So Veronica Vance has a blog.First thing I looked for! :lol:
I wonder if Jeph will make a project out of it like he did with the characters's Twitter feeds.
Further note: Dora looks really good in this comic
So Veronica Vance has a blog.
I imagine Marten's Dad sounding like Liquid Snake from MGSbahahaha that would be ridiculous
And "parental-sex-life-horror" deserves to be a meme. That Lovecraftian moment when one realises that one's parents are getting it on.
(What am I asking...?)A question
I'm of the opposite opinion. It's just a touch too prudish & hypocritical for me.Err but its the instinct of pretty much every child.
Dora's about to cross that line imho if she's getting sex tips from Veronica's blog.Uh ... as if that wouldnt be part of Dora's charme.
Isn't Dora going to be cold outside in that weather in that skirt?She lives in New England. Quite possibly not. I remember a time entertaining some friends from LA in February. I had a light jacket and a scarf. They were swaddled in scarves and balaclavas and boots and shell gloves and parkas in which I wouldn't have hesitated to explore the high Arctic.
I remember a time entertaining some friends from LA in February. I had a light jacket and a scarf. They were swaddled in scarves and balaclavas and boots and shell gloves and parkas in which I wouldn't have hesitated to explore the high Arctic.Err, I doubt you would have found that experience enjoyable. Theres temperatures of minus 60 and less there. Even the eskimos need some better clothing than that, under those conditions.
I was hoping for one of the Internet Disease self-portraits she took in #1502 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1502). Seems more like something the character would do, and less like pandering.
Isn't Dora going to be cold outside in that weather in that skirt?She lives in New England. Quite possibly not. I remember a time entertaining some friends from LA in February. I had a light jacket and a scarf. They were swaddled in scarves and balaclavas and boots and shell gloves and parkas in which I wouldn't have hesitated to explore the high Arctic.
(That being said, Dora looks snazzy in girl clothes. She should wear them more often.)
I imagine Marten's Dad sounding like Liquid Snake from MGS
Tights, folks! Flesh-tone ("nude") tights. Heavier weight than pantyhose, just as sexy looking, and surprisingly warm.
Hanners at a Gay wedding - That should be interesting!
Hanners at a Gay wedding - That should be interesting!
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Why.
I'm of the opposite opinion. It's just a touch too prudish & hypocritical for me.Err but its the instinct of pretty much every child.
And yeah for Marten's dad! I wonder if it'll be an open-invite wedding, like in GWS... nothing like crossover pandering!
It'll probably be a quick civil ceremony, though, with the honeymoon in Stowe.
Will Veronica Vance give the groom away? Will Marten and Steve be ringbearers? Will Deathmole play at the reception? Tune in and speculate!
Plus... wedding! :-DMaybe I should read less feminist forums. I'm downright surprised now if people see marriage as something positive.
Hanners at a Gay wedding - That should be interesting!
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Why.
Kugai thinks gay people are unclean pass it on
Well Randy and Jeph were discussing crossover issues on twitter...Epic shit, yeah. Gods, I hope not. The moods are way too different; just about the nicest regular over on S*P would make Faye look like a hippie love child.
shit would be epic
just about the nicest regular over on S*P would make Faye look like a hippie love child.If Faye is a hippie love child, what are the GWS folks?
If Faye is a hippie love child, what are the GWS folks?A mixed bag.
Every single character of S*P is a decent human being. Sure Davan acts an ass, but he's been through the same kind of shit Faye has. Aubrey too. They consistently do good things, while hiding it all under a veil of sarcasm, scorn, and contempt. (Kinda like House) The only people they really fuck around with is each other because it keeps them sane (relatively). Look what Davan tried to do for Candy at GWS. He's a good person.Well Randy and Jeph were discussing crossover issues on twitter...Epic shit, yeah. Gods, I hope not. The moods are way too different; just about the nicest regular over on S*P would make Faye look like a hippie love child.
shit would be epic
I enjoy S*P, but it's the feeling you get when you're watching a train wreck; you know nothing's about to happen which it'll do you any good to see, but you can't tear yourself away. Someone like Davan or Aubrey would explode in QC's relatively decent world like a hand grenade.If Faye is a hippie love child, what are the GWS folks?A mixed bag.
Think about it, though. Not every QC regular gets it right, heaven knows, but damn near everyone tries to get it right - it's a strip of fundamentally decent human beings.
Meh, i guess im just not much of a hugger... personal space and all that...
If this comic were even the slightest bit realistic, Marten's dad would not be making contact with him. Whatever shrill liberal media shrews may have told you, gays are not family people. Men who turn gay never return to their families.
I can't tell if you're honestly just terribly bitter about some personal experience or if you're just another homophobe troll. I think it's the truly heartfelt way you made that sweeping generalisation that does it. Well played sir.Firstly, sir, I'm not a sir. I am female, was born female, and will not be trying to change this.
If this comic were even the slightest bit realistic, Marten's dad would not be making contact with him. Whatever shrill liberal media shrews may have told you, gays are not family people. Men who turn gay never return to their families.
You call my opinion "typical", then accuse me of overgeneralizing?If this comic were even the slightest bit realistic, Marten's dad would not be making contact with him. Whatever shrill liberal media shrews may have told you, gays are not family people. Men who turn gay never return to their families.
Typical.
The overall ostracized gay community isn't always the way a particular individual would be tunneled or led through. Just because there have been many instances that made it to where a gay couple ends up estranged from family (By their choice or the families) doesn't mean that every single homosexual shunts out their family and reteats into a shack with their lover.
This is a great moment for Martin, and I think the hug is not at all over the top, nor a moment that would be rare in the given circumstances.
People who hate non-hetero people should not be reading this comic, which has had an openly bisexual and an openly gay character for years, so it's not like it's a big surprise to have another two gay characters.I don't hate people of abnormal sexuality, they're flawed, sinful people like everyone else. In fact, the presence of homosexuals gives the comic more realism, and demonstrates that the characters are imperfect and in need of God's transforming power. I have no problems with gays in fiction, but with Jeph's attitude toward them, portraying them as okay and not needing to change. This is a rejection of family values and the traditional order of marriage.
Go away and read something else. Really, it's okay. No one's forcing you to come here.
Or keep trolling and be banned by Jeph. Either way.
People who hate non-hetero people should not be reading this comic, which has had an openly bisexual and an openly gay character for years, so it's not like it's a big surprise to have another two gay characters.I don't hate people of abnormal sexuality, they're flawed, sinful people like everyone else. In fact, the presence of homosexuals gives the comic more realism, and demonstrates that the characters are imperfect and in need of God's transforming power. I have no problems with gays in fiction, but with Jeph's attitude toward them, portraying them as okay and not needing to change. This is a rejection of family values and the traditional order of marriage.
Go away and read something else. Really, it's okay. No one's forcing you to come here.
Or keep trolling and be banned by Jeph. Either way.
Bottom line: I'll suspend my disbelief, but not my beliefs.
You call my opinion "typical", then accuse me of overgeneralizing?If this comic were even the slightest bit realistic, Marten's dad would not be making contact with him. Whatever shrill liberal media shrews may have told you, gays are not family people. Men who turn gay never return to their families.
Typical.
The overall ostracized gay community isn't always the way a particular individual would be tunneled or led through. Just because there have been many instances that made it to where a gay couple ends up estranged from family (By their choice or the families) doesn't mean that every single homosexual shunts out their family and reteats into a shack with their lover.
This is a great moment for Martin, and I think the hug is not at all over the top, nor a moment that would be rare in the given circumstances.
typical liberal behavior.
I can't tell if you're honestly just terribly bitter about some personal experience or if you're just another homophobe troll. I think it's the truly heartfelt way you made that sweeping generalisation that does it. Well played sir.Firstly, sir, I'm not a sir. I am female, was born female, and will not be trying to change this.
I can see that the Orwellian homosexualization of america has taken your mind so completely that you are unsure even that others can think differently from you. Well, I assure you I am not a troll, just one whom the truth has set free.
