily complexion" (and hair), so I wash when I'm in there anyway.
A side note on the bike wreck; when you're in a line of traffic stopped at a light or a stop sign, and the passenger says "I'll just get out here and walk", make sure they look before they open the door... it was 5 weeks before I could sit up straight again! The bike never recovered.