Let the mayhem commence.
What kind of "pants" was she hoping for?Jeans, she prefers. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2512)
Let the mayhem commence.
How did May know Dale would be at Marigold's?I think they're at Dale's. The couch they're making out on looks like the one that May watched the sunrise from.
(other than the Rule of Funny, or It's in the Script)
How did May know Dale would be at Marigold's?I think they're at Dale's. The couch they're making out on looks like the one that May watched the sunrise from.
(other than the Rule of Funny, or It's in the Script)
I think so, yea. Clicking it prompts "Are you sure you want to enable notification if new replies for this topic?"That would be cheating though :roll:
How did May know Dale would be at Marigold's?
(other than the Rule of Funny, or It's in the Script)
What kind of "pants" was she hoping for?"chassis" huggers?
Something with a hem.Ahem.
I called it! May needs a place to crash for a while.
Jeans, she prefers. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2512)Instead she got the jumpsuit foreshadowed in the title of the strip you linked. Kudos, Jeph.
The thing is... Why is May still blue?
Well, we definitely have a "marked decrease in sociopathic tendencies" (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2503) here. Not a complete elimination of them, but certainly a decrease.
May is me :)
My god, MAY IS US!
How did May know Dale would be at Marigold's?I think they're at Dale's. The couch they're making out on looks like the one that May watched the sunrise from.
(other than the Rule of Funny, or It's in the Script)
"Starts shipping"? She joined May's Marigold-and-Dale shipping as soon as she heard of it!My god, MAY IS US!
When she starts shipping other cast members and talking to "Jeph", AKA the Creator, we'll know for certain.
Where's Momo?
Why wouldn't she?
Her job.
What is it going to be?
Momo looked all over town and couldn't find a job. Maybe the economy has picked up since then, but if May can't find work then there's no telling what she'll do.She might do the kinds of jobs that Momo wouldn't do.
Y'know, I noticed it yesterday on May, but I have to ask, is May the first AntroPC human like chasis we've seen that doesn't have big anime eyes? I can't recall.
Momo looked all over town and couldn't find a job. Maybe the economy has picked up since then, but if May can't find work then there's no telling what she'll do.She might do the kinds of jobs that Momo wouldn't do.
They are in a developed country, "no jobs" means "no jobs that I would do". So "no jobs" for Momo might not be the same for May.
Y'know, I noticed it yesterday on May, but I have to ask, is May the first AntroPC human like chasis we've seen that doesn't have big anime eyes? I can't recall.
Looking back at the Idoru arc, I can't quite say they have "anime eyes", per se. Of course (looks around with a bit of an eye roll) I'm not big on anime, so I can't quite say what "anime eyes" are.
Hah. I like all the implications about May's last sentence.
(Like the fact that she had to *create* the list. Meaning noone else is on there. Not even Dale.)
Y'know, I noticed it yesterday on May, but I have to ask, is May the first AntroPC human like chasis we've seen that doesn't have big anime eyes? I can't recall.
Looking back at the Idoru arc, I can't quite say they have "anime eyes", per se. Of course (looks around with a bit of an eye roll) I'm not big on anime, so I can't quite say what "anime eyes" are.
AFAIR, the new prototype that Hannerdad sent to be Hanners' "test boyfriend" had pretty normal looking eyes.
Nice_List.txt
- Marigold
Naughty_List.txtOVERFLOW ERROR
2717 is another comic that will not fit the new print format, BTW.
:mrgreen: Fixed your list syntax error. But naughty is of course May's default behavior, so the naughty list is not really needed. The Nice_List.txt file acts as the exception list to the default behavior.Nice_List.txt
- Marigold
Naughty_List.txt
- OVERFLOW ERROR
Fixed! :-D
Hem pantsThpathe Hem.
That said, I think Dale treats May badly. He probably realizes that he has to be very strict, or May will revert back to her old behavior. Still, he should be at least a little bit happy to see her.
Momo has a hypertrophied social conscience.That is not a bad thing.
I agree, except that I would not make it about May being female. And I really don't think that's what makes Dale cautious.That said, I think Dale treats May badly. He probably realizes that he has to be very strict, or May will revert back to her old behavior. Still, he should be at least a little bit happy to see her.
Why? - he never chose her company in the first place.
I think if I was in a new relationship with somebody as emotionally insecure as Marigold I'd be very cautious indeed about appearing enthusiastic about the sudden appearance of a strange and rather aggressive female. Even a robot female.