I don't hate people of abnormal sexuality, they're flawed, sinful people like everyone else. In fact, the presence of homosexuals gives the comic more realism, and demonstrates that the characters are imperfect and in need of God's transforming power. I have no problems with gays in fiction, but with Jeph's attitude toward them, portraying them as okay and not needing to change. This is a rejection of family values and the traditional order of marriage.
Bottom line: I'll suspend my disbelief, but not my beliefs.
I don't hate people of abnormal sexuality, they're flawed, sinful people like everyone else. In fact, the presence of homosexuals gives the comic more realism, and demonstrates that the characters are imperfect and in need of God's transforming power. I have no problems with gays in fiction, but with Jeph's attitude toward them, portraying them as okay and not needing to change. This is a rejection of family values and the traditional order of marriage.
Bottom line: I'll suspend my disbelief, but not my beliefs.
Awww, look at the little stone-thrower!
First in line, weren'tcha?
Your Heavenly Father (supposedly made out of Love and popsicle-sticks) must be so proud.
Saying that a homosexual is a sinful person simply because he is a homosexual is akin to saying that African Americans are sinful simply because of the color of their skin; it's like being dissapointed with Helen Keller for being so God damn blind. Not that homosexuality, or blindness, or the color of your skin is a defect. Just using examples of something you can be born with.
I'm not taking Killbot's side, but I don't think she was saying homosexuality is a sin; she's saying everyone's a sinner, including them.
If this comic were even the slightest bit realistic, Marten's dad wouldFixed that for you.notbe making contact with him. Whatevershrill liberal media shrewsbaghead right wing moonbats may have told you, gays arenotfamily people. Men whoturnstarted out gay in the first placenever return tocherish their families as much as anyone else.
Apparently gay male characters really bring out the whacko on the forums.
This is a rejection of family values and the traditional order of marriage.You mean finding a convenient family to arrange your child to marry into so that you get their stuff? Or stoning non-virgins?
If this comic were even the slightest bit realistic, Marten's dad would not be making contact with him. Whatever shrill liberal media shrews may have told you, gays are not family people. Men who turn gay never return to their families.ROTFL man you really need to upgrade your knowledge about homosexuality. You're like the newest knowledge of the 19. century over there. But sadly for you we're in the 21. century.
I don't hate people of abnormal sexuality, they're flawed, sinful people like everyone else. In fact, the presence of homosexuals gives the comic more realism, and demonstrates that the characters are imperfect and in need of God's transforming power. I have no problems with gays in fiction, but with Jeph's attitude toward them, portraying them as okay and not needing to change. This is a rejection of family values and the traditional order of marriage.You really need to. URGENTLY. My oh my.
Bottom line: I'll suspend my disbelief, but not my beliefs.
The whole "bumbling sweetheart" thing, as mentioned in #437.
Anyone who forget their own name is hella dumb.happened to me a few times. Probably because I use so damn many of them.
If this comic were even the slightest bit realistic, Marten's dad would not be making contact with him.Wait, there is somebody who cares for realism in fiction?
Huh. I proposed to my first wife outside her therapist's office.
That should have been a tipoff to me.
If this comic were even the slightest bit realistic, Marten's dad would not be making contact with him. Whatever shrill liberal media shrews may have told you, gays are not family people. Men who turn gay never return to their families.ROTFL man you really need to upgrade your knowledge about homosexuality. You're like the newest knowledge of the 19. century over there. But sadly for you we're in the 21. century.I don't hate people of abnormal sexuality, they're flawed, sinful people like everyone else. In fact, the presence of homosexuals gives the comic more realism, and demonstrates that the characters are imperfect and in need of God's transforming power. I have no problems with gays in fiction, but with Jeph's attitude toward them, portraying them as okay and not needing to change. This is a rejection of family values and the traditional order of marriage.You really need to. URGENTLY. My oh my.
Bottom line: I'll suspend my disbelief, but not my beliefs.
For starters:
1. Nobody chooses to be heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual. Only bisexuals get any choice, the other two are stuck.
2. Homosexuals are born this way (or its decided in early childhood or something, one doesnt know exactly yet) and never change.
3. Otherwise, homosexuals are simply normal people, just like heterosexuals.
4. Homosexuals fall in love like Heterosexuals and are the same in every respect in their love life, except they fall for the "wrong" sex.
5. Homosexuals also like to marry and to have children - the later typically through adopting etc.
6. Homosexuality is common in mammals. Scientists have verified its existence in hundreds of animal species.
If this comic were even the slightest bit realistic, Marten's dad would not be making contact with him. Whatever shrill liberal media shrews may have told you, gays are not family people. Men who turn gay never return to their families.ROTFL man you really need to upgrade your knowledge about homosexuality. You're like the newest knowledge of the 19. century over there. But sadly for you we're in the 21. century.I don't hate people of abnormal sexuality, they're flawed, sinful people like everyone else. In fact, the presence of homosexuals gives the comic more realism, and demonstrates that the characters are imperfect and in need of God's transforming power. I have no problems with gays in fiction, but with Jeph's attitude toward them, portraying them as okay and not needing to change. This is a rejection of family values and the traditional order of marriage.You really need to. URGENTLY. My oh my.
Bottom line: I'll suspend my disbelief, but not my beliefs.
For starters:
1. Nobody chooses to be heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual. Only bisexuals get any choice, the other two are stuck.
2. Homosexuals are born this way (or its decided in early childhood or something, one doesnt know exactly yet) and never change.
3. Otherwise, homosexuals are simply normal people, just like heterosexuals.
4. Homosexuals fall in love like Heterosexuals and are the same in every respect in their love life, except they fall for the "wrong" sex.
5. Homosexuals also like to marry and to have children - the later typically through adopting etc.
6. Homosexuality is common in mammals. Scientists have verified its existence in hundreds of animal species.
Just want to say, everybody has a choice, and these include sexual preferences, there are a few stories around about gay men who turn back to heterosexuality after awhile. Frankly i've never been a believer in the "all gay men are born this way" argument, as there have been more than a few men who turned gay after a long time as Heterosexuals.
Hrm. Good comic. Figured that Marten's Dad would have had everything set up prior to asking everybody for approval. But apparently not.
Alas, it seems that the fact that Mr. Colbear is a satirist was lost on someone. Jeph doesn't hate his country or want to destroy traditional family values; he's probably got a few homosexual friends, or changed his perspective on gay marriage either through education or reflection on his beliefs.
Alas, it seems that the fact that Mr. Colbear is a satirist was lost on someone. Jeph doesn't hate his country or want to destroy traditional family values; he's probably got a few homosexual friends, or changed his perspective on gay marriage either through education or reflection on his beliefs.And no one who has seen Colbert doesn't know he's a satirist. That's a left-wing fantasy.
New England has higher education levels than the rest of the country, and polling has shown that support for gay marriage rises with education levels.
I just came on here to talk about how I liked the timing of this punchline, and instead of talking about the comic, everybody's arguing about gay marriage? Sorry guys, but I think that belongs in a separate thread.Hrm... comic about gay marriage... why isn't this relevant? granted, the troll-feeding got out of hand a bit, but we've got two comics about a gay man and his family and marriage, and how family reacts to it. seems like that falls pretty solidly under the 'discussing the week's comics' rubric.
Even if you're old-fashioned enough to ask for permission (or you're a parent who is getting re-married, as is the case in the comic), you normally discuss the idea of marriage with your partner before proposing. Most people are pretty sure that their boyfriend/girlfriend will say "Yes" before they ask the question. So, I, too, would have figured that Henry would have been more sure of the Maurice's answer before he talked to Marten about it.Hrm. Good comic. Figured that Marten's Dad would have had everything set up prior to asking everybody for approval. But apparently not.Usually you ask for permission before you propose.
& the arts (anything that isn't religious is an attack on religion & pro-{gay,atheist,satanist}).
The only good thread is a derailed thread.
Alas, it seems that the fact that Mr. Colbear is a satirist was lost on someone. Jeph doesn't hate his country or want to destroy traditional family values; he's probably got a few homosexual friends, or changed his perspective on gay marriage either through education or reflection on his beliefs.
