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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: Be My Head on 07 Jul 2010, 20:10
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/jul/05/lou-reed-booed-free-improv
http://www.spinner.com/2010/07/02/lou-reed-laurie-anderson-john-zorn-montreal-jazz-festival/2
The actual music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhfz6u4jjpQ
I think this is complete BS, if you went to the show expecting something without ever having listened to the artists (hearing that one Velvet Underground song from that one movie doesn't count), and then decide to get angry when it's OMG not what you expected, then proceed to boo the musicians and demand your money back, you are a fucking dick. I don't care how much you paid for the ticket. Going to a show and not knowing what to expect in terms of the sound is a fucking idiotic move.
P.S. John Zorn kicks ass
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well i went to see future of the left without having listened to them first just cause i used to be completely obsessed with mclusky. guess that means i'm doing it wrong!
john zorn is pretty awesome.
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But you probably didn't boo them and demand you get a refund...at least I hope not.
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I think this is complete BS, if you went to the show expecting something without ever having listened to the artists (hearing that one Velvet Underground song from that one movie doesn't count), and then decide to get angry when it's OMG not what you expected, then proceed to boo the musicians and demand your money back, you are a fucking dick. I don't care how much you paid for the ticket. Going to a show and not knowing what to expect in terms of the sound is a fucking idiotic move.
Couldn't agree more. I once went to an erhu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erhu) recital, and one nitwit marched out half-way through the first piece muttering something rude about Chinese music, but even he didn't boo! As you say, given the names of the performers, what did the boo-ers (or should that be boors?) expect? I mean, The Velvet Underground was like a hundred years ago, and artists move on. If they wanted to hear time-capsule music, they could have gone to a Stones concert... :laugh:
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It's an ode to laziness that show-goers didn't bother to google/youtube/wiki where they were going.
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My understanding of festivals is that most people don't really plan most of their experience, they just drift around between the acts they actively pursue and will get caught up in whatever is playing in the meantime. People have this sort of reaction to a real punk rock attitude from performers. It's not because they're stupid, it's because they aren't in on the joke / they feel insulted. When I went to Toronto the whole gang and I went to see a show featuring a noise artist who put on a big act about being petulant onstage. I wasn't really into it, primarily because I could see the light coming out of the seams in his dickhead costume and aside from rude sax skronking I wasn't really feeling the performance. Remote contempt is not really a suitable substitute for actual enthusiasm in live performance.
As for the music itself, sorry to say it but if you're not already a a Zorn / Reed / Anderson fan, your reaction to the music is going to depend on your tolerance of massive exposure to self-regard. The argument from importance isn't nearly as effective as we music geeks would like it to be. A lot of people, the vast majority I would say, have a violent reaction to avant-garde improv music. And frankly, if the legends onstage ever gave a fuck about whatever scorn they would receive on the occasion of their Very Momentous Set, they had no business doing it.
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Were they saying "Boo" or "Lou"?
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Boo Reed!
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The actual music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhfz6u4jjpQ
Canadians need to do more drugs, this is pretty nice!
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Yes, I think it's really pretty good, that thing.
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_sTGIC-qIMmU/SInsvp-ciCI/AAAAAAAAAu0/2uuQePGvpr8/s400/simps_boourns.JPG)
I was saying Boo-Urns
Also, I wish I was at this show.
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Der, I don't know what to expect from the folks who gave us Metal Machine Music, Naked City, and “Music for Dogs” (http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/tomserviceblog/2010/jun/03/laurie-anderson-music-for-dogs). :roll:
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I would have imagined any self-proclaimed--even casual--fan of jazz would be fine with dissonant notes and off-beat music. It's not like a No-Wave band got up there (which I would have been been happy with too).
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Were they saying "Boo" or "Lou"?
They were saying "Lou-urns!"
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i don't give a SHIT that someone else made that joke already i wanted to see it done right
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The actual music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhfz6u4jjpQ
oh my god this is so fucking bad lmao
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I would have imagined any self-proclaimed--even casual--fan of jazz would be fine with dissonant notes and off-beat music. It's not like a No-Wave band got up there (which I would have been been happy with too).
that's what I was going to say. To me, this doesn't sound half as challenging as, say, any free jazz ever, for instance.
also, I would have paid to see this, if I were in Montreal. What's on the video sounds awesome
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i'll take it
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oh my god this is so fucking bad lmao
You like Paramore.
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yeah and even i think that's shit
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I'm just putting it clearly and non-judgementally on the record that you like Paramore is all. No need to get all smart mouthed.
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People were pissed about that?! That's straightforward listenable right there. Boy was I expecting something far more abrasive and abstract. Personally I think it sounds pretty darn good.
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But then, you probably don't like Paramore.
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I'm just putting it clearly and non-judgementally on the record that you like Paramore is all. No need to get all smart mouthed.
it's already on the record. here's a thing i wouldn't put on any record though: that song by john zorn, lou reed, and laurie anderson
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well maybe i'd put it on a record that i'd want to give to someone as a gift
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someone i hate
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it's already on the record. here's a thing i wouldn't put on any record though: that song by john zorn, lou reed, and laurie anderson
You just called a non-lyrical composition a song, you dildo.
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yeah it's easier to type than "non-lyrical composition"
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While I wouldn't put it on a record player either it's not something I'd boo
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Agree with the above. I'd be too busy moving away from it to boo it.