I still don't think she would work in a dungeon, in sex industry or in other stuff Pintsize would get for her.Momo looked all over town and couldn't find a job. Maybe the economy has picked up since then, but if May can't find work then there's no telling what she'll do.She might do the kinds of jobs that Momo wouldn't do.
They are in a developed country, "no jobs" means "no jobs that I would do". So "no jobs" for Momo might not be the same for May.
I don't think Momo was picky. No jobs means no jobs she could get, whether because of lack of qualifications or because employers will not hire her for whatever reason.
I think Dale is handling this well.
Momo has a hypertrophied social conscience.That is not a bad thing.
So robot jail induces claustrophobia... That sounds nasty. Sentient intellects and personalities stuck in a disk rack or something?
I mean, NilsO, just think for a second what you would do if a chaotic, impulsive, pretty unpredictable and often annoying person that you hardly know (the previous encounter was roughly two days) showed up at your door and invited herself to stay with you pretty much indefinitely. I bet you wouldn't be thrilled either.In principle, perhaps, but it depends on your conscience. May desperately needs help and support, and is asking the only nice person she knows. Also, in QC it is considered very bad to reject a sentient intelligence that has bonded emotionally (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1996) with you. (This strip also gives the best background information for the human-AI relationships.)
Mmmh, not only the very concept of Nice_List.txt is disturbing in itself, but since she just created it, only Marigold is in it. Which means Dale, for example, isn't. But maybe the list is just for reminders?
As I said, think about how you would actually react in real life before criticising Dale - I'd like to see you happily offering to share your home with an ex-convict you hardly know.
If Jeph had portrayed it as Dale going "Oh May, you were mostly annoying as hell last time you (admittedly involuntarily) imposed your company on me without me asking for it and I don't really know you at all otherwise, but of course I'm thrilled to have you live with me!" that would just have been unrealistic and naive. Yes, it's a comic, but the characters are still (mostly) supposed to be lifelike.
Also, is Dale rejecting her? No.
Even if he had: As far as I understand it, May is an adult AI. She is in no way Dale's responsiblity. That Dale was able to forgive her her shitty behaviour at the start of their acquaintance and give her a chance speaks immensely for him. It's great that he will help her to start a new life by offering her a place to live and being friends with her! I like Dale for it, a lot. He is however under no obligation to do so.
No, she said that the halfway house was claustrophobic. What the fuck is that place, the Robot Arms Apt from Futurama?? (http://theinfosphere.org/Robot_Arms_Apartments)No.
No, she said that the halfway house was claustrophobic. What the fuck is that place, the Robot Arms Apt from Futurama?? (http://theinfosphere.org/Robot_Arms_Apartments)No.
Worse.
Much worse.
Much much worse.
Don't taze me, Mo!
What the fuck is that place, the Robot Arms Apt from Futurama?? (http://theinfosphere.org/Robot_Arms_Apartments)Something like this (http://montaraventures.com/blog/wp-content/2008/06/coffinhotel.jpg)?
Well that went pretty much as expected. :-\
Does she (Marigold) see her (May) as a threat or something?... because Marigold's the only one who gets to have an anthropomorphic AnthroPC? Sheesh. What's she anticipating? May sneaking into Dale's bed to give him handjobs for rent?
Sheesh. What's she anticipating? May sneaking into Dale's bed to give him handjobs for rent?
- why is she walking around on her own at all? Momo's new chassis was bought by Marigold and she is contracted with Marigold. If Momo's chassis cost $30,000, and Pintsize is described by Marigold as worth $3,000 then May must be walking around in $20,000-plus worth of chassis with no owner, contracted companion or financial guarantee ?
Not sure I'd want to live with her either.Well lucky for Marigold she doesn't live with Dale yet :roll:
I had this whole post written out, and I decided to just go with the MST3K Mantra.I hope you saved it, otherwise this is just a cruel tease :roll:
I think that they'd almost have to give her a chassis upon the completion of her sentence. If she just had to wait on a server to be downloaded, that would effectively be an indefinate continuation of her prison time.
I wrote a thing... I have no idea where it came from. :psyduck:DAAAAAAAAAAAAANG!(click to show/hide)
I'm not sure it induces claustrophobia, rather that being physically embodied in space, and then having that space restricted, does.Well yes, of course. Well done though.
(Also, keep in mind this person wanted to be a very fast airplane.)