"Changed"? How many people under thirty-five have ever been against gay marriage these days? And how many people who were once against gay marriage use words like "bigoted cuntrags" for those who are?
And no one who has seen Colbert doesn't know he's a satirist. That's a left-wing fantasy.
I've got to say, though, the series of "don't give Card a cent" twitters really did bother me...that kind of thinking can turn you into Dantès very quickly once people stop falling into your neat little categories.
& the arts (anything that isn't religious is an attack on religion & pro-{gay,atheist,satanist}).
I think that Christians are allowed to bash Satanists.. isn't that the point?
To those who are criticizing my and God's opinions, just remember that God can use the unrighteous as well as the righteous to His ends (as He did with Nebuchadnezzar in Jeremiah 27). You are giving Christ's church meaning by persecuting it.I'm not even going to acknowledge that post with a response.
You would not be opposing God's will were it not for God's will. Think about that. Perhaps you, like Paul, will come around and see the Light.
Plus, women may (or may not (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/aprilholladay/2006-04-03-women-extra-fat_x.htm)) have extra subcutaneous fatty insulation (I'm often astounded at seeing skimpily-dressed women out in temperatures where I'm bundled up and shivering).
Plus, women may (or may not (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/aprilholladay/2006-04-03-women-extra-fat_x.htm)) have extra subcutaneous fatty insulation (I'm often astounded at seeing skimpily-dressed women out in temperatures where I'm bundled up and shivering).
Flashback to highschool: football players and band musicians in pants, long sleeved shirts, often jackets and longjohns...
cheerleaders and drum majorettes (yes, I'm old enough that's what they called themselves!!!) in microskirts and bare-shoulder tops.
To those who are criticizing my and God's opinions, just remember that God can use the unrighteous as well as the righteous to His ends (as He did with Nebuchadnezzar in Jeremiah 27). You are giving Christ's church meaning by persecuting it.
You would not be opposing God's will were it not for God's will. Think about that. Perhaps you, like Paul, will come around and see the Light.
About the comic though. Henry must feel awful at the moment. Getting a "You're SERIOUS?" response to a marriage proposal is not what I would call a pleasant experience.
What is this, the Spanish Inquisition?Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
Didn't expect that.
K im lost(not hard to do) about what Dora meant when she said to Marten "I see where you get it from" Marten replies with "gets what from" and i happen to be as lost as he is. Any help?Read the title.
Heh, well, that's quite flattering; thank you! And if we didn't live on separate continents or if my current wife wouldn't have her own modest objections, who knows ...Huh. I proposed to my first wife outside her therapist's office.
That should have been a tipoff to me.
Ha ha ha ha ha!
You sir, are a catch. You can propose to me outside my therapist's office any time.
Just want to say, everybody has a choice, and these include sexual preferences, there are a few stories around about gay men who turn back to heterosexuality after awhile. Frankly i've never been a believer in the "all gay men are born this way" argument, as there have been more than a few men who turned gay after a long time as Heterosexuals.Not so much. What we do have in our culture is this amazingly strong paradigm to label people: you're either Straight or Gay or Bi, and we see this as a 100%-0%-50% split. To the degree we can't pigeonhole people - or pigeonhole ourselves - we get very uncomfortable. Those folks never "turned gay" any more than they were ever 100% hetero; no one just wakes up one morning, says to him or herself, "Gosh! I'm queer now, to heck with the opposite sex!" and kicks the neighboring snorer out of bed with revulsion.
Our Chief weapon is surprise!some iterations later
Surprise and fear, fear and surprise!
Our two weapons are fear and surprise, and ruthless efficiency...
To those who are criticizing my and God's opinions, just remember that God can use the unrighteous as well as the righteous to His ends (as He did with Nebuchadnezzar in Jeremiah 27). You are giving Christ's church meaning by persecuting it.
You would not be opposing God's will were it not for God's will. Think about that. Perhaps you, like Paul, will come around and see the Light.
To those who are criticizing my and God's opinions, just remember that God can use the unrighteous as well as the righteous to His ends [...]
Yeah ... as Harlan Ellison said, that's the "God Is A Malign Thug" theory.To those who are criticizing my and God's opinions, just remember that God can use the unrighteous as well as the righteous to His ends (as He did with Nebuchadnezzar in Jeremiah 27). You are giving Christ's church meaning by persecuting it.
You would not be opposing God's will were it not for God's will. Think about that. Perhaps you, like Paul, will come around and see the Light.
That is one thing I never understood about Christianity.
God wanted us to mess up and get out of Eden? He planned that? Well then he's a right old dick. Also this means the whole battle between heaven and hell is a forgone conclusion and Satan's just a stubborn mule.
To be honest he doesn't seem like the kinda guy to plan ahead. He floods the earth one day, and then after 40 days of thinking about it, he was like "Oops, my bad. I promise not to do it again."
How many times does it have to be said? homosexuals don't WANT to get married, they don't want that much commitment and responsibility (after all, variety is the spice of life. can't count how many times gay "friends" told me THAT line). They just want to redefine marriage as part of the greater plan to degrade, defile, and eventually destroy our Christian nation (or what's left of it). Mark my words, it will come to pass that a rainbow flag will fly over the White House, as surely as a crescent and star will fly over China.Okay, now it's just guaranteed that you're trolling. You turned up the paranoid crazy to 11.
Okay, now it's just guaranteed that you're trolling. You turned up the paranoid crazy to 11.
[paranoid ravings]
[paranoid ravings]
... you really are quite a heinous individual.
Where is this love your holy men preach so much about?
[paranoid ravings]
Sadly, we are, in the end, human beings, with all human beings silly foibles and limitations. Many Christians seem to forget certain aspects of Christ's teaching, just as many open minded Liberals (such as can be found on this forum, please don't take that as an insult, but it's true) have no respect for the beliefs of those on the opposing political side, despite there self image being more tolerant and open mind and caring.[paranoid ravings]
... you really are quite a heinous individual.
Where is this love your holy men preach so much about?
How many times does it have to be said? homosexuals don't WANT to get married, they don't want that much commitment and responsibility (after all, variety is the spice of life. can't count how many times gay "friends" told me THAT line). They just want to redefine marriage as part of the greater plan to degrade, defile, and eventually destroy our Christian nation (or what's left of it). Mark my words, it will come to pass that a rainbow flag will fly over the White House, as surely as a crescent and star will fly over China.
I don't really like to invoke a Godwin, but I think most Liberals respect only other believes that are open minded because they think they'd have to accept Nazi propaganda too.
And among the things that I don't need to do: celebrating anything with my dad until his intended and/or my friends vomit.
Killbot, the only thing you know less about than the "will of God" is what homosexuals really want, so get your head out of Pat Robertson's (http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/robertson_i_dont_really_believe_homos_want_to_get_married_they_just_want_to/) ass and shut up already.See, this is what I;m talking about. You are so thoroughly brainwashed that you accuse anyone who expresses an opinion you don't like of trolling or copying some random wacko. I assure you I am serious.
Do you no what will happen to this country when DOMA gets busted and all fifty states have to recognize gay marriage? NOT A DAMNED THING!!!
Do you know what effect two men or two women getting married has on everyone else? NOT A DAMNED THING!!!Okay, now it's just guaranteed that you're trolling. You turned up the paranoid crazy to 11.
It's not even original Paranoia, he's just parroting the Pat Robertson's hate-spew.
Sadly, we are, in the end, human beings, with all human beings silly foibles and limitations. Many Christians seem to forget certain aspects of Christ's teaching, just as many open minded Liberals (such as can be found on this forum, please don't take that as an insult, but it's true) have no respect for the beliefs of those on the opposing political side, despite there self image being more tolerant and open mind and caring.[paranoid ravings]
... you really are quite a heinous individual.
Where is this love your holy men preach so much about?
I myself fell that Christ would actually be rather upset at the things that have been done in his name in the years since his death. I myself feel that God and Christ want us to come to them by choice, not by force, which is why evil and the devil still exist. God is, in many ways liek a very strict fifties father. H eloves us, but like any parent, he occassionally has to let his stupid children to stupid things for them to learn. That's my opinion at least. Sadly, some of his children don't get the obvious message, or even want to..
[paranoid ravings]
... you really are quite a heinous individual.
Where is this love your holy men preach so much about?
Killbot, up high man!
o/
We gotta keep the christian nation strong. Gotta get rid of all those undesirables in our great country. First we should get rid of barack HUSSEIN obama before he indoctrinates our children into being socialists. After that it would be a logical step to remove all of the blacks, hispanics, asians and terrorists from the country. We can send them to Canada. Step three should clearly be appointing Sarah Palin as defense secretary, but not president, we don't really want to let the women have too much. In fact, we might need to make their votes count for whatever their husband's vote is. At that point, we should have a fairly strong, white nation, but we need to keep it christian, basically, we'll have only the jews in banking stay. The Catholics can stay too, but they can't attend our colleges, and they'll all have to go to separate schools. To top it off, anyone of the Muslim faith will be executed on sight by our Faith Patrols. We can reclaim the Christian Nation, but we'll need God's help.
And no one who has seen Colbert doesn't know he's a satirist. That's a left-wing fantasy.
Hey Jace,
I think Adam Sutler hacked your account.
If you were christians you wouldn't be cutting parts out of the bible that offended you. Christians accept ALL the scripture as God-breathed.
It is funny how we have a troll who will never concede that they are being trollish. Makes me think of this overcompensating from the other day: http://www.overcompensating.com/posts/20091021.html
Killbot, the only thing you know less about than the "will of God" is what homosexuals really want, so get your head out of Pat Robertson's (http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/robertson_i_dont_really_believe_homos_want_to_get_married_they_just_want_to/) ass and shut up already.See, this is what I;m talking about. You are so thoroughly brainwashed that you accuse anyone who expresses an opinion you don't like of trolling or copying some random wacko. I assure you I am serious.
Do you no what will happen to this country when DOMA gets busted and all fifty states have to recognize gay marriage? NOT A DAMNED THING!!!
Do you know what effect two men or two women getting married has on everyone else? NOT A DAMNED THING!!!Okay, now it's just guaranteed that you're trolling. You turned up the paranoid crazy to 11.
It's not even original Paranoia, he's just parroting the Pat Robertson's hate-spew.Sadly, we are, in the end, human beings, with all human beings silly foibles and limitations. Many Christians seem to forget certain aspects of Christ's teaching, just as many open minded Liberals (such as can be found on this forum, please don't take that as an insult, but it's true) have no respect for the beliefs of those on the opposing political side, despite there self image being more tolerant and open mind and caring.[paranoid ravings]
... you really are quite a heinous individual.
Where is this love your holy men preach so much about?
I myself fell that Christ would actually be rather upset at the things that have been done in his name in the years since his death. I myself feel that God and Christ want us to come to them by choice, not by force, which is why evil and the devil still exist. God is, in many ways liek a very strict fifties father. H eloves us, but like any parent, he occassionally has to let his stupid children to stupid things for them to learn. That's my opinion at least. Sadly, some of his children don't get the obvious message, or even want to..[paranoid ravings]
... you really are quite a heinous individual.
Where is this love your holy men preach so much about?
If you were christians you wouldn't be cutting parts out of the bible that offended you. Christians accept ALL the scripture as God-breathed.Killbot, up high man!
o/
We gotta keep the christian nation strong. Gotta get rid of all those undesirables in our great country. First we should get rid of barack HUSSEIN obama before he indoctrinates our children into being socialists. After that it would be a logical step to remove all of the blacks, hispanics, asians and terrorists from the country. We can send them to Canada. Step three should clearly be appointing Sarah Palin as defense secretary, but not president, we don't really want to let the women have too much. In fact, we might need to make their votes count for whatever their husband's vote is. At that point, we should have a fairly strong, white nation, but we need to keep it christian, basically, we'll have only the jews in banking stay. The Catholics can stay too, but they can't attend our colleges, and they'll all have to go to separate schools. To top it off, anyone of the Muslim faith will be executed on sight by our Faith Patrols. We can reclaim the Christian Nation, but we'll need God's help.
Galatians 3:28. Your attempt to satirize me fails. Please try again.
It is funny how we have a troll who will never concede that they are being trollish. Makes me think of this overcompensating from the other day: http://www.overcompensating.com/posts/20091021.html
My bad, I'll turn this off. (http://www.jeff7.com/images/troll_signal.png)
I forgot to swap the FapCat silhouette back in there. :oops:
If you were christians you wouldn't be cutting parts out of the bible that offended you. Christians accept ALL the scripture as God-breathed.
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." (GEN 22:1)
"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (JAS 1:13)
"And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2KI 2:11)
"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man." (JOH 3:13)
PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
See, this is what I;m talking about. You are so thoroughly brainwashed that you accuse anyone who expresses an opinion you don't like of trolling or copying some random wacko. I assure you I am serious.Oh no, I no longer believe you to be a troll, you have truly convinced me that it was the first option; severe trauma. I can only speculate as to what would cause such a perversion of rational thought in you but it must have been bad. Unfortunately, since this is the internet, I can only offer my sincere condolences for your loss and hope you get better soon.
To those who are criticizing my and God's opinions,
To those who are criticizing my and God's opinions,
Don't presume to speak for God. There are passages in the bible that have been mistranslated and misinterpreted so many times, it's not clear at all the current interpretation matches the original meaning.
As for this 'Killbot' character, i have a very simple message: PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE WHY IM AN ATHIEST
I know it's not entirely clear in my previous statement, I never said that. I said that many liberals don't respect narrow-mindedness.I don't really like to invoke a Godwin, but I think most Liberals respect only other believes that are open minded because they think they'd have to accept Nazi propaganda too.
Ah, but isn't that prejudice? Believe me, as a life long conservative republican, we are not nazi's.
As such, there is no way to be truly open-minded, but the left has long maintained that they are the open-minded peaceful, loving ones (which is total bullshit, as anyone whose read up on what the 60's, the big defining era for modern leftism, was actually like). Which is why I decided to go right, with the right, you always know were you stand.If you look closely, you can see that the violent ones were only a few who were/are more well-known because of their violence. It's the same with Islam today: the Al Qaida is only a tiny part of it who is more often in the news/ in the news at all because of their use of violence. Islam is the second-biggest organized religion in the world, and of the big ones it's the only one that's growing. The others like Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. are getting smaller and smaller.
I may not be as 'modern' as i though. I suport gay rights in theory, but the image of two (admitadly entirely fictional) dudes kissing each other still made me feel a little ill. I wish it were easier to reconcile my political and personal beliefs.Nothing to worry about, you're not used to it, that's all. Now go watch some gay porn to burn down the evil thoughts!
Ah, but isn't that prejudice? Believe me, as a life long conservative republican, we are not nazi's.I sincerely feel for you.
I may not be as 'modern' as i though. I suport gay rights in theory, but the image of two (admitadly entirely fictional) dudes kissing each other still made me feel a little ill. I wish it were easier to reconcile my political and personal beliefs.It's no biggie to feel a bit weirded out by it, our outlooks are mostly built around convenient notions of normality that can come in the way of our attempts at being open-minded. Rule number One of the Quest for Open-Mindedness: never assume you're open-minded, always consider yourself an open mind in training. This makes you recursively open-minded, as you are open-minded enough to acknowledge the shortcomings of your open-mindedness without blaming yourself needlessly, and are able to build from that.
We can send them to Canada.
I'm not going to quote what's-his-name, as I really don't want to, but one thing really stuck out:It doesn't.
Gay folk (according to kill-whatever) aren't committed enough to stay with one person for any length of time, but they're committed enough to collectively attempt to destroy marriage?
How does that even work?
How many times does it have to be said? homosexuals don't WANT to get married, they don't want that much commitment and responsibility (after all, variety is the spice of life. can't count how many times gay "friends" told me THAT line)...
I know it's not entirely clear in my previous statement, I never said that. I said that many liberals don't respect narrow-mindedness.
Killbot, you were doing pretty well at first, but you lost me with the rant. Sorry, (wo)man. Keep pushing Poe's law!HAhahaha Poe's Law.