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Not my cup of tea but it's a shit-tonne better than half the shit you folk seem to love cough*deerhoof*cough.
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yeah it's easier to type than "non-lyrical composition"
piece
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I like the cut of your jib.
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That is good stuff. Fuck you, Montreal.
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I like the cut of your jib.
as opposed to the music in the op which is impossible to like
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I like the cut of your jib.
like don't you fucking rail against music theory and shit, where do you even fucking get off being pedantic about the use of "song," "composition" and "piece," AND in addition what makes you think i don't know the difference between the three and also what makes you think i'm not using "song" and "composition" as verbal shorthand for the fuckin garbage improvised tripe these three silver spoon morons think is worth anyone's time and money
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what makes you think i'm not using "song" and "composition" as verbal shorthand for the fuckin garbage improvised tripe these three silver spoon morons think is worth anyone's time and money
Largely, it's the fact that you like Paramore.
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I like the cut of your jib.
like don't you fucking rail against music theory and shit, where do you even fucking get off being pedantic about the use of "song," "composition" and "piece," AND in addition what makes you think i don't know the difference between the three and also what makes you think i'm not using "song" and "composition" as verbal shorthand for the fuckin garbage improvised tripe these three silver spoon morons think is worth anyone's time and money
lol
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this thread got awesome fast
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"you like paramore" well you feel it's your place to defend these tone-deaf self-important baby boomer shitstains by trying to impugn the credibility of the dude who straight up says "this shit sucks" as if listening to a pop-rock band on an independent label that has nevertheless seen top 40 success somehow disqualifies someone from listening to a bunch of indulgent masturbatory "tonal explorations" or whatever and like instantly seeing through it for the absolutely irredeemable garbage for idiot babies with fucking goatees and fedoras who use the phrase "hmm yes" that it actually is. this music is for dudes who still don't see the problem with wearing embroidered flame-design button-ups but just stopped wearing them because everyone else did. this is music for fucking die-hard john zorn fans, i.e. dudes mostly or totally lacking in social graces. i honestly don't understand what the compulsion is to defend these rich people who can get away with not bothering to do anything interesting on account of their names once meant "cool," other than it belies some kind of desperately craved iconoclasm.
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the punks grew up and now they own legitimate businesses. that's what this music fuckin sounds like
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this is the music my dad would make if he got into jazz but also if he was a tedious self-satisfied fuck
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the punks grew up and now they own legitimate businesses. that's what this music fuckin sounds like
(http://www.hardcorepunkmisc.com/images/102708.jpg)??
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(http://www.electrical.com/images/onlyheader_01.gif)??
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(http://www.futureofmusic.org/sites/default/files/imagecache/04col/article/FMCbrochure07cover.gif)(http://www.futureofmusic.org/sites/default/files/imagecache/04col/article/FMCannualreport07cover.gif)(http://www.futureofmusic.org/sites/default/files/imagecache/04col/article/FMCAnnualReport04cover.gif)??
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Johnny, delayed-action triple posts become kinda ineffective if you use them three times on the same page plus double posts.
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I mean look at this shit.
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It's lame as fuck.
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Dang I just realised I triple posted too, without even thinking about it.
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But at least you realised on a page break.
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Dang I just realised I triple posted too, without even thinking about it.
Johnny C is leading you astray.
Next thing, you will be listening to Paramore.
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In Paramore's defense, they are certainly the best band to come out of the whole Myspace fan-farming thing, whatever that's worth. And they keep their much better influences in mind even if they don't prominently figure in the music. In terms of overall quality I don't particularly see much difference between Paramore and These guys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk30a0qsVIk&feature=PlayList&p=11B19F24B58082A4&playnext=1&index=19).
Anyway, I don't mind a lot of avant-garde and I enjoy a lot of modern classical music, but this piece isn't particularly remarkable. Every member has individually contributed a lot more interesting music. The problem with avant-garde stuff is that the artist doesn't really have to apply himself to be successful - Harmony Korine can go around filming himself and his friends wearing Halloween masks, making improvised speeches about the vulgarity of conformity or whatever and simulate sex with inanimate objects, and it's going to be a triumph of art (http://www.tinymixtapes.com/film/trash-humpers), because what can you say to that? If you think it's good or enjoyable, he's brilliant. If you don't think it's good or enjoyable, he's fulfilled a role as provocateur and he's still brilliant. You play in the abstract and you can have it both ways, if you can earn a reputation as an important talent (or con yourself into one). Lord knows I've bought enough dark ambient albums on Boomkat because the reviewer gushed about subtle micro-shifts in tone and the intensity of texture, only for them to turn out to be unremarkable, non-evocative paper bags that people talk about when they speak negatively of drone composition. At a certain point acquiring a taste can involve convincing yourself something is there when it isn't.
So it's not even the fact that the music is boring, which it is, but that the music was never the point. They don't really have to deliver anything. They have cultural cache that makes them untouchable, they're probably involving themselves more fully in their solo ventures, so what else to do with old friends with nothing to prove but deliver masturbatory improv? It's Phish for art fags, essentially. Has Lou Reed been anything but John Lydon minus the famewhoring and lust for money, over the last ten years or so? A retiree coasting on his mythical asshole-ness. He's got his place in the pantheon, why should he even bother?
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This thread is now just embarassing for both parties .