... and I just realized I typed 'person' there without thinking about it. :)
I gotta say I'm confused by Dale's reaction. Marigold's is also kinda weird, but we didn't see if/what Dale told her about May. But yeah, when May left they were on good terms, so I don't get the hard pushback.I do. I'm sure Dale's not real thrilled at sharing Marigold with Momo.
I gotta say I'm confused by Dale's reaction. Marigold's is also kinda weird, but we didn't see if/what Dale told her about May. But yeah, when May left they were on good terms, so I don't get the hard pushback.
I gotta say I'm confused by Dale's reaction. Marigold's is also kinda weird, but we didn't see if/what Dale told her about May. But yeah, when May left they were on good terms, so I don't get the hard pushback.
Why so? It seems to be a fairly normal way that AIs function. It's clear that AIs and their chassis are separate entities; Momo-tan gets a completely different one but she is still "Momo",
I have friends I'm on very good terms with... doesn't mean I'm willing to let them move in when they randomly show up one day.
This is the second time that May has forcefully entered Dale's life. Good terms or not, he's not required to be a doormat for her.
May was a general pain in Dale's neck while she was with him in the glasses the first time, as such I'm sure part of the good parting terms was that he was happy to see her go. Now that she's back, he's...not so happy. I don't blame Marigold either for being less than thrilled about this person she may have never met, or been told less than complimentary things about, suddenly imposing herself in their lives.
No Marigold doesn't live with Dale, but he does not seem to have any roommates either. So his place is where they can have totally private alone time - unless May moves in. Is it any wonder Marigold has a mini-freak out?
From all we know of Marigold, her reaction is to be expected. She's got a guy, and she's feeling threatened. How could she not feel that way?What does being a guy or not have to do with it? That really confuses me. I'm not a guy and her reaction looks unnatural to me - at least as a reaction to the 1 minute of May she has probably at most seen. Most people I know would maybe have been upset and probably demanded some kind of justification, but not just stomped off without waiting for one. Mind you, I am not criticising Marigold for her behaviour, I am criticising Jeph for in my eyes writing Marigold in a not very believable way in this strip (not in general).
the net effect of May on Dale's life was quite positive
We have no idea what her "condition" is.Hypocrisy?
We have no idea what her "condition" is.
The "got" in the post you were replying to was not a typo for "not". It was a synonym for "has". Read it againFrom all we know of Marigold, her reaction is to be expected. She's got a guy, and she's feeling threatened. How could she not feel that way?What does being a guy or not have to do with it? That really confuses me. I'm not a guy and her reaction looks unnatural to me - at least as a reaction to the 1 minute of May she has probably at most seen. Most people I know would maybe have been upset and probably demanded some kind of justification, but not just stomped off without waiting for one. Mind you, I am not criticising Marigold for her behaviour, I am criticising Jeph for in my eyes writing Marigold in a not very believable way in this strip (not in general).
She is a hikikomori under rehabilitation.We have no idea what her "condition" is.
Hikikomori? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori)
Jeph said in a Q&A once that Momo is the legal owner of her own chassis. You could probably find the link via the wiki. Fascinating questions come up about whether Marigold could repossess it for non-payment.
Occam's Razor on May's body: what if she stole it?
The chassis may be being lent to her as a condition of her parole (which would mean that if she breached parole, she would be guilty of theft as well as absconding).
From all we know of Marigold, her reaction is to be expected. She's got a guy, and she's feeling threatened. How could she not feel that way?
So, was May just assuming they're doing more than necking these days, or does she have some other source of info?
Dale can help May find a job. Any of the crummy part-time jobs he ditched, for starters.
How does an Anthro PC smell?
Now we know what May is like when she's being nice.
So, was May just assuming they're doing more than necking these days, or does she have some other source of info?
Was it ever specifically stated that she no longer had access to Dales glasses? Even if she was no longer able/required to be his "maid" she may have been able to use them as a window to the outside world.
So I may be spooned and spoilered by El Goonish Shive's free provision of reference links because I REALLY need one for whatever May's talking about here. °O
If that's what you get from being on nicelist.txt I'd hate to see what she'd do if you're on her hitlist.txt.Excel.
Actually might be hitlist.xls. It's so large that the organization tools are helpful.