Quoting Weird Al REALLY helps your case.I'm not going to quote what's-his-name, as I really don't want to, but one thing really stuck out:It doesn't.
Gay folk (according to kill-whatever) aren't committed enough to stay with one person for any length of time, but they're committed enough to collectively attempt to destroy marriage?
How does that even work?
"She's" not using logic.
"If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people."
Killbot: "Everything you know is wrong, black is white, up is down, and short is long, and everything you thought was so important doesn't matter; everything you know is wrong, just forget the words and sing along, all you need to understand is, everything you know is wrong!"
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I'm not going to quote what's-his-name, as I really don't want to, but one thing really stuck out:
Gay folk (according to kill-whatever) aren't committed enough to stay with one person for any length of time, but they're committed enough to collectively attempt to destroy marriage?
How does that even work?
Win! <3 I simply loved the recent developments, minus the various biblethumpers who all of a sudden decided to come out of the woodwork (funny how that never happened when Tai was banging two other girls or when people were busy shipping Hannelore with every possible female character.... :roll:). I can't wait for the celebration/wedding shenanigans!haven't been reading that long. For the record, I find lesbians to be as reprehensible as gays (perhaps even more so, from personal experience *shudder*)
Wait, I have a case?Killbot, you were doing pretty well at first, but you lost me with the rant. Sorry, (wo)man. Keep pushing Poe's law!HAhahaha Poe's Law.
From Conservapedia (I know what you're thinking, and I'm only quoting from them because Wikipedia is only listing the "real" Poe's law currently, quite unusual for them to avoid such an easy potshot against people of faith): "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
From that same page: "Poe's law is often used to mock conservatives and fundamentalists, based on its implicit assertion that fundamentalists and conservatives are so absurd as to be indistinguishable from parody. However, there is a fundamental flaw in this assertion. One might as well argue that genuine works of art are indistinguishable from cheap knockoffs, because some people are unable to distinguish between the two. Clearly, the cause of the mistake is not that the genuine article is no better than a mockery; rather, the cause of the mistake is that some people lack the critical thinking skills and/or experience to differentiate the two -- particularly in cases when an artist (or a parodist) goes to special efforts to emulate the genuine article."
I really think that says it all, wouldn't you agree?Quoting Weird Al REALLY helps your case.I'm not going to quote what's-his-name, as I really don't want to, but one thing really stuck out:It doesn't.
Gay folk (according to kill-whatever) aren't committed enough to stay with one person for any length of time, but they're committed enough to collectively attempt to destroy marriage?
How does that even work?
"She's" not using logic.
"If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people."
Killbot: "Everything you know is wrong, black is white, up is down, and short is long, and everything you thought was so important doesn't matter; everything you know is wrong, just forget the words and sing along, all you need to understand is, everything you know is wrong!"
:laugh:I'm not going to quote what's-his-name, as I really don't want to, but one thing really stuck out:
Gay folk (according to kill-whatever) aren't committed enough to stay with one person for any length of time, but they're committed enough to collectively attempt to destroy marriage?
How does that even work?
they'll only commit to something if it's fun. that and they're directed by people with FAR more patience and capability for strategic thought.Win! <3 I simply loved the recent developments, minus the various biblethumpers who all of a sudden decided to come out of the woodwork (funny how that never happened when Tai was banging two other girls or when people were busy shipping Hannelore with every possible female character.... :roll:). I can't wait for the celebration/wedding shenanigans!haven't been reading that long. For the record, I find lesbians to be as reprehensible as gays (perhaps even more so, from personal experience *shudder*)
they'll only commit to something if it's fun. that and they're directed by people with FAR more patience and capability for strategic thought.
Believe it.
Being a fundamentalist homophobic jerk didn't do this, but quoting Naruto did.Believe it.with the use of this phrase you have officially lost all credibility and speaking privileges. Sorry naruto fans but saying this doesnt make you cool. better luck next time. :wink:
Maurice's last name is Lester. Believe it.Hahaha.
Sikozu from Farscape. Funny she'd have such good taste in TV. except Naruto. ewww.Maurice's last name is Lester. Believe it.Hahaha.
Mo is short for Maurice, right?
Mo Lester.
Molester!
Hahaha.
You made a joke.
SO funny.
By the way, who is that evil looking woman in your avatar?
Being a fundamentalist homophobic jerk didn't do this, but quoting Naruto did.Believe it.with the use of this phrase you have officially lost all credibility and speaking privileges. Sorry naruto fans but saying this doesnt make you cool. better luck next time. :wink:
Can I frame this and make it a motivational poster with the tagline "Priorities"?
Homophobic? I'm not the one claiming to speak for the gays!Being a fundamentalist homophobic jerk didn't do this, but quoting Naruto did.Believe it.with the use of this phrase you have officially lost all credibility and speaking privileges. Sorry naruto fans but saying this doesnt make you cool. better luck next time. :wink:
Can I frame this and make it a motivational poster with the tagline "Priorities"?
You ah, you do know what homophobic means in this context, right? Because the way you use the word would indicate otherwise.Homophobic? I'm not the one claiming to speak for the gays!Being a fundamentalist homophobic jerk didn't do this, but quoting Naruto did.Believe it.with the use of this phrase you have officially lost all credibility and speaking privileges. Sorry naruto fans but saying this doesnt make you cool. better luck next time. :wink:
Can I frame this and make it a motivational poster with the tagline "Priorities"?
Couldn't help but respond. I know, I have no willpower.
I can assure you that being gay is totally and completely not a choice. Absolutely, 100% not a choice, that no amount of reforming or counseling will change. This coming from a straight man.
Of course, what do us Canadians know, with our heathen notions of self-respect and tolerance...some people, eh?
This, and only this.
And finally, my take as a straight male of Henry and Maurice kissing: cute and heartwarming. Acts of tenderness are to be cherished even if they take forms you can't completely connect to.
Seriously, people, you've all known s/he was a troll from the first, don't lie to yourselves, and you just keep feeding the troll. I know it's hard not to say something sometimes. I can't even count how many times I've had to tell myself not to respond to this garbage. I really want to, but to what end? Can't we just let it go now?
Seriously, people, you've all known s/he was a troll from the first, don't lie to yourselves, and you just keep feeding the troll. I know it's hard not to say something sometimes. I can't even count how many times I've had to tell myself not to respond to this garbage. I really want to, but to what end? Can't we just let it go now?
I've been wondering the same thing all the time this has been going on. Just smile and nod, people, smile and nod...
As to that, one topic my wife and I've been talking about lately is on gender identity, specifically concerning transgendering. My increasing belief is that it's all needless ... that people associate certain behaviors - wearing dresses or makeup, sleeping with women, playing football, particular mannerisms - so strongly with one sex or the other, it's thought easier to undergo lengthy, expensive, painful and imprecise hormonal therapies and plastic surgeries than to keep one's body as it is and just openly adopt the desired mannerisms and personality traits.I appreciate where you're coming from, but can you appreciate how incredibly belittling it is to trans people to be told they just wanted to act like the societal construct of the opposite gender, rather than fully and completely feeling alien in their own body?
Wouldn't it be terrific if it were all okay? For guys to wear dresses, say, rather than have their bodies changed so they could get away with practicing the "feminine" traits they wished without shame or jeering?
It's completely derailed by now but oh my god, you guys just have to watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrEbJBFWIPk
As to that, one topic my wife and I've been talking about lately is on gender identity, specifically concerning transgendering. My increasing belief is that it's all needless ... that people associate certain behaviors - wearing dresses or makeup, sleeping with women, playing football, particular mannerisms - so strongly with one sex or the other, it's thought easier to undergo lengthy, expensive, painful and imprecise hormonal therapies and plastic surgeries than to keep one's body as it is and just openly adopt the desired mannerisms and personality traits.I appreciate where you're coming from, but can you appreciate how incredibly belittling it is to trans people to be told they just wanted to act like the societal construct of the opposite gender, rather than fully and completely feeling alien in their own body?
Wouldn't it be terrific if it were all okay? For guys to wear dresses, say, rather than have their bodies changed so they could get away with practicing the "feminine" traits they wished without shame or jeering?
I can tell you, with my own milder feeling of dysphoria, I entirely believe it is different. I would fit in the above definition. Maybe. I hate being a woman to the point of revulsion with having ovaries and breasts sometimes. It has made me feel suicidal that I will always be seen and perceived as a woman no matter what I do, that every "masculine" thing I like and do (almost everything) will have to be proven, that any time I want to play with femininity I have to accept being treated as a "girl". I am extremely strong and fast. If I was XY I would be a shit ton stronger and faster. If I fight men (kickboxing) I am highly likely to lose, no matter how many women I beat. I. Hate. It.
So yes, if gender roles went away, if people accepted sexuality, interests and behaviour as a spectrum then I would be happy in my skin. But that will never happen. And the fact that despite not coping at all with being female sometimes I don't actually feel I AM male (if it was easy I probably would change my sex) means I really respect that some people do.
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Bravo.Thanks for sharing.
I'm... more upset about my situation.
Waking up every morning to the reality that you're a 19 year old girl stuck in a dude's body (simplified version of the experience) is a very... depressing, demoralizing, seemingly hopeless situation. Feeling so weird in your skin. Being trapped.
I've never seriously considered suicide, but I completely understand how others in my situation or something similar could feel like it's the only way out.
And it DOES always... Well, I don't usually get angry about someone not understanding, but, indeed, someone thinking that it's a matter of playing dress-up, or confusing sexual orientation with gender identity definitely bums me out and reinforces the obviously false but overwhelmingly convincing idea that no one else knows what I'm going through.
Tl;dr Gregory House is Transgendered.
Edit: Also, I am done responding to trolls. In this thread. I'll try to restrain myself in others.
Have to say as accepting of gays I am, I have mixed feelings about gay marriage. I agree that homosexuals deserve all the rights of married heterosexuals but in the end the church are the ones offering the service of marriage and if they don't want to offer that service to a particular group of people then that sucks but it's their right, especially given that there are alternatives (civil partnerships) that offer all rights of marriage.
they'll only commit to something if it's fun. that and they're directed by people with FAR more patience and capability for strategic thought.
Have to say as accepting of gays I am, I have mixed feelings about gay marriage. I agree that homosexuals deserve all the rights of married heterosexuals but in the end the church are the ones offering the service of marriage and if they don't want to offer that service to a particular group of people then that sucks but it's their right, especially given that there are alternatives (civil partnerships) that offer all rights of marriage.
I believe that every religion has it's own right to decide whether they can perform a marriage between same-sex couples. I may think it sucks if they don't, but as a religion, the state has no say in whether they do or not.Right. But who has been telling any particular religious organisation who or what they can marry? It has been pretty much exactly the other way around ever since the topic first came up.
I don't have any protest against gay marriage, but this comic has jumped the shark. Ooooh lets get a reaction but pushing a hot button item. Boring.
It has made me feel suicidal that I will always be seen and perceived as a woman no matter what I do, that every "masculine" thing I like and do (almost everything) will have to be proven, that any time I want to play with femininity I have to accept being treated as a "girl" ... So yes, if gender roles went away, if people accepted sexuality, interests and behaviour as a spectrum then I would be happy in my skin. But that will never happen. And the fact that despite not coping at all with being female sometimes I don't actually feel I AM male (if it was easy I probably would change my sex) means I really respect that some people do.Which suggests that substantively, you agree with me.
Gay marriage isn't federally possible because of the separation between church and state.......
Well, it was only added in the 1860s; it has nothing to do with the original intent of the Founding Fathers. Just get it declared unconstitutional and changed back to "E Pluribus Unum" which actually makes sense... Can't be that difficult, right?Gay marriage isn't federally possible because of the separation between church and state.......I'll begin believing in the supposed "separation of church and state" when they take "In God we Trust" off of all the money.
Have to say as accepting of gays I am, I have mixed feelings about gay marriage. I agree that homosexuals deserve all the rights of married heterosexuals but in the end the church are the ones offering the service of marriage and if they don't want to offer that service to a particular group of people then that sucks but it's their right, especially given that there are alternatives (civil partnerships) that offer all rights of marriage.
Married people have more rights than civil unions.
I personally find it disturbing that far too many of the "conservative" Christian side are only well-read when it comes to Bible commentary. These rather vocal folk then proceed to bash science (threatens their faith), any minority they wish (same), education in general (who needs physics & evolution?), & the arts (anything that isn't religious is an attack on religion & pro-{gay,atheist,satanist}).
So...Henry & Maurice do tie the knot. Pintsize gets left at home because everyone knows he'll cause trouble. A Fred Phelps-like leader & his flock do the "God hates fags" thing outside. Pintsize trolls them with his usual style, possibly involving horsecock or other male genitalia.
I believe that every religion has it's own right to decide whether they can perform a marriage between same-sex couples. I may think it sucks if they don't, but as a religion, the state has no say in whether they do or not.Right. But who has been telling any particular religious organisation who or what they can marry? It has been pretty much exactly the other way around ever since the topic first came up.
No state institution I have ever heard of has ever tried to tell a church or other religious outpost that they must perform a ceremony for such-and-such classification of couple - mostly it's the churches that have been trying to tell the states that they aren't allowed to issue licences to gay couples because it "violates the sanctity of marriage" or some such.
Dunno, sounded like you might have been? Every time I've hear the argument that "religions should be free to choose who to marry" it has always been followed by "therefore homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry, because that's our thing" or similar. I guess I just responded by reflex.Was I arguing that point?I believe that every religion has it's own right to decide whether they can perform a marriage between same-sex couples. I may think it sucks if they don't, but as a religion, the state has no say in whether they do or not.Right. But who has been telling any particular religious organisation who or what they can marry? It has been pretty much exactly the other way around ever since the topic first came up.
No state institution I have ever heard of has ever tried to tell a church or other religious outpost that they must perform a ceremony for such-and-such classification of couple - mostly it's the churches that have been trying to tell the states that they aren't allowed to issue licences to gay couples because it "violates the sanctity of marriage" or some such.
I was just saying you can be fully, legally married without any church involvement whatsoever.
Actually, quite a few of the "conservative" Christians you mention don't bother to read the Bible either, they just regurgitate the passages their Pastor feeds them. In 3 different places, the Disciples ask Jesus how to go about evangelising, and He tells them that if someone isn't interested, to go away, leave them alone, and find someone who *wants* to talk with them about it! He also specifically says that missionaries aren't supposed to take money for lodging and food with them. If the people in one place don't want them there so much that they are willing to put them up in their own homes and make sure they get enough to eat, they're obviously not welcome and need to move on. As to the whole prayer in the schools thing, as long as there are midterms and finals, there *will* be prayer in the schools! Jesus says that anyone who makes a loud production of it needs to go "back in the closet" and mend their relationship with God. (I'm serious - direct quote there!)
Have to say as accepting of gays I am, I have mixed feelings about gay marriage. I agree that homosexuals deserve all the rights of married heterosexuals but in the end the church are the ones offering the service of marriage and if they don't want to offer that service to a particular group of people then that sucks but it's their right, especially given that there are alternatives (civil partnerships) that offer all rights of marriage.Married people have more rights than civil unions.
So obviously, being a Reformed Calvinist, they aren't puritan in terms of customs, but as far as religious beliefs go, they believe EVERYTHING in the Bible. One day we were talking about religion (cordially), and this is the conversation we had:
Her: "One of my biggest pet peeves is when people pick and choose what they want from the Bible."
Me: "In what way? You mean historical anecdotes, like 'did God really rain fire and brimstone upon Sodom and Gommorah?', or moral teachings, like 'you should stone your kids if they speak back to you'. Or both?"
Her: "Anything. Everything."
Me: "So you agree that an unmarried woman who is raped should marry her rapist, as long as the rapist pays her father fifty shekels?"
Her: "Uh..."
Me: "How about you and I take a trip to Utah and take the sword to everyone living in Salt Lake City because they're all heathen Mormons?"
Her: <_<
Me: "Megan."
Her: "Yeah?"
Me: "Do you sacrifice two doves at your father's church every month you have your period?"
Her: "...no. I don't do that."
Me: "So why don't you do that? The Bible says that you should, and the Bible is God's word. I thought you were supposed to do what God told you to."
Her: (much thinking for a good few minutes before she says something along the lines of "Social values naturally change over time", which is officially the lamest response ever)
So obviously, being a Reformed Calvinist, they aren't puritan in terms of customs, but as far as religious beliefs go, they believe EVERYTHING in the Bible. One day we were talking about religion (cordially), and this is the conversation we had:
Her: "One of my biggest pet peeves is when people pick and choose what they want from the Bible."
Me: "In what way? You mean historical anecdotes, like 'did God really rain fire and brimstone upon Sodom and Gommorah?', or moral teachings, like 'you should stone your kids if they speak back to you'. Or both?"
Her: "Anything. Everything."
Me: "So you agree that an unmarried woman who is raped should marry her rapist, as long as the rapist pays her father fifty shekels?"
Her: "Uh..."
Me: "How about you and I take a trip to Utah and take the sword to everyone living in Salt Lake City because they're all heathen Mormons?"
Her: <_<
Me: "Megan."
Her: "Yeah?"
Me: "Do you sacrifice two doves at your father's church every month you have your period?"
Her: "...no. I don't do that."
Me: "So why don't you do that? The Bible says that you should, and the Bible is God's word. I thought you were supposed to do what God told you to."
Her: (much thinking for a good few minutes before she says something along the lines of "Social values naturally change over time", which is officially the lamest response ever)
Um...isn't the Reformed Calvinist position that the laws that Christians should follow were set by Paul, these laws only applying to ethnic Jews before Christ?
This is only my opinion.Interesting way to state it. This question recently hit the headlines in France, where a kind of civil union (disreguarding sexes) has been created ten years ago. Interestingly, a demand that emerged was the possibility to hold a ceremony presided by the mayor (or one of his adjuncts) for the contracting of this civil union. Which would make it quite alike to a French civil wedding, if only symbolically. There are also issues about inheritance rights that has been brought up.
If the problem is religion saying you can't have gay marriage, then why not fully support the idea of separation of church and state and get rid of marriage in terms of rights given by the government? To be fair, every union between two people should be a civil union, in the eyes of the government. Nothing more, nothing less.
If the two people want a marriage, then they can have that too, but it wouldn't (and shouldn't) affect their rights according to the government.
Maybe. I don't know. All I knew was that her family was explicitly Reformed Calvinist and she believed, as an ordained minister's daughter, the Bible should be followed in its entirety.
I wonder how the couple will react to Faye's inevitable sass-raffs?Faye plays nice with gay people, more so than with straight people. I wonder if it's discrimination. Notice also, perhaps due to some lingering influence of her upbringing, she is more respectful to her elders?
Maybe. I don't know. All I knew was that her family was explicitly Reformed Calvinist and she believed, as an ordained minister's daughter, the Bible should be followed in its entirety.
Well, by that logic, they should take their sons to be sacrificed, since God told Abraham to do that.
This is only my opinion.
If the problem is religion and marriage by saying you can't have gay marriage because that ruins marriage or whatever the argument is, then why not fully support the idea of separation of church and state and get rid of marriage in terms of rights given by the government? If the government is going to give rights to two people who love each other/want to make the bond to be together, then there should be a complete overhaul to the system. To be fair and separate religion, in the eyes of the government every union between two people should be a civil union. Nothing more, nothing less.
If the two people want a marriage, then they can go to their religious place of choice and have that too, but it wouldn't (and shouldn't) affect their rights according to the government.
(edited for clarification)
This is hilarious in the light of the fact that conservative christians are emphatically opposed to "moral relativism" and believe that society should be run on a set of unchanging biblical principles.
Her: "One of my biggest pet peeves is when people pick and choose what they want from the Bible."
Me: "In what way? You mean historical anecdotes, like 'did God really rain fire and brimstone upon Sodom and Gommorah?', or moral teachings, like 'you should stone your kids if they speak back to you'. Or both?"
Her: "Anything. Everything."
Me: "So you agree that an unmarried woman who is raped should marry her rapist, as long as the rapist pays her father fifty shekels?"
Her: "Uh..."
Me: "How about you and I take a trip to Utah and take the sword to everyone living in Salt Lake City because they're all heathen Mormons?"
Her: <_<
Me: "Megan."
Her: "Yeah?"
Me: "Do you sacrifice two doves at your father's church every month you have your period?"
Her: "...no. I don't do that."
Me: "So why don't you do that? The Bible says that you should, and the Bible is God's word. I thought you were supposed to do what God told you to."
Her: (much thinking for a good few minutes before she says something along the lines of "Social values naturally change over time", which is officially the lamest response ever)
How many times does it have to be said? homosexuals don't WANT to get married, they don't want that much commitment and responsibility (after all, variety is the spice of life. can't count how many times gay "friends" told me THAT line). They just want to redefine marriage as part of the greater plan to degrade, defile, and eventually destroy our Christian nation (or what's left of it). Mark my words, it will come to pass that a rainbow flag will fly over the White House, as surely as a crescent and star will fly over China.No, they want to get married.
Homophobic? I'm not the one claiming to speak for the gays!Being a fundamentalist homophobic jerk didn't do this, but quoting Naruto did.Believe it.with the use of this phrase you have officially lost all credibility and speaking privileges. Sorry naruto fans but saying this doesnt make you cool. better luck next time. :wink:
Can I frame this and make it a motivational poster with the tagline "Priorities"?
Maurice's last name is Lester. Believe it.
Killbot, you were doing pretty well at first, but you lost me with the rant. Sorry, (wo)man. Keep pushing Poe's law!HAhahaha Poe's Law.
From Conservapedia (I know what you're thinking, and I'm only quoting from them because Wikipedia is only listing the "real" Poe's law currently, quite unusual for them to avoid such an easy potshot against people of faith): "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
From that same page: "Poe's law is often used to mock conservatives and fundamentalists, based on its implicit assertion that fundamentalists and conservatives are so absurd as to be indistinguishable from parody. However, there is a fundamental flaw in this assertion. One might as well argue that genuine works of art are indistinguishable from cheap knockoffs, because some people are unable to distinguish between the two. Clearly, the cause of the mistake is not that the genuine article is no better than a mockery; rather, the cause of the mistake is that some people lack the critical thinking skills and/or experience to differentiate the two -- particularly in cases when an artist (or a parodist) goes to special efforts to emulate the genuine article."
I really think that says it all, wouldn't you agree?Quoting Weird Al REALLY helps your case.I'm not going to quote what's-his-name, as I really don't want to, but one thing really stuck out:It doesn't.
Gay folk (according to kill-whatever) aren't committed enough to stay with one person for any length of time, but they're committed enough to collectively attempt to destroy marriage?
How does that even work?
"She's" not using logic.
"If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people."
Killbot: "Everything you know is wrong, black is white, up is down, and short is long, and everything you thought was so important doesn't matter; everything you know is wrong, just forget the words and sing along, all you need to understand is, everything you know is wrong!"
:laugh:I'm not going to quote what's-his-name, as I really don't want to, but one thing really stuck out:
Gay folk (according to kill-whatever) aren't committed enough to stay with one person for any length of time, but they're committed enough to collectively attempt to destroy marriage?
How does that even work?
they'll only commit to something if it's fun. that and they're directed by people with FAR more patience and capability for strategic thought.Win! <3 I simply loved the recent developments, minus the various biblethumpers who all of a sudden decided to come out of the woodwork (funny how that never happened when Tai was banging two other girls or when people were busy shipping Hannelore with every possible female character.... :roll:). I can't wait for the celebration/wedding shenanigans!haven't been reading that long. For the record, I find lesbians to be as reprehensible as gays (perhaps even more so, from personal experience *shudder*)
Killbot, the only thing you know less about than the "will of God" is what homosexuals really want, so get your head out of Pat Robertson's (http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/robertson_i_dont_really_believe_homos_want_to_get_married_they_just_want_to/) ass and shut up already.See, this is what I;m talking about. You are so thoroughly brainwashed that you accuse anyone who expresses an opinion you don't like of trolling or copying some random wacko. I assure you I am serious.
Do you no what will happen to this country when DOMA gets busted and all fifty states have to recognize gay marriage? NOT A DAMNED THING!!!
Do you know what effect two men or two women getting married has on everyone else? NOT A DAMNED THING!!!Okay, now it's just guaranteed that you're trolling. You turned up the paranoid crazy to 11.
It's not even original Paranoia, he's just parroting the Pat Robertson's hate-spew.Sadly, we are, in the end, human beings, with all human beings silly foibles and limitations. Many Christians seem to forget certain aspects of Christ's teaching, just as many open minded Liberals (such as can be found on this forum, please don't take that as an insult, but it's true) have no respect for the beliefs of those on the opposing political side, despite there self image being more tolerant and open mind and caring.[paranoid ravings]
... you really are quite a heinous individual.
Where is this love your holy men preach so much about?
I myself fell that Christ would actually be rather upset at the things that have been done in his name in the years since his death. I myself feel that God and Christ want us to come to them by choice, not by force, which is why evil and the devil still exist. God is, in many ways liek a very strict fifties father. H eloves us, but like any parent, he occassionally has to let his stupid children to stupid things for them to learn. That's my opinion at least. Sadly, some of his children don't get the obvious message, or even want to..[paranoid ravings]
... you really are quite a heinous individual.
Where is this love your holy men preach so much about?
If you were christians you wouldn't be cutting parts out of the bible that offended you. Christians accept ALL the scripture as God-breathed.Killbot, up high man!
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We gotta keep the christian nation strong. Gotta get rid of all those undesirables in our great country. First we should get rid of barack HUSSEIN obama before he indoctrinates our children into being socialists. After that it would be a logical step to remove all of the blacks, hispanics, asians and terrorists from the country. We can send them to Canada. Step three should clearly be appointing Sarah Palin as defense secretary, but not president, we don't really want to let the women have too much. In fact, we might need to make their votes count for whatever their husband's vote is. At that point, we should have a fairly strong, white nation, but we need to keep it christian, basically, we'll have only the jews in banking stay. The Catholics can stay too, but they can't attend our colleges, and they'll all have to go to separate schools. To top it off, anyone of the Muslim faith will be executed on sight by our Faith Patrols. We can reclaim the Christian Nation, but we'll need God's help.
Galatians 3:28. Your attempt to satirize me fails. Please try again.
How many times does it have to be said? homosexuals don't WANT to get married, they don't want that much commitment and responsibility (after all, variety is the spice of life. can't count how many times gay "friends" told me THAT line). They just want to redefine marriage as part of the greater plan to degrade, defile, and eventually destroy our Christian nation (or what's left of it). Mark my words, it will come to pass that a rainbow flag will fly over the White House, as surely as a crescent and star will fly over China.
To those who are criticizing my and God's opinions, just remember that God can use the unrighteous as well as the righteous to His ends (as He did with Nebuchadnezzar in Jeremiah 27). You are giving Christ's church meaning by persecuting it.
You would not be opposing God's will were it not for God's will. Think about that. Perhaps you, like Paul, will come around and see the Light.
People who hate non-hetero people should not be reading this comic, which has had an openly bisexual and an openly gay character for years, so it's not like it's a big surprise to have another two gay characters.I don't hate people of abnormal sexuality, they're flawed, sinful people like everyone else. In fact, the presence of homosexuals gives the comic more realism, and demonstrates that the characters are imperfect and in need of God's transforming power. I have no problems with gays in fiction, but with Jeph's attitude toward them, portraying them as okay and not needing to change. This is a rejection of family values and the traditional order of marriage.
Go away and read something else. Really, it's okay. No one's forcing you to come here.
Or keep trolling and be banned by Jeph. Either way.
Bottom line: I'll suspend my disbelief, but not my beliefs.
You call my opinion "typical", then accuse me of overgeneralizing?If this comic were even the slightest bit realistic, Marten's dad would not be making contact with him. Whatever shrill liberal media shrews may have told you, gays are not family people. Men who turn gay never return to their families.
Typical.
The overall ostracized gay community isn't always the way a particular individual would be tunneled or led through. Just because there have been many instances that made it to where a gay couple ends up estranged from family (By their choice or the families) doesn't mean that every single homosexual shunts out their family and reteats into a shack with their lover.
This is a great moment for Martin, and I think the hug is not at all over the top, nor a moment that would be rare in the given circumstances.
typical liberal behavior.
I can't tell if you're honestly just terribly bitter about some personal experience or if you're just another homophobe troll. I think it's the truly heartfelt way you made that sweeping generalisation that does it. Well played sir.Firstly, sir, I'm not a sir. I am female, was born female, and will not be trying to change this.
I can see that the Orwellian homosexualization of america has taken your mind so completely that you are unsure even that others can think differently from you. Well, I assure you I am not a troll, just one whom the truth has set free.
If this comic were even the slightest bit realistic, Marten's dad would not be making contact with him. Whatever shrill liberal media shrews may have told you, gays are not family people. Men who turn gay never return to their families.
THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!!!!!
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A quick thought:
Is this the first time we've seen Marten in a non-black hoodie?
Is this the first time we've seen Marten in a non-black hoodie?
Syrupykeyboard and Fenriswolf deserve a hug. Or anything else that would make them feel better.Can I get some Lortab? :-D
Did you read the point? I am extremely affected by my hatred of gender roles being applied to me... and I am not transgender. I am not a man. Transgender people are exactly what they claim to be. Trans women can be butch. Trans men can be camp. Trans people are what they say they are and you do not have the right to reclassify their experiences.It has made me feel suicidal that I will always be seen and perceived as a woman no matter what I do, that every "masculine" thing I like and do (almost everything) will have to be proven, that any time I want to play with femininity I have to accept being treated as a "girl" ... So yes, if gender roles went away, if people accepted sexuality, interests and behaviour as a spectrum then I would be happy in my skin. But that will never happen. And the fact that despite not coping at all with being female sometimes I don't actually feel I AM male (if it was easy I probably would change my sex) means I really respect that some people do.Which suggests that substantively, you agree with me.
Will this ever change? Probably not in what's left of my lifetime, no. But c'mon. I'm from Massachusetts, and if you had told me as recently as six years ago that I'd not only see single-sex marriage in my lifetime, it'd be celebrated in my own community within a year, I'd have advised you to lay off the hallucinogens. This in a state - one so strongly identified with liberalism that it's used as a slur nationwide - where I grew up in an area so lily white and Pleasantville-ish that I went until my fifth birthday before I ever saw a black person in the flesh, gay bars lacked signs for safety reasons well into my 20s, and to be a "faggot" was the worst thing in the world when I was a kid, even if we didn't have any clear idea what that actually meant. If that was ostensibly liberal Massachusetts in the 1960s, heaven alone knows what backcountry Mississippi was like.Well, I think you're laughably optimistic. For humans to evolve our lifestyles to the point of fluid gender roles, open sexuality, no racism, religious bigotry, ableism or classism, we would have to change human nature. Maybe in a couple of thousand years we will stop needing a way to feel superior to others, and something to reassure us that we matter and our lives have purpose.
The world's changing in front of our eyes at a staggering rate, and that's a comforting thing. I certainly won't live to see the day when none of this will matter. You may.
lol! Are you sure that's what you want??Syrupykeyboard and Fenriswolf deserve a hug. Or anything else that would make them feel better.Can I get some Lortab? :-D
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lol! Are you sure that's what you want??Syrupykeyboard and Fenriswolf deserve a hug. Or anything else that would make them feel better.Can I get some Lortab? :-D
What is this thread about anymore? I'm confuzzed.
Syrupykeyboard and Fenriswolf deserve a hug. Or anything else that would make them feel better.Can I get some Lortab? :-D
Sometimes I don't why I even bother to talk to you. But God is slow to anger, and is always there for repentance. No matter how brainwashed you are by the LGTB mafia, there is always hope for repentance.
~Sometimes I don't why I even bother to talk to you~