So I may be spooned and spoilered by El Goonish Shive's free provision of reference links because I REALLY need one for whatever May's talking about here. °O
Sidenote: Does it amuse anyone else that May's interior of the mouth seems to be brightly lit? :-D
I'm gonna steal Dale from you
So, who'd buy the "I AM THE REASON YOU TWO ARE BONING" t-shirt? :-D
So, who'd buy the "I AM THE REASON YOU TWO ARE BONING" t-shirt? :-D
Now we know what May is like when she's being nice.
All the subtlety of a blunderbuss.
I've minutiously examined how she tends to react, and I looked up serious objective sources. It's still possible that I'm projecting, but to me she's shown all the signs of social anxiety disorder, or at least some kind of similar avoidance issue.Bingo.
Dale can help May find a job. Any of the crummy part-time jobs he ditched, for starters.
Well, definitely NOT at the pizza place. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2530)
I found Marigold's reaction odd, although I can sort of understand it - she'd be jealous of anyone living with her boyfriend, because she is so insecure about herself. But I can't see that she'd be worried about Dale breaking up with her for May; maybe I'm being narrow-minded but we've seen no evidence of human-robot romantic relationships. Also, Marigold has a housemate who she has admitted having feelings for, so she is indeed being a hypocrite. But as we've seen, she's not great at rational thought preceding emotional reaction.
We should put Pintsize, Momo, May, that Mac anthropc I forgot the name and the roomba in the same house and make a reality show.
It will be called "Robot House"(click to show/hide)
Honestly I think she's just angling to be his lodger! I doubt she would appreciate the implication that Dale owner her in any sense, but she needs a place to stay and isn't very good at expressing a desire to be friends.Maybe Dale was the first person to put up with her antics in a stern but fair fashion? Also, I think "ownership" isn't quite a right term to use about AnthroPCs (or AIs) who go for the human companionship thing.
Jeph has changed his mind over the more than ten years the comic has run. In the early strips, robots have owners. The robots refer to their owners as such often, e.g. Momo introduces Marigold as "my owner". As late as the rebodying of Momo, there is talk of "returning" her as if she was purchased like an appliance.
Later Jeph has stated outside of the comic that robots are not property but regarded as people with rights. No robot has refered to "my owner" for a long time.
The system as it is now would not actually work. It must cost money to produce the intelligences. They develop in creches, according to another statement from Jeph. That too must cost money. And then there are the bodies, which can not be cheap. Who pays for all that? There is no indication that the AI starts its life with a debt that must be repaid.
Of course we do not need to know who pays to enjoy the comic. In a work of fiction, especialy a lighthearted one, some things should not be analyzed to closely.
I have to say that given the first chassis Momo rejected at the Idoru store, human/AI romantic relations would be seriously creepy in some ways. I think Jeph's shot that one down with the business about May "being like a Barbie doll" - Momo may, or may not be "fully equipped" but on the whole I think that's a subject best avoided.
If a meat-based person had grabbed Marigold's throat, wouldn't we assume the worst?
On the matter of AIs and AnthroPCs we really need to keep discussions relaxed.All discussions should be relaxed here, yeah, but why should this topic be any more than any other? It's fun to speculate beyond what the comic gives us on the rules of the QC universe, so what's the harm?
On the matter of AIs and AnthroPCs we really need to keep discussions relaxed.All discussions should be relaxed here, yeah, but why should this topic be any more than any other? It's fun to speculate beyond what the comic gives us on the rules of the QC universe, so what's the harm?*
Well no, shipping goes beyond speculation and that's why it's banned, but fair enough.On the matter of AIs and AnthroPCs we really need to keep discussions relaxed.All discussions should be relaxed here, yeah, but why should this topic be any more than any other? It's fun to speculate beyond what the comic gives us on the rules of the QC universe, so what's the harm?*
* Aside from shipping characters of course.
Well, now we know what May is good atHuman/Cyborg Relations?
Human/Robot Relations
I have to say that given the first chassis Momo rejected at the Idoru store, human/AI romantic relations would be seriously creepy in some ways. I think Jeph's shot that one down with the business about May "being like a Barbie doll" - Momo may, or may not be "fully equipped" but on the whole I think that's a subject best avoided.
How does an Anthro PC smell?
May's epithet generator needs upgrading.
The stuff with the Singularity, and the Constitutional amendment are kinda just Jeph's in-universe excuse for 'yeah, I changed my mind about how this works'.
Really, it comes down to perceiving them as "people". Momo et al aren't human. This is why Momo has re-acquired the visible joint around her neck; to remind readers that she ISN'T the young girl she superficially resembles.
Really, it comes down to perceiving them as "people". Momo et al aren't human. This is why Momo has re-acquired the visible joint around her neck; to remind readers that she ISN'T the young girl she superficially resembles.
What if Pintsize is into that?Really, it comes down to perceiving them as "people". Momo et al aren't human. This is why Momo has re-acquired the visible joint around her neck; to remind readers that she ISN'T the young girl she superficially resembles.
Oh, they aren't humans (but I'd call them people), but it has been established in 'verse that those with a chassis like Momo can be easily mistaken for human if one doesn't look to closely. There may be some with even more realistic chassis. But I think that most of Marigold's insecurity about May are more about a possible emotional connexion b/n May and Dale than the thought of them "getting it on". At least when she wasn't being a brat and holding helping Momo purchase her body above her head, she regards her as a person. And Marten has also stated that Pintsize is just a little guy to him. Any abuse Pintsize suffers is firmly about his behaviour, and a *lot* of people I know would happily smack around their human friends if they acted like that.
- a REAL girl of her appearance wouldn't be allowed in bars, fir one thing - but still sufficiently anime-esque to appeal to Marigold, who is very immature herself. May's first reaction to Momo is "great, more anime" after all.
Sam accepts her as human-equivalent in practical terms, but kids that age would.
Dale works various crappy part-time jobs yet rents an apartment, owns a car, and contributes to his mothers' costs.
Jeph said, in some Q&A that I'm too lazy to look up, that the standard human/AI companionship contract requires doing "nothing creepy".From both parties?
There is a difference between 'petite woman' and 'robot with chassis designed to look like 12-year-old girl.'
Because Jeph likes Azumanga Daioh.
Known fact. Also consider that the character Emily has the surname Azuma.
Well, in this QC world there are robots with the mindset like Pintsize, and humans are, human.
So it is certain that not only there is a lot of robot/human romance but also a lot of robot/human sex and even porn.
Well, ok, I don't know any of that.
but you are an outsider to them and will never, ever be otherwisePerhaps you had bad experiences, but you're basically calling all of Japan racist (or at best, xenophobic).
I think Marigold just realized that May is angling to be Dale's anthro-pc, not his girlfriendSorry to go back a bit.... I think my comment started this fork in the conversation and I meant something a little deeper than what my words actually said.Honestly I think she's just angling to be his lodger! I doubt she would appreciate the implication that Dale owner her in any sense, but she needs a place to stay and isn't very good at expressing a desire to be friends.Maybe Dale was the first person to put up with her antics in a stern but fair fashion? Also, I think "ownership" isn't quite a right term to use about AnthroPCs (or AIs) who go for the human companionship thing.
That's the one, Azamu, Azumangu Daewoo, that's the one.Are you for real? With this single sentence you are claiming "HEY THERE I'M A TOTAL DUMMY!" Are you really aiming at passing as a total dummy? Because if so, you're 100% effective. No trace of intelligence can be found in that sentence. Zero. Right after being called out on a misspelling, going for even more misspelling, with an air of "ah well these foreign words all look the same".
So, who'd buy the "I AM THE REASON YOU TWO ARE BONING" t-shirt? :-DOh, me, me, me!
Either that or Ben was being sarcastic.Well I have no respect for offhand sarcasm about "funny foreign things being undistinguishable" either, so it's ultimately irrelevant.
I don't think Momo and Sam ever did "hang out", just that they were thrown together at a time when Momo was still finding her feet. Sam clearly doesn't wander about independently.
Regarding robot/human relations, the chassis Momo rejected at Idoru was a highly anime-style girl in a school uniform.
Regarding robot/human relations, the chassis Momo rejected at Idoru was a highly anime-style girl in a school uniform.
It was a "knock off" of one of the main characters from Lucky Star. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zJXi-FU7sA)
You mention that she's about the same height as Tai, who is probably about 22. She works at a college library, I wouldn't be surprised if students assumed she was a freshman.
I am frequently told I look young and I've been a university student for five years. In my first year it's believable that people might think I was twelve - when I was 20 I went underwear shopping with my mum and the bra-measuring woman said my mum would have to be in the changing room with us as a chaperone because I was under 16.
Basically my point is that you cannot tell how old someone is by looking at them and it's kind of rude to say that grown women can't be small or look young because many of us do.
Did I ever mention I always had a soft spot for May? Because I, like, do.
(I am having trouble sleeping)So why aren't you talking on Facebook? :roll: