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Title: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 10 Feb 2013, 10:17
Amid the Second Great Snowstorm of the Winter of 2012-13, we begin yet another week - and this time, it's about a Wedding!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 10 Feb 2013, 14:21
Veronica drunk I'm fine with.

Claire drunk could be handled well enough but I suspect she'll be keeping her guard high.

Was she drunk at the lake house?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 10 Feb 2013, 14:28
My (generalised) prediction for this storyline (not this week though, there's still some build-up to get out of the way) - Someone is going to get drunk, probably Veronica, and say Claire would be perfect for Marten. And in the process Marten is going to inadvertently outing Claire as trans. Which will help form the punchline for the end of the storyline.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 10 Feb 2013, 15:09
I seriously doubt that Marten would out Claire, even if drunk - quite apart from the fact that it'd be out of character, it would open Jeph up to an awful lot of criticism because that is extremely bad form.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 10 Feb 2013, 16:05
We've never seen Claire intoxicated, have we?

Martenmom, in a troubled mood, drinking: that may be the first explosion, but not the last.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Border Reiver on 10 Feb 2013, 18:24
Veronica drunk would be interesting.  Claire is generally just a little too tightly wound to make a "fun" drunk.  She'd likely end up embarrassing herself without supporting friends (doing the same thing)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mustang6172 on 10 Feb 2013, 18:52
I don't even care about the wedding anymore.  What kind of wackey adventures are Faye and Angus having in the city?  How are Dora and Penny holding up at Coffee of Doom?  What hallucinatory monsters have struken Hannelore?  Is Marigold still kicking Dale's ass at Warcraft?  Will Pintsize fall in love with his reflection in a mirror?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: riccostar on 10 Feb 2013, 19:25
Looks like there is going to be a few drink induced guests at the wedding!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 10 Feb 2013, 19:50
Kinda looks like she was a bit tipsy. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2321) Doesn't appear to have lasted beyond that, though.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 10 Feb 2013, 20:33
I don't even care about the wedding anymore.  What kind of wacky adventures are Faye and Angus having in the city?  How are Dora and Penny holding up at Coffee of Doom?  What hallucinatory monsters have struck Hannelore?  Is Marigold still kicking Dale's ass at Warcraft?  Will Pintsize fall in love with his reflection in a mirror?
Last time Marten left, they had to fight off the Pintsize Apocalypse. This time, maybe Godzilla? Something organic, anyway.

I find referring to New York as THE city rather interesting, especially since it's done in-comic by people who are what, 150 miles from it? I live a couple counties away from LA, but no one calls it anything but LA or Los Angeles. I mean, sure it's big, but it's not like every other community in New England is a hamlet.

Unless I'm massively wrong and they and you are talking about Springfield or something.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 10 Feb 2013, 21:21
Is Dora kicking herself for losing the opportunity to meet Veronica Vance again?

Or will she still? Shouldn't Martenmom take advantage of being within driving distance to spend some quality time with her only child?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 10 Feb 2013, 23:41
I find referring to New York as THE city rather interesting, especially since it's done in-comic by people who are what, 150 miles from it?
I've lived about 20km from the city, er...New York City my whole life, so I'm used to calling it that. I remember when I was in high school visiting a school in Colorado Springs someone mentioned that it was "only 45 minutes from the city" and that sounded weird. Yes, Denver is a city, but the city?

Anyway, I assumed they meant New York because that's what I think of as "the city" and also because Angus went there last time he went away. Although I suppose if anything they could mean Boston (Springfield is far too small for "the" status).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 10 Feb 2013, 23:58
Guys, guys. You are all missing the important point.

There is NO waffles option in the poll.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 11 Feb 2013, 00:03
Throughout South East England, "up to town" commonly means going to London; trains are referred to as "up" or "down" depending on whether they are going to or from London.  When I lived in a village outside Oxford I would say "into town" meaning Oxford as opposed to "up to town" for London.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: snubnose on 11 Feb 2013, 00:23
Okay, why would one not want to see Marten's mother drunk ?

And why is there no Hanners option ?

And why is there no Raven option ?

Also no Waffles ! Spaceham aint no substitute for Waffles !!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 11 Feb 2013, 00:30
Spaceham aint no substitute for Waffles

 :-D
That came close to become my new signature quote.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 11 Feb 2013, 00:33
Lubricus, since we are talking about signatures: could you please, please change the spelling to Pokémon?  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 11 Feb 2013, 00:50
Lubricus, since we are talking about signatures: could you please, please change the spelling to Pokémon?  :psyduck:

Absolutely! Sorry about that.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 11 Feb 2013, 01:02
Thanks!

Now if only I could complete the probability section on Khan academy, and do the laundry, my dreams for today would be fulfilled.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 11 Feb 2013, 02:22
Comic's up!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesariojpn on 11 Feb 2013, 02:24
Claire looks like a real doll in the first panel.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 11 Feb 2013, 02:26
I choose to believe that all but the first panel are directly from Claire's eyes (too bad any surgery she's had didn't give her Terminator vision).

I also choose to believe that she does not have a drink because her milk shake brings all the boys to the yard takes longer to prepare.

Is Marten responding to his dad or his mom, and is his mom referring to Black Sabbath?

Oh hey, just noticed that I am no longer Beyonce, I am just in immediate danger of rape. Yay. I got to be Beyonce during her Inauguration Day performance AND her Superbowl half time show.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 11 Feb 2013, 02:28
But I like circuses...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Near Lurker on 11 Feb 2013, 02:30
As I keep reminding New Yorkers, one must remember the Greek for "to the city"...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Border Reiver on 11 Feb 2013, 02:31
Boring as I am, I kinda see Henry's point.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 11 Feb 2013, 02:31
But I like circuses...
I do too, but there a lot of things they are best not mixed with. Like bread.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 11 Feb 2013, 02:47
Throughout South East England, "up to town" commonly means going to London; trains are referred to as "up" or "down" depending on whether they are going to or from London.  When I lived in a village outside Oxford I would say "into town" meaning Oxford as opposed to "up to town" for London.

Interesting - in Oxford do the students talk about coming up for term, even though they may well live north of the city? We do it here and I find it odd, but the London thing might explain it as we're up from London?

I think MartenMom does in fact mean Black Flag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Flag_%28band%29).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 11 Feb 2013, 02:50
Yes, students here also "come up" (and if they are bad, may get "sent down").

"Up" clearly relates to approaching the perceived centre of the universe.  :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Soulsynger on 11 Feb 2013, 04:05
That must've been one AWKWARD rehearsal dinner.

Martenmom: "This is boring!"
Martendad: "Don't worry honey, it'll be awesome once the elephants go apeshit over the hardcore punk!"

Or am I missing something here?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: WAYF on 11 Feb 2013, 04:13
But I like circuses...
I do too, but there a lot of things they are best not mixed with. Like bread.

I don't know why, but this makes me laugh. :D

I find it very interesting that the Reeds are so casually talking about their own (failed) wedding just before Henry's second one is about to happen. That was a very carefully avoided subject at my brother's second wedding.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DSL on 11 Feb 2013, 04:34
At the risk of being Major Obvious, bucking for Lieutenant Colonel: Veronica does NOT like not being the center of attention. IRL, this could go anywhere. IQC, this could also go anywhere. I'll need to stock up on popcorn.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: LordVaughn on 11 Feb 2013, 04:42
Marten's response in the last panel amused me a lot more than it should have.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 11 Feb 2013, 04:48
I find it very interesting that the Reeds are so casually talking about their own (failed) wedding just before Henry's second one is about to happen.

I have never known an immediately previous partner go to a following wedding of their ex.  However, I have been to a wedding in which the step-children from the previous marriage not merely came but played a prominent part in the ceremony and celebrations.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: RedWolf4 on 11 Feb 2013, 05:25
Y'know, I just realized something. . .

I think Claire is going to be reduced to speechlessness when the grooms equivalent to bridesmaids line up.

Adorable, adorable speechlessness.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 11 Feb 2013, 06:32
Black Flag played at Henry and Veronica's wedding reception.

 :psyduck:

Dear God, if this was the approximate time-frame I'm thinking, it explains SO much.

EDIT: I'm just going to TRY to explain things here:

1. Marten was likely conceived after a concert by one of the most mash-up punk/metal bands in rock history.
2. It likely explains the crowd that (at least) Veronica ran around with.
3. I'm betting Henry's originally from the Bay Area while Mom's from SoCal.
4. Marten is at least 27 years old, and at the MOST 31.
5. If Veronica can't remember the band name, she must not have been as much into music.
6. Which would suggest Henry was more the musical type.
7. Seriously: Black Flag? The only way that could have been more awesome would have to be if it was The Ramones.
8. I got this song stuck in my brain for some reason:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Floorman on 11 Feb 2013, 06:50
It would have had to have been near the end of their run. I seem to recall Marten's age being placed in the mid 20s or so, and according to wikipedia, Black Flag disbanded in '86. I know QC time doesn't quite match up to real time, but placing things too much earlier would put Marten around 30.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DSL on 11 Feb 2013, 06:53
If he's talking to mom, Marten's speech bubble is missing the word "on."
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mike837go on 11 Feb 2013, 06:56
I WAS going to comment about how awkward is it to sit next to your fiancee's ex...

Then I saw the poll.

Nevermind
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 11 Feb 2013, 06:58
Over/Under on number of Awkward Zone Initiations This week?

None at all.    0 (0%)
One or two.    8 (21.6%)
Three to five.    4 (10.8%)
Six to eight.    1 (2.7%)
Nine or 10.    0 (0%)
More than 10.    3 (8.1%)
It depends on how much those involved drink...    9 (24.3%)
...and on the amount of Spathe Ham consumed.    1 (2.7%)
I dunno, but I don't want to see MartenMom drunk.    0 (0%)
Nor Claire.    4 (10.8%)
10 tons of snow will suddenly fall on the cast, dropping the wedding into darkness.    5 (13.5%)
Be realistic: more like 5 tons.    1 (2.7%)
There are no waffles because you eat Pancakes on Fat Tuesday, so there. :P    1 (2.7%) <== For Loki ;)

Total Members Voted: 37
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Welu on 11 Feb 2013, 07:22
I think Jeph said it's been a couple years at most in QC time so if you assume it was the same year in real time and QC time when QC started (2003), they're technically a few years behind us? Does that add anything to the time/wedding/age discussion?

Although I think QC is more in a Simpsons world where some permenant changes happen and they're roughly the same as the start but have still progressed with real time because magic.

Also it took me ages to not read the poll as Awkward Zombie.
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Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 11 Feb 2013, 07:37
As I keep reminding New Yorkers, one must remember the Greek for "to the city"...
I don't know what that is, and attempts to determine it keep getting me travel guides and the Battle of Marathon.

IQC, this could also go anywhere.
Another fail of the Google god. Perhaps I need to upgrade my sacrifices.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Soulsynger on 11 Feb 2013, 07:41
If he's talking to mom, Marten's speech bubble is missing the word "on."
Or "at", depending on the implied object's flight velocity.


Personally, I don't see the problem with attending your homosexual ex-husband's re-wedding. With good communication and mutuality, almost all awkwardness in life can be prevented.


IQC, this could also go anywhere.
Another fail of the Google god. Perhaps I need to upgrade my sacrifices.
Ahaha. Made me smile.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Border Reiver on 11 Feb 2013, 07:44
Yes, students here also "come up" (and if they are bad, may get "sent down").

"Up" clearly relates to approaching the perceived centre of the universe.  :wink:

Toronto? :angel:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Merdrak on 11 Feb 2013, 07:54
I predict amusing awkwardness, though Jeph has been known to curveball the hell out of us... which in all honesty, is even better than a predictable storyline!

Still.  I gotta say, it's going to be amusing no matter the outcome. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Thrudd on 11 Feb 2013, 09:16
Toronto? :angel:
Isn't that referred to as either T.O. by those in the horseshoe and The Big Smoke by those in the cottage zone?
Yeah, Thanks for the smog Michigan  :-P
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 11 Feb 2013, 09:38
Ms. Reed has alluded to having memory problems about that time of her life. No good reason to think she was serious, though.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: CrowFairy on 11 Feb 2013, 09:56
Is it just me, or does everyone's eyebrows in this strip seem... misplaced? Their expressions seem a bit off from what they're actually saying. Mostly, they look more angry than makes sense to me.

Interesting - in Oxford do the students talk about coming up for term, even though they may well live north of the city? We do it here and I find it odd, but the London thing might explain it as we're up from London?

I think MartenMom does in fact mean Black Flag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Flag_%28band%29).
I'm across the pond, and quite a few people I know also use the up/down terminology. I've said on more than one occasion that I'm going "up to Florida," even though I live north of there. "Up" seems to be the term that I use for anywhere that isn't my hometown. I even say I'm going "back down to Tennessee" when I'm heading up from Florida. I'm a lot more conscious of this phrasing these days because I randomly realized one day that it sounded rather odd.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Game and Watch Forever on 11 Feb 2013, 10:35
Is it just me, or does everyone's eyebrows in this strip seem... misplaced? Their expressions seem a bit off from what they're actually saying. Mostly, they look more angry than makes sense to me.

I think you kind of hit what bothered me about this one. Something about the MartenFolks' faces makes me feel like they look sort of bitter thinking about that day, but from the dialogue I feel like they're just reminiscing how silly that particular event was. But maybe I'm just fooling myself and they totally aren't too thrilled thinking about it.

And yeah, Marten just looks angry. I'm not sure I could drop that phrase around my parents, so that probably doesn't help me see it otherwise.  :laugh:

I am excited to see Henry and Veronica interacting though! I really wanted a glimpse as to what sort of dynamic the two of them may have had when they were still together. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 11 Feb 2013, 10:41
I sincerely hope that there won't be a Veronica/Maurice rift anytime soon...that would be UGGLY. (As ugly as Ugg boots).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 11 Feb 2013, 10:42
IQC, this could also go anywhere.
Another fail of the Google god. Perhaps I need to upgrade my sacrifices.

IRL = In Real Life. 

IQC = isn't it obvious? 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 11 Feb 2013, 11:05
In quantifiable concerns.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Feb 2013, 12:58
I'm across the pond, and quite a few people I know also use the up/down terminology. I've said on more than one occasion that I'm going "up to Florida," even though I live north of there. "Up" seems to be the term that I use for anywhere that isn't my hometown. I even say I'm going "back down to Tennessee" when I'm heading up from Florida. I'm a lot more conscious of this phrasing these days because I randomly realized one day that it sounded rather odd.
I don't really use up/down except if I'm shipping up to Boston (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-64CaD8GXw). People in my state will often say they're going "down the shore" when they're going to the beach. I didn't accidentally leave the "to" out of it, that's what they say, and it's as annoying as it sounds.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Floorman on 11 Feb 2013, 13:29
In the US, the up/down thing seems to be regional. In the north, people go "up" to somewhere, and the south people go "down" to somewhere, regardless of the actual geography involved.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Near Lurker on 11 Feb 2013, 14:00
As I keep reminding New Yorkers, one must remember the Greek for "to the city"...
I don't know what that is, and attempts to determine it keep getting me travel guides and the Battle of Marathon.

"Eis ten polin."

(Say it out loud.)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 11 Feb 2013, 14:08
I've said it out loud in every conceivable accent I can think of and it still means nothing. Do you have to be American for this to make sense?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Nepiophage on 11 Feb 2013, 14:17
As I keep reminding New Yorkers, one must remember the Greek for "to the city"...
I don't know what that is, and attempts to determine it keep getting me travel guides and the Battle of Marathon.

"Eis ten polin."


(Say it out loud.)

Istanbul
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Feb 2013, 14:20
In the US, the up/down thing seems to be regional. In the north, people go "up" to somewhere, and the south people go "down" to somewhere, regardless of the actual geography involved.
I've never heard of this.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 11 Feb 2013, 15:14
"Eis ten polin."

(Say it out loud.)

Yeah, this is why you shouldn't get your historical information from songs. It being Greek too and all.  :-D

Us Norse just called it "The Great City" (Miklagarðr) and when people talked about "The city" my mind immediately went to Constantinople as well.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 11 Feb 2013, 16:04
"Eis ten polin."
(Say it out loud.)

I've said it out loud in every conceivable accent I can think of and it still means nothing. Do you have to be American for this to make sense?

Ice Ton Poland?

Yeah,  I wasn't picking up "Istanbul" either, sorry.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: treyhawk on 11 Feb 2013, 16:05
BLACK FLAG?  Henry Rollins, Greg Ginn, and the boys PLAYING A WEDDING?

I am definitely with Marten on this one.

That is one wedding I wish I could have been at.  Where's a frikkin' time machine when you really need one?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Dhays on 11 Feb 2013, 16:38
In the US, the up/down thing seems to be regional. In the north, people go "up" to somewhere, and the south people go "down" to somewhere, regardless of the actual geography involved.

I find that highly inaccurate. I'm from the north and everybody I know and have ever met, most from the Mid-West, uses the word down.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Redball on 11 Feb 2013, 16:47
I don't think Petula Clark was ever heard to sing about "uptown."
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 11 Feb 2013, 17:14
BLACK FLAG?  Henry Rollins, Greg Ginn, and the boys PLAYING A WEDDING?

I am definitely with Marten on this one.

That is one wedding I wish I could have been at.  Where's a frikkin' time machine when you really need one?

The lady who owns one is a bit busy with some domestic issues at the moment. (http://timeslikethis.com/?id=604)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Friendzoning Misandrist on 11 Feb 2013, 17:27
Am I the only one who would love to see a flashback comic of Henry and Veronica's wedding?

I don't really use up/down except if I'm shipping up to Boston (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-64CaD8GXw). People in my state will often say they're going "down the shore" when they're going to the beach. I didn't accidentally leave the "to" out of it, that's what they say, and it's as annoying as it sounds.
A fellow New Jerseyan?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mustang6172 on 11 Feb 2013, 17:58
I've never been to a wedding reception with live music.  Is that strange?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheCollyWolly on 11 Feb 2013, 18:09
I think everyone's missing the most important thing about today's comic: HOLY SHIT BLACK FLAG PLAYING A WEDDING WOULD BE AWESOME

Edit: treyhawk beat me to it, serves me right for not reading the whole thread before I post :/
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Halloween Jack on 11 Feb 2013, 18:28
I would dearly love to see a cameo from Henry Rollins, either present day or flashback.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Feb 2013, 18:28
A fellow New Jerseyan?
Yep. North Jersey if you couldn't tell.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: calmcalamity on 11 Feb 2013, 18:32
I don't even care about the wedding anymore.  What kind of wacky adventures are Faye and Angus having in the city?  How are Dora and Penny holding up at Coffee of Doom?  What hallucinatory monsters have struck Hannelore?  Is Marigold still kicking Dale's ass at Warcraft?  Will Pintsize fall in love with his reflection in a mirror?
Last time Marten left, they had to fight off the Pintsize Apocalypse. This time, maybe Godzilla? Something organic, anyway.

I find referring to New York as THE city rather interesting, especially since it's done in-comic by people who are what, 150 miles from it? I live a couple counties away from LA, but no one calls it anything but LA or Los Angeles. I mean, sure it's big, but it's not like every other community in New England is a hamlet.

Unless I'm massively wrong and they and you are talking about Springfield or something.

I find it fucking fascinating that there's more discussion about the how people phrase that they're 'going somewhere' than about the actual comic, all because of a comment that was about something we aren't even seeing.

Just to add something to this strange, somewhat misplaced, somewhat pointless conversation...

I'll never use the phrase "going/headin' back East." I was born in Hawaii, raised and still live in Oregon. Why would anyone born and raised west of the Mississippi say they were "going back?"
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DSL on 11 Feb 2013, 18:50
Welcome to the QC forum, where people seize on what interests them and sometimes beat it to death ... Come to think of it, welcome to the Internet.

You'll be doing it before long if you stick around.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 11 Feb 2013, 18:50
I would dearly love to see a cameo from Henry Rollins, either present day or flashback.

Ditto on this, though I doubt Jeph would do it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Redball on 11 Feb 2013, 18:51
I'll never use the phrase "going/headin' back East." I was born in Hawaii, raised and still live in Oregon. Why would anyone born and raised west of the Mississippi say they were "going back?"

Maybe because in the not-so-distant past, most people in the west came from somewhere in the east? Migration east to west in the 20th century was intense, and it's possible a habit of speech endured.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 11 Feb 2013, 18:52
This is the first place I've ever been where people talk about going "in town".  Not down town, not in to town, just "intown", like it's oneword.  There's even a mural on one of the larger buildings with "InTown" across the bottom. 

I've haerd "going down shore" all my life, though I don't use it myself.  But at least it sort of makes sense - unless you're in Death Valley, the shore is lower than where you are. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Feb 2013, 18:59
I wasn't objecting about down, I was objecting to the lack of the word "to". They say "I'm going down the shore", rather than "down to the shore" and it just sounds wrong.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 11 Feb 2013, 19:34
Not to mention the SWAT Team that turned up after the Speeches.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: riccostar on 11 Feb 2013, 19:59
I have to comment on how much I like the shading of Claire's hair in today's comic.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Truec on 11 Feb 2013, 21:02
Am I the only one who was hoping, until I finished reading the bubble, that Veronica was about to say Black Sabbath played their wedding?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 11 Feb 2013, 21:28
That wouldn't have been impossible, but unlikely, since I doubt Iommi and company would have been willing to do such a show in Cali at the time.


EDIT: I just realized something - the Ford Focus that Angus drove and the Mazda of Claire's indicate that we're probably only about six months to a year off from "real time" in the QC-verse.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Feb 2013, 21:53
Right, because we can have AI untold decades ahead of time but cars being introduced a few years earlier? Absurd! ::)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aquaisces on 11 Feb 2013, 22:05
I absolutely love the coloring on Veronica's hair. I especially like how it changes based on the "camera distance."
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hakko504 on 11 Feb 2013, 23:59
Am I the only one who was hoping, until I finished reading the bubble, that Veronica was about to say Black Sabbath played their wedding?
No
I don't think Petula Clark was ever heard to sing about "uptown."
Right. That was Billy Joel.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 12 Feb 2013, 01:20
Poor Clarice Claire.  :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: CrowFairy on 12 Feb 2013, 01:23
Okay, those last two panels are freakin' hilarious. One of the funniest strips in a while. Part of it is just due to the fact that I can so imagine this pretty vividly. It's the kind of thing I'd totally find funny if it happened in a room I also happened to be in. :) (Okay, that applies to a lot of things, but there have been a lot of punchlines that come from stuff that just wouldn't work for me if it wasn't a comic strip.)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 12 Feb 2013, 01:24
I feel like Marten in that one comic (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2093), second-to-last-panel.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 12 Feb 2013, 01:24
Ms. Reed seems to have a problem with names: before this it was Marcel/Maurice.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: de_la_Nae on 12 Feb 2013, 01:42
I don't really use up/down except if I'm shipping up to Boston (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-64CaD8GXw). People in my state will often say they're going "down the shore" when they're going to the beach. I didn't accidentally leave the "to" out of it, that's what they say, and it's as annoying as it sounds.

Speaking of beating a dead horse...

In particular, "shipping" is not allowed - there is a discussion of this in the Conduct in this forum thread.

 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Adjamemnon on 12 Feb 2013, 01:49
This just confirms for me that Veronica is a Bene Gesserit.

"The thirty-year-old single malt scotch is life."
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 12 Feb 2013, 01:53
I wonder if being forgetful of names hurts or helps a dominatrix?

"Now Jerry, spread your arms."

"... My name is Jo-"

"Your NAME is whatever I say it is, Jerry!"

"Y-yes Mistress." *blushes*
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Adjamemnon on 12 Feb 2013, 02:01
I just realized I should have said "The spiced rum is life."
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 12 Feb 2013, 02:17
Okay, those last two panels are freakin' hilarious. One of the funniest strips in a while. Part of it is just due to the fact that I can so imagine this pretty vividly.
A different font in the speechbubble might have been an improvement, but otherwise yes, most chucklesome.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Border Reiver on 12 Feb 2013, 02:22
I just realized I should have said "The spiced rum is life."

Your original is truer to reality (IMO), but your amendment is closer to Mr Herbert.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 12 Feb 2013, 02:27
EDIT: I just realized something - the Ford Focus that Angus drove and the Mazda of Claire's indicate that we're probably only about six months to a year off from "real time" in the QC-verse.
Except QC has time dilation, but gets culture from our universe. Presumably, the QC universe runs on UTC in our universe, despite the Earth rotating much more slowly, and the QC characters observing it at what they perceive to be our speed. Of course, that means the date goes up much faster than Earth's rotation in the QCverse.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Visible_One on 12 Feb 2013, 02:43
I love this. Marten's mom is awesome.
 It looks like Claire's hair is panicking!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Soulsynger on 12 Feb 2013, 03:06
I wonder if being forgetful of names hurts or helps a dominatrix?

"Now Jerry, spread your arms."
"... My name is Jo-"
"Your NAME is whatever I say it is, Jerry!"
"Y-yes Mistress." *blushes*
There's goosebumps. WHY ARE THERE GOOSEBUMPS?


@Comic:
I wonder how long it took poor little Marten to become sorta immune to that voice.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: reicreature on 12 Feb 2013, 03:27
Kids become immune to that voice early on. Martin probably figured out just how far to test the bluff by 4 or 5.



There's not much of a difference between "Stern Mistress" voice and "Mean Mommy"


Stern mistress is a little husky though. A bit more growl.
Mean Mommy has a bit of crazy to it.

Not that I am an expert or anything...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Soulsynger on 12 Feb 2013, 03:49
Kids become immune to that voice early on. Martin probably figured out just how far to test the bluff by 4 or 5.
[ ... ]

That's all well and good for him. But what about Marten?  :-D

(Mmmmh... husky voiced mean mommies.)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: techkid on 12 Feb 2013, 03:50
There's not much of a difference between "Stern Mistress" voice and "Mean Mommy"

The difference is between the riding crop and the wooden spoon...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: de_la_Nae on 12 Feb 2013, 03:54
I thought the difference was between informed consent and the fact that children are property! Sort of. Not really, but an easy trap to fall into for some.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Soulsynger on 12 Feb 2013, 04:10
There's not much of a difference between "Stern Mistress" voice and "Mean Mommy"

I'd say depending on the client's wishes there might be no difference at all ...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mike837go on 12 Feb 2013, 05:11
I'd say depending on the client's wishes there might be no difference at all ...

NOW! We are getting into disturbing teritory?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: WAYF on 12 Feb 2013, 05:52
I love it when Jeph makes the hair freak out as much as the face. It's a great cartoon-y sort of effect.

Also, I've just realized that this forum doesn't accept "Jeph" as a legitimate word.
For shame, forum spell-check.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 12 Feb 2013, 05:55
Are you sure that's the forum's spell checker, or your web browser's?

I don't see a forum-specific spell checker here, just my browser's.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 12 Feb 2013, 06:02
Not the forum; but you can teach your own spell checker to spell Jeph and Marten.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Ruhtrax on 12 Feb 2013, 07:03
I love it when Jeph makes the hair freak out as much as the face. It's a great cartoon-y sort of effect.

Also, I've just realized that this forum doesn't accept "Jeph" as a legitimate word.
For shame, forum spell-check.

Well it makes the readers fell more about the character ...
Hm... like a cat or some sort.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Just Karen on 12 Feb 2013, 07:12
I'd say depending on the client's wishes there might be no difference at all ...

NOW! We are getting into disturbing teritory?

Is that disturbing territory?  My disturbing territory trigger's been turned off for a while.

Re: the comic, Dom/me voice is absolutely a thing, even when those around don't know they are dominant.  I've been known to use that voice at work with particularly foolish contractors and clients, and I'm not a pro-domme (though I did consider changing careers at one point).  And it is different than "Mean Mommy", though some D types use "Mean Mommy" instead.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Game and Watch Forever on 12 Feb 2013, 07:31
Okay, those last two panels are freakin' hilarious. One of the funniest strips in a while. Part of it is just due to the fact that I can so imagine this pretty vividly.
A different font in the speechbubble might have been an improvement, but otherwise yes, most chucklesome.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt a different font could have been used to help put a visual on the voice, though I do love her facial expression enough to think any more might be overkill.

Though if it did use a different font, what would it be? I can only think of "bold" and well, Claire's already using that in response and it's obviously not a dom-voice.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 12 Feb 2013, 07:44
Stencil.

Think drill sergeant.

(http://bhtooefr.org/images/qc2383stencil.png)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Feb 2013, 07:55
the fact that children are property!
Where did that come from? :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 12 Feb 2013, 08:18
So it seems like someone is looking to drown their sorrows.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Somebody on 12 Feb 2013, 08:40
I don't get why Veronica is here at all, TBH. Even if you're on fairly good terms with your ex, that doesn't oblige you to attend their remarriage - doubly so when you're one of the few to arrive a day early.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 12 Feb 2013, 08:41
It's not really a dominatrix voice thing, but my speech therapist told me that it's perfectly normal for women to adopt a lower vocal tone when talking about things that are important, or trying to be taken seriously. Gendered voice begins very early in life, even though physiologically children's voice appartus is exactly the same across genders.

Perhaps Veronica was invited?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 12 Feb 2013, 08:49
I don't get why Veronica is here at all, TBH. Even if you're on fairly good terms with your ex, that doesn't oblige you to attend their remarriage - doubly so when you're one of the few to arrive a day early.
Who said she was obliged? She attended because she wanted to.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TRVA123 on 12 Feb 2013, 08:50
I just keep remembering the last time Veronica visited Marten. I'm going to be on the edge of my seat the entire time, worried that she will start acting like a jerk.

Yeah, I think Veronica was invited to the wedding. She and Henry seem to be bros.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 12 Feb 2013, 08:54
BROS! BROS! BROS! 8-)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 12 Feb 2013, 09:53
the fact that children are property!
Where did that come from? :psyduck:

History.

As I understand, it's still law in some places in the US.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesariojpn on 12 Feb 2013, 10:06
Does it count as being outed if your identified by someone else thru a proper pronoun (Marten telling Veronica she's using her Dom voice)?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 12 Feb 2013, 10:12
Clair(ice) already knows her profession.   (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2378)  So no, it's not outing. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 12 Feb 2013, 10:14
Clair(ice)

Welp, someone found her stage-name.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 12 Feb 2013, 10:18
Well, it could still be outing to tell Claire in the car, but I'm getting the impression that she doesn't care THAT much about that being what she's known for.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: judemorrigan on 12 Feb 2013, 10:26
I don't get why Veronica is here at all, TBH. Even if you're on fairly good terms with your ex, that doesn't oblige you to attend their remarriage - doubly so when you're one of the few to arrive a day early.
Who said she was obliged? She attended because she wanted to.
I suspect it might more accurate to say that she decided to attend because she thought she wanted to.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DSL on 12 Feb 2013, 11:12
Until events prove me wrong (they will), I'm going to stick with this hypothesis: Veronica decided to attend, thinking she'd be the center of attention and, having found she isn't, is now dealing with her regrets.
(Secondary motivation: see what Maurice has that she hasn't got, besides the obvious)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 12 Feb 2013, 11:23
Youth, for one...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Irishninja on 12 Feb 2013, 11:49
Did anyone else notice that Veronica's boobs were growing significantly between each panel?
What on earth is going on? :P
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Pilchard123 on 12 Feb 2013, 11:50
I'm blaming camera/viewpoint angles and distances.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 12 Feb 2013, 11:53
Until events prove me wrong (they will), I'm going to stick with this hypothesis: Veronica decided to attend, thinking she'd be the center of attention and, having found she isn't, is now dealing with her regrets.
Why do you think she wants to be the center of attention?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 12 Feb 2013, 12:25
I think Veronica still has romantic feeling for Henry, and because she knows those feelings won't be returned, it hurts her inside. And unfortunately, that's part of being human.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 12 Feb 2013, 13:25
She's just had a misfire of her dom face.

We can imagine that she may realize that she overused it with Marten, and that he's no longer a child.

Somehow she doesn't seem epiphany-prone, but then neither did Ms. Chatham.

Uh-oh, drunk bubbles arising from Martenmom.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Merdrak on 12 Feb 2013, 13:48
Did anyone else notice that Veronica's boobs were growing significantly between each panel?
What on earth is going on? :P

I'm blaming camera/viewpoint angles and distances.

^ Correct.

I think Veronica still has romantic feeling for Henry, and because she knows those feelings won't be returned, it hurts her inside. And unfortunately, that's part of being human.

I think you're onto something there, especially considering that she never stated how she felt with the divorce.  To expand on that theory.. Henry probably, upon the realization of his orientation and/or openly stating it, probably saw the divorce as the right thing to do - for both him and Veronica, so as not to keep either of them locked in a relationship that either couldn't go any further than it had or would have been unhealthy for them both.    Of course, this is all theory.


In my head, I was reminded of Hannibal Lecter for a moment while reading this, until Claire went into "HAGERGERGURK YES MA'AM" mode.     

I wonder if this counts as an awkward zone moment? haha.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Adjamemnon on 12 Feb 2013, 14:07
I think Veronica still has romantic feeling for Henry, and because she knows those feelings won't be returned, it hurts her inside. And unfortunately, that's part of being human.

If this were Reddit, I would upvote you.  I don't know what we do here.

But yes, the marriage probably ended not because Veronica stopped loving Henry, but because Henry realized he didn't love women.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DSL on 12 Feb 2013, 15:04
Until events prove me wrong (they will), I'm going to stick with this hypothesis: Veronica decided to attend, thinking she'd be the center of attention and, having found she isn't, is now dealing with her regrets.
Why do you think she wants to be the center of attention?

Those are the personality traits Jeph's given her: A need to be in control (even outside of, um, work) and a concomitant need for things around her to go her way, oblivious to/uncaring of the cost to anyone else. Most recently, I'm looking at her attitudes and expressions during the conversation around the dinner table; she petulantly interjects her own opinion as an absolute, appears miffed when it's ignored or at least not acknowledged as an absolute (waitaminute ... is this Veronica or the forum?) ... and then when the conversation doesn't go in the direction she wants it to go, she retreats to her friend, Mr. Single Malt.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: RedWolf4 on 12 Feb 2013, 15:44
You're on the internet, and THAT'S disturbing to you?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 12 Feb 2013, 15:58
Stencil.

Think drill sergeant.

(http://bhtooefr.org/images/qc2383stencil.png)
Perfect!!! (Applause)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Near Lurker on 12 Feb 2013, 16:17
It's not really a dominatrix voice thing, but my speech therapist told me that it's perfectly normal for women to adopt a lower vocal tone when talking about things that are important, or trying to be taken seriously. Gendered voice begins very early in life, even though physiologically children's voice appartus is exactly the same across genders.

...is that just women?  I don't think it is...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Redball on 12 Feb 2013, 17:38
Does anyone else see something skunky about Veronica's hair coloring?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mustang6172 on 12 Feb 2013, 17:53
Stencil.

Think drill sergeant.

(http://bhtooefr.org/images/qc2383stencil.png)

Drill Sergeant voices are more about giving orders to people in confused states.  A dom voice should be authoritative but not overwhelming.  This looks like a job for Times New Roman!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Ruhtrax on 12 Feb 2013, 18:01
I wonder how Dom-voice sounds like ...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mustang6172 on 12 Feb 2013, 18:35
Video search for "Fem-dom."

Thank me later.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 12 Feb 2013, 19:05
Stencil.

Think drill sergeant.

(http://bhtooefr.org/images/qc2383stencil.png)

Drill Sergeant voices are more about giving orders to people in confused states.  A dom voice should be authoritative but not overwhelming.  This looks like a job for Times New Roman!

R. Lee Ermy would be proud of Veronica.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: celticgeek on 12 Feb 2013, 19:59
Apparently Claire (Clarice) doesn't like antique single malts. 

It does not exactly seem to agree with Veronica, either.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MillionDollar Belt Sander on 12 Feb 2013, 20:07
DRAMABOMB! 

DUCK!!!   :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 12 Feb 2013, 20:19
Hmm, I wonder if someone's maintained a list of bad reactions to the taste of an alcoholic beverage in QC. Claire's might be the most over the top.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aquaisces on 12 Feb 2013, 20:24
Poor Veronica. Poor Claire. (Claire's hair! It reacts!)

Also, I think Claire's mouth in panel 2 (and Marten's in panel 4) have been left uncolored for some reason...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 12 Feb 2013, 20:26
So Veronica is drowning her sorrows because she feels all alone?
Knew it!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sorflakne on 12 Feb 2013, 20:29
Weddings, man...they have that innate ability to make single people realize that they are alone (relationship-wise).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jmucchiello on 12 Feb 2013, 20:31
The hand in panel 3 made me laugh.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 12 Feb 2013, 20:35
Well, it's a good thing that Marten knows a strapping young lad who should be coming out of a funk and looking for someone intellectually challenging right about... now.  Veronica already knows his sister! :psyduck: :evil:

Also, I think Claire's mouth in panel 2 (and Marten's in panel 4) have been left uncolored for some reason...
Those are gritted teeth.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mustang6172 on 12 Feb 2013, 20:42
Poor Veronica. Poor Claire. (Claire's hair! It reacts!)

This strip takes place in summer.  I presume there is an oscilating fan in the bar.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aquaisces on 12 Feb 2013, 20:50
Quote
Also, I think Claire's mouth in panel 2 (and Marten's in panel 4) have been left uncolored for some reason...
Those are gritted teeth.

You're sure? Cuz Marten!tongue. That or his teeth are super-curvy.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aquaisces on 12 Feb 2013, 21:02
Well, it's a good thing that Marten knows a strapping young lad who should be coming out of a funk and looking for someone intellectually challenging right about... now.  Veronica already knows his sister! :psyduck: :evil:

I think they've already met, actually.  :roll:
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1831 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1831)

Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: StevenC on 12 Feb 2013, 21:07
Oh good. At first I thought they meant Clinton.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 12 Feb 2013, 21:17
You're sure? Cuz Marten!tongue. That or his teeth are super-curvy.
No comprende. His tongue is behind his teeth, why is that a factor?

I think they've already met, actually.  :roll:
 Martenmom meets Sven
 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1831)

That's right, I guess I forgot about that. Of course, I try to forget that whole visit.

On the plus side, the attraction has already been noted!

Oh good. At first I thought they meant Clinton.
"They?" No one said it besides me.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aquaisces on 12 Feb 2013, 21:26
You're sure? Cuz Marten!tongue. That or his teeth are super-curvy.
No comprende. His tongue is behind his teeth, why is that a factor?

Try zooming in; there's a round line inside his mouth that looks to me like his tongue, only not colored in. Now that I'm zoomed in, I see Claire's got the same issue going on.

I could be totally wrong of course. Those could be sketch lines that weren't properly erased or something.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 12 Feb 2013, 21:29
So the casual sex is not meeting her needs.

This has got to be awkward for Claire.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: StevenC on 12 Feb 2013, 21:50
You're sure? Cuz Marten!tongue. That or his teeth are super-curvy.
No comprende. His tongue is behind his teeth, why is that a factor?

I think they've already met, actually.  :roll:
 Martenmom meets Sven
 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1831)

That's right, I guess I forgot about that. Of course, I try to forget that whole visit.

On the plus side, the attraction has already been noted!

Oh good. At first I thought they meant Clinton.
"They?" No one said it besides me.
And I don't know your gender so I used the neutral they.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarethG on 12 Feb 2013, 21:56
Long time lurker first time poster Claire's reaction faces remind me of  Hannelores
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Arancaytar on 12 Feb 2013, 22:02
Veronica could check to see if Sven (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1831) is still single.

Or, well, a world of no.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: themacnut on 12 Feb 2013, 22:13
So the casual sex is not meeting her needs.

This has got to be awkward for Claire.

Seems like Claire's a bit too busy recovering from the scotch's savage kick.

Veronica could check to see if Sven (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1831) is still single.

Sure why not, Marten's hasn't been embarrassedhumiliated enough by his mother's antics, seducing one of his friends should be icing on the cake.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aquaisces on 12 Feb 2013, 22:21
Long time lurker first time poster Claire's reaction faces remind me of  Hannelores
(click to show/hide)

It might be the same drink!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: calmcalamity on 12 Feb 2013, 22:26
Long time lurker first time poster Claire's reaction faces remind me of  Hannelores
(click to show/hide)

For me, it's more like the first time Marigold tried hard liquor (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1626).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 12 Feb 2013, 22:33
Try zooming in; there's a round line inside his mouth that looks to me like his tongue, only not colored in. Now that I'm zoomed in, I see Claire's got the same issue going on.
I could be totally wrong of course. Those could be sketch lines that weren't properly erased or something.
Still not seeing it, but that doesn't mean much- mine eye is not great at fine detail.

And I don't know your gender so I used the neutral they.
You know my (user)name. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnzgdBAKyJo)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: WAYF on 12 Feb 2013, 22:50
Long time lurker first time poster Claire's reaction faces remind me of  Hannelores
(click to show/hide)


Very well spotted, though if I recall correctly, Claire is still doing better than Marigold did. I'm pretty sure the tear ducts got involved.

WELL NOW.
This is interesting.
And I'm calling it now: It's not going to have a resolution. Everybody's just going to have to put on a brave face for the happy couple's sake. Though props to Henry for noticing that something was wrong.

OH HEY, I just noticed when I was confirming that Henry's fiancée's name was Maurice,
Veronica has a habit of getting people's names wrong. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=434)

Jeph, if that piece of characterization was intentional, you are crazy good.
(If not, you're just agitated good, or whatever one step down from crazy is. :P )
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 12 Feb 2013, 23:07
Mama Drama is the best/worst drama. 


Then there's Domme Momma Drama. 

Sorry, I just needed to say that. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 12 Feb 2013, 23:20
Ok, now we've got to find Veronica a soulmate.
Because no-one should feel like that. In Vino Veritas.

Pintsize is the obvious choice.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 12 Feb 2013, 23:32
Totally called it. And no amount of literal manhandling is going to make the pain of loneliness any easier for poor Veronica...I really feel bad for her.

That is, until Jimbo comes along and sweeps her off her feet. :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 12 Feb 2013, 23:39
I wonder if she's one of those performers who feels like they are always on stage and can never break character.

Pintsize could keep up with the peanut oil and trout, but she is likely missing an emotional closeness for which he'd be the wrong choice.

Very Weird Thought: why did Ms. Reed think of Claire as a Clarice (http://ec2.gwscomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Clarice.jpg)? Has she perceived a potential hidden talent? The other Clarice is a librarian, after all.

This keeps making more sense: Claire can be completely assertive, and is good at sizing people up (Marten was a great choice to confide in).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 12 Feb 2013, 23:47
The veneer she's been wearing must've worn pretty thin by now.  One question from her son cracked the whole thing wide open. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 12 Feb 2013, 23:55
ALL HANDS, ALL HANDS


BRACE FOR DRAMA IMPACT.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pendrake on 13 Feb 2013, 00:09
For comic #2384...


1. I cannot remember the last time I had a drink of such good quality/age which gave me Clare's reaction.  Plenty of bad quality ones, though... :psyduck:

2. I liked panel #3, with Ms. Vance's face.  If you look a bit closer at the bottom of her eyes you can see her straining to maintain her composure before breaking down in panel #4.  Good art detailing there.

3. I look forward to seeing if Marten can rise to the challenge of dealing with his distraught dominatrix mother, given recent times & strips of Marten showing a lot of growth & maturity.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 13 Feb 2013, 00:12
He's there to support and help his friends, but you know you're grown up when you do that for your parents. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 13 Feb 2013, 01:36
Claire could take over the family business.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Akima on 13 Feb 2013, 02:27
Dom-voice? Is that, like, a Bene Gesserit thing?  :-D

The veneer she's been wearing must've worn pretty thin by now.  One question from her son cracked the whole thing wide open.
One question and too much booze. Perhaps she's always been a maudlin drunk?

Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Feb 2013, 02:41
One question, too much booze and her ex-husband's wedding.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: techkid on 13 Feb 2013, 03:07
I don't know if I feel worse for Veronica, or Marten.

Relationship drama would hit pretty hard by her age (early to mid 40's, would you say?). She probably no longer feels satisfied just sleeping with someone, and wants someone to be with.

It would speak volumes of Marten's own maturity, if he can talk with his own mother through this.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Border Reiver on 13 Feb 2013, 04:29
ALL HANDS, ALL HANDS


BRACE FOR DRAMA IMPACT.

XO, REPORT TO DAMAGE CONTROL.

I can rater see how the whole thing is a wee bit damaging to Ms Reed's sense of self worth:

a.  Start with being a successful model and object of desire;
b.  Add marriage and child, I'm winning in the affirmation of self image here!;
c.  Hey, that partner you thought you had?  Not only is he no longer attracted to you, but he has rejected your whole gender!  (Well, maybe not, but it could have gone down that way - yes I know that desire is not a polar option - I don't have the space for a book here);
d. Hey look!  He's found a stable relationship that he's going to affirm, and all I've got is a series of one offs to affirm (for now) that I'm still attractive, but there's that void;
e.  Dammit! Scotch doesn't fill the void!

This one is going to be another interesting arc.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Throg on 13 Feb 2013, 04:55
Long time lurker first time poster Claire's reaction faces remind me of  Hannelores
(click to show/hide)

For me, it's more like the first time Marigold tried hard liquor (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1626).

The vast chasm between "hard liquor" and "scotch that's older than you are."

Claire's reactions are hilarious, btw.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: JRDelirio on 13 Feb 2013, 04:56
ALL HANDS, ALL HANDS


BRACE FOR DRAMA IMPACT.

XO, REPORT TO DAMAGE CONTROL.

I can rater see how the whole thing is a wee bit damaging to Ms Reed's sense of self worth:

a.  Start with being a successful model and object of desire;
b.  Add marriage and child, I'm winning in the affirmation of self image here!;
c.  Hey, that partner you thought you had?  Not only is he no longer attracted to you, but he has rejected your whole gender!  (Well, maybe not, but it could have gone down that way - yes I know that desire is not a polar option - I don't have the space for a book here);
d. Hey look!  He's found a stable relationship that he's going to affirm, and all I've got is a series of one offs to affirm (for now) that I'm still attractive, but there's that void;
e.  Dammit! Scotch doesn't fill the void!

This one is going to be another interesting arc.
That would give the whole "hey, isn't he a catch" line of conversation in her initial encounter with Claire an added dimension.  (And it does not even have to include the "gender rejection" part at all, specially for someone involved in nonconventional sexual expression anyway; just the sense that "what I bring is not what everyone wants".)

Henry recognized earlier than Marten that something was not quite right; casual observers thought she was being just her usual "I'm the one in control, do what i say" self when it was more of an "I'm trying hard to maintain and using the tools I know how to use".  When she earlier did the "I'll be at the bar" bit it was noticeable she was a bit off kilter... and we find her solidly parked at the bar by herself before and after dinner.  When she reflexively used the weirding voice against an innocent third party was when Marten felt he needed to follow up further.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Soulsynger on 13 Feb 2013, 05:25
Hm... there there, Veronica. What about Sven? (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1831) Is that still an option?

And btw. does anybody know Veronica's last name? Even the wiki lists her as a "Reed" but that was only Henry's last name... right? Right?!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 13 Feb 2013, 05:27
She may not have bothered to change it back to her maiden name after the divorce.

Especially given the circumstances.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 13 Feb 2013, 05:50
Why does everone bring up Sven? I can't imagine Veronica needs another boytoy, and certainly not that she'll find true love and everlasting happiness with young Mr. Bianchi...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 13 Feb 2013, 05:55
Raise your hand if you saw something like this coming.





(Boy, that's a lot of raised hands...)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr_Rose on 13 Feb 2013, 05:58
Maybe Vance was her maiden name and she kept it as her nom de guerre for professional reasons after her marriage?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 13 Feb 2013, 05:59
I can't shake the feeling that Henry was a bit cruel to set Marten up for having to handle his mother's breakdown...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aquaisces on 13 Feb 2013, 06:05
Hm... there there, Veronica. What about Sven? (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1831) Is that still an option?

And btw. does anybody know Veronica's last name? Even the wiki lists her as a "Reed" but that was only Henry's last name... right? Right?!

This post is quite ironic, considering the comic posted therein.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Ran on 13 Feb 2013, 06:29
I am the only one to think of Jim as a good match to Ms. Reed? I'm pretty sure that a professional dominatrix would like to have an assertive older man back at home... were it only to take a break from work :)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Black Sword on 13 Feb 2013, 06:40
I can't shake the feeling that Henry was a bit cruel to set Marten up for having to handle his mother's breakdown...

I don't think it's cruel. The man has known her longer than Marten has been alive and seems as sensitive to the moods and needs of others as his son. He's aware something's wrong, but he's aware enough to know that she probably doesn't want to admit it to him. He took the measure he could take, which was send their son, a person they both love and trust, to be there for her, just in case.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 13 Feb 2013, 06:42
What actually scares me is, in doing the numbers, I'm only a couple of years younger than either Henry or Veronica.  :psyduck:

I'd prefer not to ship Ms. Vance. I'd feel too cougar-y about it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 13 Feb 2013, 06:45
Uhm, question?

When exactly did Jeph start drawing the strip?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rimbala on 13 Feb 2013, 07:19
I wasn't objecting about down, I was objecting to the lack of the word "to". They say "I'm going down the shore", rather than "down to the shore" and it just sounds wrong.

I'm from Suburbian Philadelphia, I remember growing up, when speaking about going into the City, that it was always "Going Downtown". As far as where we went in the summer, it was "Downa Shore". And you could tell where folks were from in the Philly area by what Shore town that they would stay at...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rimbala on 13 Feb 2013, 07:40
Stencil.

Think drill sergeant.

(http://bhtooefr.org/images/qc2383stencil.png)

Drill Sergeant voices are more about giving orders to people in confused states.  A dom voice should be authoritative but not overwhelming.  This looks like a job for Times New Roman!
Bolded, of course.
A 'Command voice', such as used by LEO's and NCO's, should have tones that allow no option of refusial, in a Dom/Sub relationship, it is a voluntary obedience and exchange of power within the scene that allows it to be effective. Claire's reaction to it is rather telling about her personality...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 13 Feb 2013, 07:43
When exactly did Jeph start drawing the strip?

2003, I think.

Edit:
Quote from: QC About page
When did you start doing QC?
The first strips went online on August 1, 2003.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mad Cat on 13 Feb 2013, 08:17
Single malt Scotch often has that effect on me too.

Not Claire's reaction. Martin's mom's reaction.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Merdrak on 13 Feb 2013, 08:52
Awkward Zone Initiated.

Let's hope Marten can help her through it.   I think people are on track with Henry sending Marten after her... she obviously wouldn't open to him considering the circumstances.   

I'm quite curious to see what becomes of this.

EDIT:  Marten's face screams "MOTHER OF GOD WHAT HAS JUST HAPPENED."  Then again, considering what he knows of his mother, this likely isn't something that normally happens or that he's ever seen.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 13 Feb 2013, 08:58
Yeah when mom's a dominatrix you usually don't see her in the light of being weak or vulnerable in any way shape or form.

Oddly this is what happens to me on vodka mixed with self loathing as opposed to 21+ year old whiskey. I've been there Ms. Reed! Have another drink and push through it!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Feb 2013, 09:38
I am the only one to think of Jim as a good match to Ms. Reed? I'm pretty sure that a professional dominatrix would like to have an assertive older man back at home... were it only to take a break from work :)
Older than her usual, perhaps, but still a good decade or so younger than Veronica, so I'm not sure "older man" really fits. :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Ashtagon on 13 Feb 2013, 10:13
I don't think Petula Clark was ever heard to sing about "uptown."

That's because she wasn't an uptown girl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCuMWrfXG4E)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: idontunderstand on 13 Feb 2013, 11:53
I'm not sure if it has been discussed already, but I can't decide if it's nice or cold of Henry to invite his ex-wife to his wedding. Is that common?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 13 Feb 2013, 13:02
I'm not sure if it has been discussed already, but I can't decide if it's nice or cold of Henry to invite his ex-wife to his wedding. Is that common?
It depends on their relationship. Everything we've been told indicates that they are good friends.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ElvisRevenge on 13 Feb 2013, 13:13
Aw, Ms. Reed's face in the third panel.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: riccostar on 13 Feb 2013, 13:37
I believe Veronica used force asphyxiate on Claire.

and:
Totally called it. And no amount of literal manhandling is going to make the pain of loneliness any easier for poor Veronica...I really feel bad for her.

That is, until Jimbo comes along and sweeps her off her feet. :psyduck:

yes, Jimbo. There is no other option. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Blood-Tree on 13 Feb 2013, 14:07
yes, Jimbo. There is no other option.

There is always another option...

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: CartoonPiranha on 13 Feb 2013, 15:17
What about that older dude with the kid that Dora dated very briefly? I can't recall his name, but this seems veeeery much like a set up for him and Veronica.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Demon on 13 Feb 2013, 15:23
lol, I wonder if Claire is about to become Veronicas sissy slave. That could be funny.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 13 Feb 2013, 15:33
What about that older dude with the kid that Dora dated very briefly? I can't recall his name, but this seems veeeery much like a set up for him and Veronica.
He was already mentioned - Jim.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 13 Feb 2013, 15:49
I can't shake the feeling that Henry was a bit cruel to set Marten up for having to handle his mother's breakdown...

I don't think it's cruel. The man has known her longer than Marten has been alive and seems as sensitive to the moods and needs of others as his son. He's aware something's wrong, but he's aware enough to know that she probably doesn't want to admit it to him. He took the measure he could take, which was send their son, a person they both love and trust, to be there for her, just in case.

I think he's just plain oblivious. He's in LUUURRRVVVVE, doncha know?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 13 Feb 2013, 17:03
lol, I wonder if Claire is about to become Veronicas sissy slave. That could be funny.
I think not... while my knowledge (even theoretical) of BDSM is limited, I get the impression that in order to be a "sissy"of any kind, one must be male. It's the delicious thrill of being humiliated, being treated like a girl, that causes the emotional buzz in some guys. For a gal, a big yawn, and probably patronising too, the kind of thing that makes even old chooks like me start talking about Pariarchal misogyny and unleashing my inner Feminist.  NOT a pretty sight.

In order to torture Claire in an equivalent way, you'd have to butch her up - buzzcut her hair, bind her chest, treat her like a boy. She's had at least 15  years of that already, and didn't enjoy one second of it. At this stage, it would likely be very damaging. In 10-20 years, no more so than for any other woman, but right now, contra-indicated. As funny as a rubber crutch in a room floored with broken glass.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mustang6172 on 13 Feb 2013, 18:16
lol, I wonder if Claire is about to become Veronicas sissy slave. That could be funny.
I think not... while my knowledge (even theoretical) of BDSM is limited, I get the impression that in order to be a "sissy"of any kind, one must be male. It's the delicious thrill of being humiliated, being treated like a girl, that causes the emotional buzz in some guys. For a gal, a big yawn, and probably patronising too, the kind of thing that makes even old chooks like me start talking about Pariarchal misogyny and unleashing my inner Feminist.  NOT a pretty sight.

In order to torture Claire in an equivalent way, you'd have to butch her up - buzzcut her hair, bind her chest, treat her like a boy. She's had at least 15  years of that already, and didn't enjoy one second of it. At this stage, it would likely be very damaging. In 10-20 years, no more so than for any other woman, but right now, contra-indicated. As funny as a rubber crutch in a room floored with broken glass.

Are you saying women are submissive by default?  If so that's some kind of -ism and probably a bad one!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 13 Feb 2013, 19:00
I didn't read it that way.

In fact I can't read it that way if I try.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 13 Feb 2013, 19:20
lol, I wonder if Claire is about to become Veronicas sissy slave. That could be funny.

Pornography =/= Real Life. For the record being called a faggot isn't sexy either.

I get the impression that in order to be a "sissy"of any kind, one must be male.

By definition it's an effeminate male, not a transperson. Just as how crossdressers aren't transgender, since if they are.. then they aren't crossdressing.

It's the delicious thrill of being humiliated, being treated like a girl, that causes the emotional buzz in some guys. For a gal, a big yawn, and probably patronising too

Not so much with the "humiliated" part, but it's worth noting people who cope with Gender Dysphoria prior to accepting it with stuff like that. Like those in "drag" who eventually do transition, because they realized they weren't there for the same reasons as the others.

Claire is certainly not a self-denying closet-case, though, so obviously that doesn't apply (and the word is wrong in either case). It's just that the "treated like a girl" (http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/6330/nitorin1.png) part prior to figuring yourself out more.. that was always nice, so it wouldn't surprise me to find some cases who got that stuff confused for a while, even if I personally didn't.

Are you saying women are submissive by default?  If so that's some kind of -ism and probably a bad one!

I don't see where you're reading that in the post. Although that's still statistically true. There's a big difference between "generally more X" and "all X". The former is reality, the latter nonsense.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: CartoonPiranha on 13 Feb 2013, 20:48
What about that older dude with the kid that Dora dated very briefly? I can't recall his name, but this seems veeeery much like a set up for him and Veronica.
He was already mentioned - Jim.

Ahhh my mistake, I couldn't remember his name at all and figured that the folk saying Jim were referring to Jimbo
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 13 Feb 2013, 21:12
Jim ≠ Jimbo.

Check the Cast List. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/cast.php) :parrot:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 13 Feb 2013, 21:48
I get the impression that in order to be a "sissy"of any kind, one must be male.

Webster's includes the meaning "a cowardly person", and up to now I would have had no hesitation in using it like that.  However, Googling the word brings up so much sexual stuff that I am (a) startled, and (b) likely to avoid using the word again in case I say something I didn't intend.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Indicible on 13 Feb 2013, 22:03
Ah, yes, the delicious intricacies of sexual behaviours. I am a bit like Pintsize on this one: I find fascinating what people do sexually. Well, not vanilla (which is simple in terms of fulfilled needs, endorphins and all that) but the rest is simply mind-boggling.
For a glimpse into the mechanics of some more risqué stuff, may I recommend the webcomic Sunstone (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Webcomic/Sunstone). I linked the TVTRopes page, to avoid any NSFW mishap.
For those who do not know that webcomic: it is ia character-centred comic about the love-life of a group of persons who have an interest in BDSM. What makes it special (apart from the quality of drawing. Well, the author is a pro...) is the amount of care given to the psychology of the characters. It is far from a porn-excuse, and is actually a thoroughly well thought-out tale.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 13 Feb 2013, 22:34
Cue Tom Lehrer:

The Masochism Tango (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHID8hMgWKc)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 13 Feb 2013, 23:19
Jim ≠ Jimbo.
May I ask how you created that character?

It is far from a porn-excuse, and is actually a thoroughly well thought-out tale.
It would have to be, to get through TVTropes newish PG-13 rating.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Feb 2013, 23:58
TVTropes changed again? I used to go on it all the time, then came back a year or so later and found all the fun back-and-forth in the entries gone, as well as the entirety of Troper Tales, plus a few other things I liked that were gone.

Not sure what "Control Top" means but it makes me think of Muffin Top (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2iqxQcx-NY). Claire's not giving up on that scotch, good for her, I guess.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesariojpn on 13 Feb 2013, 23:59
lol, I wonder if Claire is about to become Veronicas sissy slave. That could be funny.

Careful, you might be accused of shipping, which is a no-no here.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 14 Feb 2013, 00:00
Claire is cuter than a puppy licking a child's ears.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 14 Feb 2013, 00:08
She may have spilled it, but I'm impressed she at least landed the glass on the counter while she fainted I've heard of stuff that'll knock you out, but that's ridiculous.

I like how in the last panel Marten looks completely unconcerned with either the fainting or his mom's spare tire.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 14 Feb 2013, 00:10
I like how in the last panel Marten looks completely unconcerned with either the fainting or his mom's spare tire.

Well, neither will be unfamiliar territory for him, considering his family and friends. I agree, though - that's Marten at his finest!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 14 Feb 2013, 00:12
He seemed to be concerned for Claire's well-being.

Marten, my social protocol database suggests that your mom doesn't need logical reassurance but instead should be hugged.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Soulsynger on 14 Feb 2013, 00:15
Hm... there there, Veronica. What about Sven? (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1831) Is that still an option?
And btw. does anybody know Veronica's last name? Even the wiki lists her as a "Reed" but that was only Henry's last name... right? Right?!
This post is quite ironic, considering the comic posted therein.
No it isn't.


@Comic:
I never understood people who push themselves to drink stuff they don't like the taste of. Then again, I don't even understand how ANYONE could like the taste of alcohol at all.
To me, people drinking scotch/whiskey/rum and "enjoying" at are just very good at preventing their face from going "BLERGH!" and lying about it.  :-D


...
Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Shut up! You said that already!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 14 Feb 2013, 00:20
TVTropes changed again? I used to go on it all the time, then came back a year or so later and found all the fun back-and-forth in the entries gone, as well as the entirety of Troper Tales, plus a few other things I liked that were gone.
Yep. Change happens, of course, but Google flagged Naughty Tentacles and pulled ad support (apparently someone found it offensive), and depending on who you ask, the site owner either overreacted and shot down anything even vaguely porny or rapey (as in, any trope in the Rape Trope category disappeared for a while), or used it as an excuse to do some personally desired censoring.

The two things you mention had similar slash and burn responses. The Tropers Tales were basically a dumping ground for trolls and creepiness, but most were still fine (being attached to tropes that didn't lend themselves to abuse unlike, say, Kissing Cousins). I kind of agree with the other one, because people kept on treating examples as forums. The idea was to make them just examples and have the wiki written with one voice.

I can say all this because I've been a formatting and sentence structure editor for media and tropes I liked on the site for a while now, but I stay far on the outside of any of this administrative stuff. I figure it's still a useful tool.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 14 Feb 2013, 00:21
He seemed to be concerned for Claire's well-being.

Marten, my social protocol database suggests that your mom doesn't need logical reassurance but instead should be hugged.
Fainting trumps midlife crises, though. She can get a hug next strip.

@Comic:
I never understood people who push themselves to drink stuff they don't like the taste of. Then again, I don't even understand how ANYONE could like the taste of alcohol at all.
To me, people drinking scotch/whiskey/rum and "enjoying" at are just very good at preventing their face from going "BLERGH!" and lying about it.  :-D
Disagree with the first part, agreed on the second. Everything's worth a try or two, even if it was so overpowering the first time that your taste buds barely had a chance.

That said, I've tried alcohol of various types on various occasions, and it's never seemed remotely palatable. Not light beer, dark beer, multiple types of wine, rum, whiskey, Margaritas that were 9/10 fruit juice, vodka, sprite and vodka that was 9/10 ice, or anything else. At best, it tastes like someone terminally screwed up a perfectly good drink by adding alcohol. At worst, it was alcohol.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Soulsynger on 14 Feb 2013, 00:24
He seemed to be concerned for Claire's well-being.
Marten, my social protocol database suggests that your mom doesn't need logical reassurance but instead should be hugged.
Fainting trumps midlife crises, though. She can get a hug next strip.

For me, my mom wiggling her stomach around would be a very hug-preventing sight.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 14 Feb 2013, 00:27
Quote from: The Love Jacques
Really interesting how everyone is responding to Claire's scotch troubles and not Marten's mom. I thought that was just a throwaway gag!

We are being watched! Quick, everyone, act normally!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 14 Feb 2013, 00:30
She still goes by "Reed" socially (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=433).

How does anyone develop an acquired taste without some persistence? Anyway Claire doesn't seem like the type to give up easily.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 14 Feb 2013, 00:31
Quote from: The Love Jacques
Really interesting how everyone is responding to Claire's scotch troubles and not Marten's mom. I thought that was just a throwaway gag!

We are being watched! Quick, everyone, act normally!
Um... man,  that is some spare tire, Martenmom! Looks like she needs a mechanic, ifyouknowwhatImean.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: gopher on 14 Feb 2013, 00:36
It is tricky to feel too much sympathy for Veronica as she is wealthy, has men throwing themselves at her and is still a fox.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 14 Feb 2013, 00:48
Quote from: The Love Jacques
Really interesting how everyone is responding to Claire's scotch troubles and not Marten's mom. I thought that was just a throwaway gag!

We are being watched! Quick, everyone, act normally!
Um... man,  that is some spare tire, Martenmom! Looks like she needs a mechanic, ifyouknowwhatImean.

You know what, enough of this! GET OUT! JUST GET OUT! (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=741)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: snubnose on 14 Feb 2013, 00:53
We are being watched! Quick, everyone, act normally!
Okay, okay !

Wait... how does one even do that ?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Soulsynger on 14 Feb 2013, 00:59
It's been scientifically proven impossible when called to do it.

... we could just talk about butts?


edit:
Also, if he brought it with him, this (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=753) might cheer up Veronica a little bit.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 14 Feb 2013, 01:05
I thought the "normal" actions of any forumites would be to perform shipping. And we're not allowed to do that. We're screwed, people!  :psyduck: :evil:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 14 Feb 2013, 01:27
Maybe it's because I've been on this forum for such a long time but I really don't ever think "I wish we were allowed to ship". I'd rather leave that sort of decision to Jeph. It just doesn't cross my mind.

I can't really decide whether Veronica deserves lots of loving support, or needs a good shake to get her back into her senses. Because as Marten says, she could probably just find a relationship if she needed one.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 14 Feb 2013, 02:17
The problem is, I suspect she'd have to wade through a sea of fans trying to get into her pants, before she actually got a relationship.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: StevenC on 14 Feb 2013, 03:16
Claire looks like a deactivated anthro pc there in the last few panels. She doesn't have pupils anymore.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: techkid on 14 Feb 2013, 03:32
Maybe it's because I've been on this forum for such a long time but I really don't ever think "I wish we were allowed to ship". I'd rather leave that sort of decision to Jeph. It just doesn't cross my mind.
I'm with you on that. I don't mind seeing where Jeph goes with his comic. Shipping characters is about as appealing as when (if not 'back in the day' as in my case) you're at school and the popular girls (or guys, whatever the case may be), walk up to the obviously un-popular kid (in my case, me), and say that their friend likes them.

I can't really decide whether Veronica deserves lots of loving support, or needs a good shake to get her back into her senses. Because as Marten says, she could probably just find a relationship if she needed one.
In this case, both will probably end up being one and the same. She's spent years relying on T&A to get what she wanted. Now with this wedding happening, she's finally realised what she wanted isn't what she was after: happiness and love.

Claire looks like a deactivated anthro pc there in the last few panels. She doesn't have pupils anymore.
Her brother would be jealous if he heard you say that (either that, or prepare his tool kit to check...)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 14 Feb 2013, 04:14
Time for Marten to choose: in a crisis - friend or family?  Looks like friend is ahead, though her crisis is also more acute I guess.  Also he may feel responsible for getting her involved in the scenario in the first place.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Demon on 14 Feb 2013, 04:34
lol, I wonder if Claire is about to become Veronicas sissy slave. That could be funny.
I think not... while my knowledge (even theoretical) of BDSM is limited, I get the impression that in order to be a "sissy"of any kind, one must be male. It's the delicious thrill of being humiliated, being treated like a girl, that causes the emotional buzz in some guys. For a gal, a big yawn, and probably patronising too, the kind of thing that makes even old chooks like me start talking about Pariarchal misogyny and unleashing my inner Feminist.  NOT a pretty sight.

In order to torture Claire in an equivalent way, you'd have to butch her up - buzzcut her hair, bind her chest, treat her like a boy. She's had at least 15  years of that already, and didn't enjoy one second of it. At this stage, it would likely be very damaging. In 10-20 years, no more so than for any other woman, but right now, contra-indicated. As funny as a rubber crutch in a room floored with broken glass.

you're right, Claire is female in her day to day life, my mistake. Just another tranny slave then.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Border Reiver on 14 Feb 2013, 04:34
I can't really decide whether Veronica deserves lots of loving support, or needs a good shake to get her back into her senses. Because as Marten says, she could probably just find a relationship if she needed one.

Probably both, one does not exclude the other.

And "just finding a relationship"  is anthing but but easy.  It's the difference between "Mr/Ms Right"  and "Mr/Ms Right Now."
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 14 Feb 2013, 04:40
Re: Veronica

I turn 55 in a few weeks. I know the feeling.
However... it's also our 32nd wedding anniversary in a week. I love my partner even more today than I did when we married.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 14 Feb 2013, 04:49
you're right, Claire is female in her day to day life, my mistake. Just another tranny slave then.
Just a word to the wise : the word "tranny", like the word "nigger" or the word "kike", is deprecated. Parentherically, Intersex people don't like being called "hermaphrodites" either, let alone "pseudo-hermaphrodites". Those two terms are slurs in most contexts, unless dealing with specific medical conditions, both very rare. FWIW technically I'm a protandrous dichogamous pseudohermaphrodite, so for me it's accurate, though not for most,

Please don't use that word again, now that you've been informed OK?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Soulsynger on 14 Feb 2013, 05:05
Wonder if we should include that particular etiquette in the "Conduct in this Forum" or "read first" post.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 14 Feb 2013, 05:30
I think that rule should go in the Conduct in this Life section, but sadly I can't find it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Madmartigan on 14 Feb 2013, 05:38
Dang, Martenmom ages well.

56?

Looks like she's early 40s.  Yea, I guess a dominatrix would keep a very fit a trim body.

And Claire goes down for the count.  She won't be up until morning.  Tends to happen when you have you first bit of hard liqueur.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 14 Feb 2013, 06:06
She still goes by "Reed" socially (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=433).

Yeah, my mom kept my dad's surname after their divorce too. Legally as well. Is that a thing in America where people regularly switch back or something? Even if you part on good terms?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 14 Feb 2013, 06:19
She still goes by "Reed" socially (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=433).

Yeah, my mom kept my dad's surname after their divorce too. Legally as well. Is that a thing in America where people regularly switch back or something? Even if you part on good terms?

I don't know about America, but here in Norway it is quite common to change back after divorce. Doesn't always happen, though.

More to the point, I don't think we really need to apply advanced psychoanalysis to Veronica's choice of keeping Henry's name - there are many possible reasons for it. Having the same surname as her son, for instance.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ysth on 14 Feb 2013, 06:29
"I used to have a six pack"

? What does this mean?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 14 Feb 2013, 06:39
Six pack:

(http://www.officialfitnessandhealth.com/images/abmuscles2.jpg)

Applicability of that image to Marten's mum is left to the imagination.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 14 Feb 2013, 06:46
When people brandish their guts and claim "I used to have a six pack!", the appropriate responce is "Then you obviously drunk it all".  :evil:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 14 Feb 2013, 07:18
lol, I wonder if Claire is about to become Veronicas sissy slave. That could be funny.
I think not... while my knowledge (even theoretical) of BDSM is limited, I get the impression that in order to be a "sissy"of any kind, one must be male. It's the delicious thrill of being humiliated, being treated like a girl, that causes the emotional buzz in some guys. For a gal, a big yawn, and probably patronising too, the kind of thing that makes even old chooks like me start talking about Pariarchal misogyny and unleashing my inner Feminist.  NOT a pretty sight.

In order to torture Claire in an equivalent way, you'd have to butch her up - buzzcut her hair, bind her chest, treat her like a boy. She's had at least 15  years of that already, and didn't enjoy one second of it. At this stage, it would likely be very damaging. In 10-20 years, no more so than for any other woman, but right now, contra-indicated. As funny as a rubber crutch in a room floored with broken glass.

Chiming in as an active member of the BDSM community, even if I am "totally vanilla" (by the standards of BDSM any way) there are plenty of women who like being humiliated following a feminine pattern, or confined to an extremely feminine role with degradation following that same pattern. Honestly I tend to feel worse about doing that sort of thing because the most socially well adjusted of the voices in my head point out I'm in the process of being a misogynist slimeball and isn't it screwed up how people used to act like this and NOT being playing?  :psyduck:

On to Mrs. Reed, I wouldn't have called her being in her mid-50s, late 40s yes but certainly no older. I think we can all relate to the concept or fear of being alone... however passing out is a slightly more immediate concern.

A female six pack outside of competitive body building is usually less defined then that for the record, so more like this:
(http://getfityou.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Woman-With-Six-Packs-680x1024.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 14 Feb 2013, 07:26
Two things:

If Ms. Vance is 56, that means she probably got married around age 28-29 (assuming Marten is somewhere around 29-30).

If Veronica and Henry got married around 1985-86, it would mean she was roughly the same age that Marten is now. Which, I assume, would make it doubly wistful.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 14 Feb 2013, 07:40
I used to have a six-pack...I upgraded to a keg. :parrot:

...I really need to watch my caloric intake.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Soulsynger on 14 Feb 2013, 08:05
Quote from: The Love Jacques
Really interesting how everyone is responding to Claire's scotch troubles and not Marten's mom. I thought that was just a throwaway gag!

I'd say that's because up until a few strips ago Claire was the main focus of attention and we're having trouble transitioning.

For me it's the fact that "midlife crisis" or "missed the chance for love by age" drama is getting pretty old (Ha!). I read too many sliceoflife webcomics.

edit:
Proud owner of a six pack I have done nothing in particular to get. :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: themacnut on 14 Feb 2013, 08:17
When people brandish their guts and claim "I used to have a six pack!", the appropriate responce is "Then you obviously drunk it all".  :evil:

 :lol: :laugh: :lol: :-D You sir, win the thread. Though personally I'd stay out of arm's reach while making such a reply. O0

Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Feb 2013, 08:22
@Comic:
I never understood people who push themselves to drink stuff they don't like the taste of. Then again, I don't even understand how ANYONE could like the taste of alcohol at all.
To me, people drinking scotch/whiskey/rum and "enjoying" at are just very good at preventing their face from going "BLERGH!" and lying about it.  ;D
Disagree with the first part, agreed on the second. Everything's worth a try or two, even if it was so overpowering the first time that your taste buds barely had a chance.

That said, I've tried alcohol of various types on various occasions, and it's never seemed remotely palatable. Not light beer, dark beer, multiple types of wine, rum, whiskey, Margaritas that were 9/10 fruit juice, vodka, sprite and vodka that was 9/10 ice, or anything else. At best, it tastes like someone terminally screwed up a perfectly good drink by adding alcohol. At worst, it was alcohol.
Most alcohol is an acquired taste, you drink enough of it, you grow to like it (or at least not hate it). I don't know if I've got to the "like it" stage with hard liquor, but there are beers I'll drink because they taste incredibly good to me.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 14 Feb 2013, 08:39
Claire was the main focus of attention and we're having trouble transitioning.

For me it's the fact that "midlife crisis" or "missed the chance for love by age" drama is getting pretty old (Ha!)

Really going for as many puns as possible, ey?  :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sidhekin on 14 Feb 2013, 08:40
blah blah Claire blah blah transitioning.
Well, there was my double-take for the day.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Feb 2013, 08:41
I used to have a six-pack...I upgraded to a keg. :parrot:
I use the keg line too...except I never had a six-pack :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 14 Feb 2013, 08:59
I knew a girl who worked with a personal trainer (at 19, which I frankly found ridiculous since it was her parents paying for it... no 19 year old needs her own car and personal trainer without having to fund them herself, but anyway) and she used to get her abs torn in order to encourage them to be six-packy. This sounds horrific to me - is it good/bad bodybuilding practice?

On the alcohol thing, I have found very few alcoholic drinks I like. I enjoy good quality red wine including port, good dry white wine, fruit cocktails (dangerous... I think I'd like them just as much without the alcohol though) and that's basically it. Last night I did two of the most disgusting shots I've ever had, which includes the vile four-types-of-cheap-vodka concoction I once tried. Ugh.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DrBear on 14 Feb 2013, 09:45
This one is hitting a bit close to home - I just turned 56 this week.

(and there are a lot of males of that age who could make her perfectly happy if she wants to be)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Soulsynger on 14 Feb 2013, 09:49
Claire was the main focus of attention and we're having trouble transitioning.
For me it's the fact that "midlife crisis" or "missed the chance for love by age" drama is getting pretty old (Ha!)
Really going for as many puns as possible, ey?  :roll:
blah blah Claire blah blah transitioning.
Well, there was my double-take for the day.

I totally did NOT mean to make that first one. Wow, am I blond. Although I don't appreciate that particular blend of snipping posts.


Most alcohol is an acquired taste, you drink enough of it, you grow to like it (or at least not hate it). I don't know if I've got to the "like it" stage with hard liquor, but there are beers I'll drink because they taste incredibly good to me.
I guess I've never gotten to that stage with hard liquor then. I like some beers, though.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 14 Feb 2013, 10:01
Although I don't appreciate that particular blend of snipping posts.

Sorry? I was just cutting them down to the punny sentences, nothing else intended.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ysth on 14 Feb 2013, 10:02
Code: [Select]
perl -e 'print "Just another Perl ${\(trickster and hacker)},";'
Cute.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Merdrak on 14 Feb 2013, 10:05
Stencil.

Think drill sergeant.

(http://bhtooefr.org/images/qc2383stencil.png)

Drill Sergeant voices are more about giving orders to people in confused states.  A dom voice should be authoritative but not overwhelming.  This looks like a job for Times New Roman!

R. Lee Ermy would be proud of Veronica.

Except R. Lee Ermy was a Drill Instructor.. different branch.  Don't ever call a Marine Drill Instructor a Drill Sergeant - likely, they'll politely correct you, but it's still damn irksome!

And onto my comic post:

Marten is tending to the immediate concern - the passed-out drunken friend.  But once he handles that, I'm sure he's going try to take care of his mother - even if it means him being unusually assertive towards her. 

And on alcohol - quite an acquired taste.  12 year whiskey on the rocks.. Jameson 12-year, is my poison of choice.  I can drink most anything, but there's some I stay away from, because they invoke.. odd reactions.   Vodka being on. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Madmartigan on 14 Feb 2013, 10:11
I knew a girl who worked with a personal trainer (at 19, which I frankly found ridiculous since it was her parents paying for it... no 19 year old needs her own car and personal trainer without having to fund them herself, but anyway) and she used to get her abs torn in order to encourage them to be six-packy. This sounds horrific to me - is it good/bad bodybuilding practice?

On the alcohol thing, I have found very few alcoholic drinks I like. I enjoy good quality red wine including port, good dry white wine, fruit cocktails (dangerous... I think I'd like them just as much without the alcohol though) and that's basically it. Last night I did two of the most disgusting shots I've ever had, which includes the vile four-types-of-cheap-vodka concoction I once tried. Ugh.

Not really sure what you mean by that exactly.  Like, "manually torn by a surgeon?" :-o

I ask because tearing muscles is the basics behind weight lifting and muscle increasing.  You subject your muscles to greater than normal amounts of stress your muscles can generally withstand and as a result, they "tear".  And due to repetition, dieting (higher protein intake) your body fills in those tears with new muscle.

Really, the secret behind the abs is the diet, which is why most of us don't have them. :oops: Ab Diets are strict as hell.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Thrudd on 14 Feb 2013, 10:18
An Abs diet?

Can I make mine pork based?

What do you me that's not healthy or what you meant?  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 14 Feb 2013, 10:19
I'm rather partial to Glenfiddich 12 Year Old, myself.  I can also drink my body weight (which admittedly is not that much) in White Russians and Screwdrivers.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: celticgeek on 14 Feb 2013, 10:27
Ah yes.  Antique single malts.  Again.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Econoclast on 14 Feb 2013, 10:46
Panels 3-4: that awkward moment when you see a trans-woman's features, and you suddenly realize just how masculine they really are. The subtlety of Jeph's art style is truly remarkable.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sassafras on 14 Feb 2013, 11:42
Panels 3-4: that awkward moment when you see a trans-woman's features, and you suddenly realize just how masculine they really are.

Doesn't beat that awkward moment when you realize how often people will really search out any feature at all on a trans woman to claim they're visibly masculine, even when those features would be unnoticed on a cis woman.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 14 Feb 2013, 11:44
Stencil.

Think drill sergeant.

(http://bhtooefr.org/images/qc2383stencil.png)

Drill Sergeant voices are more about giving orders to people in confused states.  A dom voice should be authoritative but not overwhelming.  This looks like a job for Times New Roman!

R. Lee Ermy would be proud of Veronica.

Except R. Lee Ermy was a Drill Instructor.. different branch.  Don't ever call a Marine Drill Instructor a Drill Sergeant - likely, they'll politely correct you, but it's still damn irksome!


Depends on the DI. I know a couple former DIs who got "twitchy" about that sort of thing. Worst addition to any unit is a former DI. Moto SOBs need to be kept on the Drill Field where they belong.

On to booze! I drink whiskey and rum straight and I have actually had both scotch and irish whiskey old enough to order themselves. It's all awesome.

Rum drinkers! Release Kraken rum on yourselves post haste. Dollar for dollar the best you can buy.
Whiskey drinkers! For Irish Whiskey ANYTHING you can from Knappogue Castle, buy it, treat your taste buds and throat the way they deserve.

Panels 3-4: that awkward moment when you see a trans-woman's features, and you suddenly realize just how masculine they really are.

Doesn't beat that awkward moment when you realize how often people will really search out any feature at all on a trans woman to claim they're visibly masculine, even when those features would be unnoticed on a cis woman.

I really don't think Claire is obviously masculine...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 14 Feb 2013, 11:58
ZoeB: Happy anniversary! Congratulations!

Demon: From everything I've read, ZoeB is giving you good advice. Overall, any word you see on a porn site is probably wrong and offensive.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Soulsynger on 14 Feb 2013, 12:01
Although I don't appreciate that particular blend of snipping posts.

Sorry? I was just cutting them down to the punny sentences, nothing else intended.
Should've made that clearer: Wasn't directed at you. Nothing wrong with what you did. It concerned Sidhekin's reducing my writing to "blah blah" for the most part which I find pretty rude.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sidhekin on 14 Feb 2013, 12:53
Oh, my apologies – I meant no disrespect, just trying to highlight how those two words hit me, whatever the other words may have been.  It was intended to reflect my experience reading it, and not on you, writing it, at all.

I briefly considered "[some words] Claire [more words] transition."  Would that have been better?  Or is this one of those observations I'm supposed to keep under my hat in polite company?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Y on 14 Feb 2013, 13:30
First thing I thought: "Did she died?", but then again I think that every time I see someone pass out drunk. Then the summer of '69 passed through my head '... first real six string...'.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 14 Feb 2013, 13:39
Damn, now due to some association I have the lyrics of "Chicago" by Clueso (http://lyricstranslate.com/en/chicago-chicago.html) stuck in my head.

Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkDKackvs5M)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 14 Feb 2013, 13:49
I think by tearing she meant that her trainer sort of pulled on her abs, I honestly don't know. But the impression I got (through the filter of horror and the fuzzy effect of intervening time on my memory) was that it wasn't just through exercise but through some kind of physical intervention.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: kiss-o-kill on 14 Feb 2013, 14:51
I've been getting huuuge Hannelore vibes from Claire since she was introduced. Very Jeph Jacquesian cutie (with issues!) who Marten befriends and who has all these "cute" moments like drinking alcohol and having cute reactions to it and blah blah blah. This is why I enjoy characters like Faye/Dora/Meena/even Raven in her own way/Penelope, who contribute to the comic's humour with wit and banter and not slapsticky quirky funny face cute moments or whatever.

It all feels very recycled and tired.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 14 Feb 2013, 14:58
Well, I don't think Jeph was entirely awake yet when he drew the comic last night...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Demon on 14 Feb 2013, 15:06
you're right, Claire is female in her day to day life, my mistake. Just another tranny slave then.
Just a word to the wise : the word "tranny", like the word "nigger" or the word "kike", is deprecated. Parentherically, Intersex people don't like being called "hermaphrodites" either, let alone "pseudo-hermaphrodites". Those two terms are slurs in most contexts, unless dealing with specific medical conditions, both very rare. FWIW technically I'm a protandrous dichogamous pseudohermaphrodite, so for me it's accurate, though not for most,

Please don't use that word again, now that you've been informed OK?

sure, my bad again. I know a few and thats how the group of them refer to themselves. but, I don't wish to offend anyone
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 14 Feb 2013, 15:29
Claire has witty banter...the faces are a characteristic slapstick background typical of Jeph's comics at any given time. Or would you rather have Pintsize, the reigning king of slapstick, enter the scene? :parrot:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: de_la_Nae on 14 Feb 2013, 15:50
sure, my bad again. I know a few and thats how the group of them refer to themselves. but, I don't wish to offend anyone

Naw worries, mate. It's just kind of like uh...well like 'nigga'. There's some social dynamics where some people can use that with each other, but introduce it in the wild and it can cause a lot of problems.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 14 Feb 2013, 17:21
Is Claire biting her lower lip as she passes out?


And all I can think of with the curly red hair and blanked out eyes is Li'l Orphan Annie...

(http://www.wallyconger.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/5_LittleOrphanAnnie-1.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr_Rose on 14 Feb 2013, 17:33
Maybe she's on medication that reacts badly to alcohol? Not as if those are rare. That said, she ought'a know better if she is…
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 14 Feb 2013, 17:56
Occam's Razor, folks. She can't hold her liquor. Case closed.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 14 Feb 2013, 18:10
Over/Under on number of Awkward Zone Initiations This week?

None at all.    1 (1.3%)
One or two.    11 (14.3%)
Three to five.    12 (15.6%)
Six to eight.    6 (7.8%)
Nine or 10.    1 (1.3%)
More than 10.    5 (6.5%)
It depends on how much those involved drink...    16 (20.8%)
...and on the amount of Spathe Ham consumed.    1 (1.3%)
I dunno, but I don't want to see MartenMom drunk.    1 (1.3%)
Nor Claire.    8 (10.4%)
10 tons of snow will suddenly fall on the cast, dropping the wedding into darkness.    6 (7.8%)
Be realistic: more like 5 tons.    6 (7.8%)
There are no waffles because you eat Pancakes on Fat Tuesday, so there. :P    3 (3.9%)

Total Members Voted: 77
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Ruhtrax on 14 Feb 2013, 18:27
Claire ... KIA
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 14 Feb 2013, 18:34
I had a Kia once. 


Totalled it on a concrete lamppost base in a Wal-mart parking lot. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Redball on 14 Feb 2013, 19:20
Going backward or forward?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: de_la_Nae on 14 Feb 2013, 19:31
Sideways of course. Carl-E's pretty hardcore.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 14 Feb 2013, 19:51
^^^
This.


It was a little icy, and pouring rain.  Visibility was crap, and I turned towards what I thought was the exit.  Spun a bit and crunched against the post.  Bent the frame of the car.  More expensive to fix than the car was worth. 

Funny thing was, it still drove fine.  I took it 20 miles to get home, no problem. 


I know, not as exciting as when I totaled the Beretta by hitting a bear, but they can't all be good stories...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Econoclast on 14 Feb 2013, 20:02
Panels 3-4: that awkward moment when you see a trans-woman's features, and you suddenly realize just how masculine they really are.

Doesn't beat that awkward moment when you realize how often people will really search out any feature at all on a trans woman to claim they're visibly masculine, even when those features would be unnoticed on a cis woman.

It's unfortunate, but it's true. My brain automatically picks out the little details and focuses on them. I may notice masculine features on cisgendered women, or feminine features on guys, but my mind won't subconsciously focus on them like it does with transgendered folk. Truth is, I have to make a concerted effort to pretend there's no difference, or that I don't notice.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aegir on 14 Feb 2013, 20:20
I drove my PT Cruiser onto a highway going the wrong direction and got in a head on collision with a pickup truck, both cars were totaled.

It was almost 2 years ago and I still have regular nightmares about driving the wrong direction on a highway.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 14 Feb 2013, 21:22
Easily cured Veronica

It's called a Gym.



MEDIIIIC!!!!!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Indicible on 14 Feb 2013, 22:04
Quote
It was almost 2 years ago and I still have regular nightmares about driving the wrong direction on a highway.

Try the scene in Planes, Trains & Automobiles... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_akwHYMdbsM)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Feb 2013, 22:19
Or that level in Heavy Rain.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 14 Feb 2013, 22:34
Quote
It was almost 2 years ago and I still have regular nightmares about driving the wrong direction on a highway.
Try the scene in Planes, Trains & Automobiles...
Or that level in Heavy Rain.

Or try driving down a street in a large New Mexico city at 5 in the morning, and suddenly realizing as you're turning to follow a detour for the Interstate highway that you're NOT in the left turn lane, but are instead in the oncoming lane of traffic.

Yes, that's right - I took a wrong turn at Albuquerque. LITERALLY.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Feb 2013, 23:00
Were you driving a Pontiac Aztek?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 14 Feb 2013, 23:06
Yes, that's right - I took a wrong turn at Albuquerque. LITERALLY.
Bugs Bunny would be proud.

Fate decided, after I fell asleep at the wheel, that it would pit my wife's car, at 55mph, against a handful of trees. (I still thank God that there were no other cars on the road at 3 a.m.)

The trees won. Shattered the windshield, bent the entire vehicle frame by 12 degrees laterally, split the engine block in half, ripped the shoulder belt mount right off the car, and sent a fifth of peppermint schnapps from the trunk into the front seat. And I got out with literally a scratch.

...And an airbag-shaped bruise.

...And a concussion.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MillionDollar Belt Sander on 14 Feb 2013, 23:24
Yes, that's right - I took a wrong turn at Albuquerque. LITERALLY.
Bugs Bunny would be proud.

Fate decided, after I fell asleep at the wheel, that it would pit my wife's car, at 55mph, against a handful of trees. (I still thank God that there were no other cars on the road at 3 a.m.)

The trees won. Shattered the windshield, bent the entire vehicle frame by 12 degrees laterally, split the engine block in half, ripped the shoulder belt mount right off the car, and sent a fifth of peppermint schnapps from the trunk into the front seat. And I got out with literally a scratch.

...And an airbag-shaped bruise.

...And a concussion.

That poor car!    :cry:  Did the schnapps survive at least?    :oops:





glad you survived.   :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 14 Feb 2013, 23:35
That poor car!    :'(  Did the schnapps survive at least?    :-[

Indeed it did, actually...they make those bottles tough enough to withstand a bar fight, so I guess a car accident is nothing to them. I still have trouble understanding how it came from the trunk, which was sealed off by the back seats (it was a 2-door coupe) into the shotgun seat. But then again, I should just be thankful I survived.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Feb 2013, 23:41
I was going to ask if the cops believed you when you said the bottle was in the trunk, but if it didn't shatter and was still sealed I guess it wouldn't matter.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesariojpn on 14 Feb 2013, 23:54
Easily cured Veronica

It's called a Gym.



MEDIIIIC!!!!!

She probably makes enough money to have liposuction.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 14 Feb 2013, 23:54
With all the accidents I've been through, I've never had an airbag go off. 

Not even when I had a head-on in a Tempo with a large pickup truck at about 40 mph. 



Oh, wait - it was an '84 tempo, that was before airbags...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 14 Feb 2013, 23:57
I was going to ask if the cops believed you when you said the bottle was in the trunk, but if it didn't shatter and was still sealed I guess it wouldn't matter.
Yeah, no alcohol involved, the bottle hadn't even been opened. The car registration had actually expired 2 weeks prior, but the cop ignored that bit. They just wanted to make sure I was safely in the ambulance, and that the license plate was eventually pulled out of the tree trunk.

I joke about it now, as it's been over three years, but it was quite traumatic at the time...I actually do a lot of driving for work now, but it's a different situation, different path in life.

She probably makes enough money to have liposuction.

But I'm not sure she's the type to modify herself on a whim, especially if she's looking for more than a superficial relationship. Veronica seems deeper than the average bear.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 15 Feb 2013, 00:07
It's unfortunate, but it's true. My brain automatically picks out the little details and focuses on them. I may notice masculine features on cisgendered women, or feminine features on guys, but my mind won't subconsciously focus on them like it does with transgendered folk. Truth is, I have to make a concerted effort to pretend there's no difference, or that I don't notice.

Some practice:

Before Facial Feminisation Surgery:
(http://www.supornclinic.com/restricted/FFS/Results.aspx?fn=Case4PreOp.jpg)

After:
(http://www.supornclinic.com/restricted/FFS/Results.aspx?fn=Case4OneYear.jpg)

Transitioned "on the job" at Air France:
(http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/AndreaColliaux/AndreaColliaux3.jpg)

This gal transitioned at 17:
(http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/NongPoy/NongPoy1s.jpg)

This gal is XXY:
(http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/Tula1s.jpg)

This is a surgeon who'll be operating on a friend of mine soon:
(http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/Christine%20McGinn/ChristineMcGinn.s.jpg)

Another friend of mine:
(http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/Kate%20Craig-Wood/Kate5s.jpg)

Here's a couple of guys I find very pleasant to look at

(http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/FtM/StephenThorne1.jpg)

(http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/FtM/Paisley/Paisley%202s.jpg)

(http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/FtM/BenBarres2s.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Pilchard123 on 15 Feb 2013, 01:49
I was going to ask if the cops believed you when you said the bottle was in the trunk, but if it didn't shatter and was still sealed I guess it wouldn't matter.

My dad's boss once crashed his car - well, was cut up really badly by someone - and got out reeking of booze. He hadn't been drinking, but he had been on a beer run and the bottles all broke when he hit.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 15 Feb 2013, 02:34
You'd be surprised how easily a heavy object can punch through the back seats.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: VonKleist on 15 Feb 2013, 02:52
The third frame with Claire going down just keeps on cracking me up :laugh:
Looking forward to what this arc may bring.

Excellent!!°
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 15 Feb 2013, 03:05
I see that Claire has recovered, though.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Near Lurker on 15 Feb 2013, 03:06
...fair enough.  After all, cocaine is better for you than any psychiatric drug or dairy product.

Only wish we'd seen Claire's reaction.  I remember my own highball phase...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 15 Feb 2013, 03:08
Marten - the love child of a line of cocaine...  I can see him being unhappy about that.

On-line dating - cocaine for the 2010s?  Well perhaps not, but I've seen wildly varying results from it, I have to say.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 15 Feb 2013, 03:11
Organized on-line dating is cocaine for the masses.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 15 Feb 2013, 03:44
I see that Claire has recovered, though.

Which is pretty impressive, as she looked practically comatose in the previous strip...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 15 Feb 2013, 04:01
It was the 70's alright. Coke wasn't seen as much worse than Grass. Probably because it was nowhere near as pure then, and crack was unknown.

Grass was pretty much universal. Only a few like me didn't at least try it (I have an allergy to Cannabis Sativa). I've never seen any drug other than grass and some blotting paper with LSD-25. Since 82 I've held some interesting security clearances, so don't do drugs anyway. Not that they test for it, more of a case that with PV you just don't do that stuff, you have to be too ridiculously straight-arrow or you don't get clearance in the first place.

Veronica would be an interesting person to meet. We're of the same vintage - though she's a Dom, I'm a Rocket Scientist. Not quite in the same league as Hanners' dad though.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Pilchard123 on 15 Feb 2013, 04:28
Organized on-line dating is cocaine for the masses.

Should that not be "opium of the masses/people"?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Blackjoker on 15 Feb 2013, 04:29
I am most amused, both because of Martens bug eye look near the end and the increasing awkwardness of it all. Though it might be funny, it would probably burn too many bridges if Marten treated his mom the way she treated him after he and Dora broke up.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Nepiophage on 15 Feb 2013, 04:31
I have a six-pack but it is in a big shopping bag with all my other groceries.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 15 Feb 2013, 04:44
Also, that means four awkward-zone initiations this week.

In the same scene.

By the same character.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 15 Feb 2013, 04:48
It was the 70's alright. Coke wasn't seen as much worse than Grass. Probably because it was nowhere near as pure then, and crack was unknown.

Grass was pretty much universal. Only a few like me didn't at least try it (I have an allergy to Cannabis Sativa). I've never seen any drug other than grass and some blotting paper with LSD-25. Since 82 I've held some interesting security clearances, so don't do drugs anyway. Not that they test for it, more of a case that with PV you just don't do that stuff, you have to be too ridiculously straight-arrow or you don't get clearance in the first place.

Veronica would be an interesting person to meet. We're of the same vintage - though she's a Dom, I'm a Rocket Scientist. Not quite in the same league as Hanners' dad though.

Same here.  I lost a good bit of the late 70's / early 80's to a cannabis haze.  Never did coke, but thoroughly enjoyed an acid trip or two during my Grateful Deadhead phase.  Managed to score and deal a fair bit of opium one semester, too - it paid for tuition.  I ddn't use that shit, though - it was addictive! 

Dropped it all in favor of finishing grad school.  That, and my future wife pointed out exactly how much I was forgetting on a daily basis by using the stuff...

"We didn't know any better" = "We didn't really care!"
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: WAYF on 15 Feb 2013, 04:49
That mental image...
it's horrifying. :shock:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 15 Feb 2013, 04:54
Sorry, which mental image?  The one in the comic?  Nepiophage's six pack? 


Or me as a Dead head? 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 15 Feb 2013, 05:02
Organized on-line dating is cocaine for the masses.

Should that not be "opium of the masses/people"?


My bad, I reverse translated it over three languages. The cocaine instead of opium is intentional, though.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Pilchard123 on 15 Feb 2013, 05:29
Doesn't matter, I just wondered if you'd meant to quote (Is that the right word?) that or if it was coincidence. Why three languages?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 15 Feb 2013, 05:55
That mental image...
it's horrifying. :shock:

It's romantic. :mrgreen: :psyduck: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 15 Feb 2013, 05:57
I have had the opportunity to try cannabis a few times but always decided I wasn't sufficiently interested in knowing what it's like to bother. I guess I'm just not particularly curious about the effect of chemicals on my body because it took me a long time to try alcohol and I'd still rather have fruit juice or hot chocolate.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Doctor on 15 Feb 2013, 06:12
Hhahahhaha Oh man that mental image is one of the best I've had lately. Hilarious stuff.

I've had marijuana/cannabis a couple of times. I enjoyed it... Don't think I would buy any though. My addiction to cds/dvds is waaaaaaaay stronger.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sidhekin on 15 Feb 2013, 07:42
Enjoy this fascinating anecdote, my boring life ...

Though I've been a pedestrian for most of my life, habitually walking through dark city streets, shortcutting through even darker parks on occasion, for the better part of more than two decades, I've never even been approached with an offer of illegal substances.

For a year I lived downtown, walking through the whores' streets every evening.  Not even one of them mistook me for a mark.

I am just far too "ridiculously straight-arrow".  8-)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: drewdane on 15 Feb 2013, 08:05
1)  I'm finding Claire's reactions to the scotch far more interesting and entertaining than Marten and Veronica's dialogue.

B - In the United States, no matter where you are, no matter where you live, no matter where you're from, "The City" refers to San Francisco - I thought EVERYONE knew that! 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Cheesasaurus on 15 Feb 2013, 09:40
I like to think that Claire's given up on the alcohol and gone with something safer. Like a milkshake.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Merdrak on 15 Feb 2013, 09:42
To GarandMarine: True on all counts for the DI bit, and as for Rum, I do enjoy the Krakken.

Drugs - never used or will.  Not worth losing my career (I guess I can call it that after re-upping) + never had the urge.. hell, it took me being stationed in Okinawa to smoke or drink. 

As far as the comic goes though, I think Marten just had his mind BLOWN, literally and figuratively.  And Claire seems to be coming out of the haze as well, though she's probably still hammered.. or else probably has that "I don't wanna drink again" mindset at the moment.  She does seem totally absorbed in that drink to really notice what's going on. XD
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Feb 2013, 10:08
I think it was more the taste than the alcohol, so she's probably not drunk.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 15 Feb 2013, 10:28
She's just washing her mouth out with a diet pepsi...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 15 Feb 2013, 11:09
After all, cocaine is better for you than any psychiatric drug or dairy product.
You're going to need some seriously compelling data for me to believe a gram of that.

Aside from when I was an uninformed kid given medication, I personally have never and intend to never take any intentionally mind altering substances (as opposed to say, sugar). It has enough stuff to deal with without the rough, nonindividualized state of current chemistry messing with it.

This image seemed useful.
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Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Akima on 15 Feb 2013, 14:37
Managed to score and deal a fair bit of opium one semester, too - it paid for tuition.
Well, it was good enough for the British government... :wink:  Using "intoxicants" is a breach of the Five Precepts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Precepts), being regarded as damaging to Right Mindfulness, and my parents would have seriously disapproved too, so at school and uni I was far too tightly-wrapped even to experiment. I've eased up to the point of occasionally drinking alcohol, but I'm still pretty boring.

The main thing I remember from Lady And The Tramp is the racism (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpPGE_SKtA4) (thank you Walt for helping to make Junior School so much fun), but that must have been a seriously long line of coke.


Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: St.Clair on 15 Feb 2013, 17:48
"It was the 70s!  We didn't know any better!"

That covers so much.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MillionDollar Belt Sander on 15 Feb 2013, 22:16
WHY IS JEPH NOT DRAWING A CO-  oh yeah.  Weekend. 

To bed!  Where I shall sleep!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesariojpn on 16 Feb 2013, 00:28
Veronica has never heard of Fetlife? Collarme? Alt.com........okay, maybe the last two are bad choices, and Fetlife isn't quite a dating site per say......
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: de_la_Nae on 16 Feb 2013, 01:25
I find Fet to be a neat little social networking site for a sometimes-strange but generally-nifty bunch of people in my area. We've got something of a quietly-sociable scene.

Legally-regulated drugs in the U.S.: I take alcohol sometimes, the occasional nicotine cigarette, especially when drinking the former. Haven't really had marijuana in something like eight months I think, though considering it I might see about getting a bit within the month. In my experience over the last couple years it is pretty fun, though I make sure I have a day where I don't have much going on to really sit back and savor a bowl, *or* an evening to pass around a little bit with friends.

Vehicle accidents: Bad one once. Without boring you with all the details, had a long commute and a long shift and a long waking-life I kept trying to stubbornly pack stuff into and it finally caught up for real with me falling asleep. So fucking close to home, of course. Thankfully no one else out there, it was like 3am on a rural road, but I did play a round of Car v. Utility Pole. Uh...the pole won. I was lucky and blessed and didn't eat anything more than micro-scratches from glass.

Much more damaging was when a tree fell on me and my car, but that was still just some nasty bruising. Remind me to tell that one another time.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 16 Feb 2013, 01:25
She may already know all the people in her local scene.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Econoclast on 16 Feb 2013, 01:28
Some practice:

Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I still noticed the original gender features. Less so on the female to male, but I still noticed.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: CrowFairy on 16 Feb 2013, 01:55
Some practice:
First off, I'd like to say thank you for making me aware that there is a surgery for feminization! I'd never heard of that before, so I had always figured that trans people just relied on and emphasized the facial features that reflected their true gender. I honestly would not have recognized the first woman as the same person in both pictures if I had seen them separately and not been told they were the same person.

My only question from this is regarding the Air France woman--her jawline is still very masculine. Are there any techniques currently for helping to de-emphasize things like that? The rest of her features are feminine enough that I wouldn't wonder anything at all. But the jawline sticks out very much to me.

I hope my question and comments don't sound offensive. D: My sleepy meds are kicking in, and I'm sleep-deprived, but I wanted to post this while all of it was still on my mind.


As a side note, most of the trans people I've talked to are trans men in the very early transition phases (as in minimal hormones thus far and still having to do chest-binding). So I'm still kind of clueless, outside of continually keeping up with the trans Q & A/I thread.


Edit: Missed a question mark XD
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 16 Feb 2013, 03:48
Are there any techniques currently for helping to de-emphasize things like that.
Yes, it's a very common procedure. The most difficult one is brow bossing reduction - that involves complex work on the brow sinuses. After that, jaw re-shaping is common. Then cheek implants and rhinoplasty - the latter essential anyway if brow work is done. Upper and lower blaphroplasty (eyelids) and other soft tissue work, moving hairline down.

http://www.supornclinic.com/
Quote
For patients seeking Facial Feminizing Surgery ( FFS ), Dr Suporn performs the following procedures, all of which are further described in detail:

    Scalp Advance - or Scalp Reduction

    Forehead Reconstruction - Dr Suporn introduced in 2003 a proprietary technique for effectively reducing brow bossing in medium-severity cases

    Brow Lift

    Combined hair transplant procedure with above operations

    Upper and Lower Blepharoplasty

    Reconstructive and Aesthetic Rhinoplasty and Alarplasty

    Upper Lip Lift and Lip Enhancement

    Jaw or Mandible recontour

    Chin Reduction and Reprofile ( genioplasty )

    Thyroid Cartilage Reduction ( Adams Apple )

    Face Lift procedures ( SMAS or deep-plane rhytidectomy )

    Otoplasty
...
Lower Face

    Mandible_(jaw)_Shave - re contours the jaw to give a less square (male), more pear-shaped (female) appearance

    Chin Re profile - reshapes the chin as required to give a more feminine shape


Here's an example where Dr Suporn recommended no surgery - the areas he could feminise were all there already (some overly so), the ones that really needed work aesthetically he could do little to help with.

(http://cs.anu.edu.au/~Zoe.Brain/s12edited.1.jpg)

The chin is overly feminised, needs reduction and moving forward, not backwards, to slightly masculinise it. It's far too pear-shaped. Cheekbones perfect. Jaw behind the chin classically female. Lips close to nostrils, classically female.  Nose.... OMG!!! Amongst other things, broken and set crookedly in at least 3 places, and male pattern. Needs a complete reconstruction. Brow could do with a little work, but as that area had been damaged by assault with a crowbar, left sinus had been obliterated, and surgery posed unacceptable risks.

Compare bone structure with another Zoe
(http://www.celebritybabyscoop.com/files/2012/05/zoe-saldana-a-child-makes-perfect-sense-to-me-1-500x693.jpg)

The point is... many women have slight facial maculinisations. Even though I've had no facial surgery, I don't look very different from many other women my age. The object is not (necessarily) to become beautiful - it's so some gang of thugs doesn't kill you.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 16 Feb 2013, 04:15
I should add - by the time I got to high school, I didn't suffer any more facial injuries. Gays tend to be attacked after puberty, Trans and Intersex kids before then. Most of the really bad damage is only visible on CAT scans of my skull anyway.

The degree of FFS needed really depends on the degree of insecurity the patient feels - often with good reason. While I could use some improvement there, it's not a necessity. $30,000 to save my life is one thing, but just to cater to my vanity - and face (pardon the pun) the inevitable risks of facial paralysis and permanent numbness - cost exceeds benefit. My face may not be my fortune, but it's mine. For some, FFS is essential. For me, cosmetic.

If I was 24, not 54, maybe I'd feel differently. But if I'd transitioned earlier, I wouldn't need anything at all. As it is, the incomplete male puberty was an advantage in the long run.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 16 Feb 2013, 04:15
Double-checking my understanding:

You're fine with discussing this as a general and educational thing, but we shouldn't stare at the trans people we meet looking for details of facial structure?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sassafras on 16 Feb 2013, 05:55
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I still noticed the original gender features. Less so on the female to male, but I still noticed.

If Zoe hadn't told you those photos were of trans or intersex people, you would not have noticed. That was the point. You already said (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,28687.msg1131974.html#msg1131974) that you only focus on those features because you know the person is trans, so pointing those features out as if it means something is pretty much just insulting trans people for the sake of it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 16 Feb 2013, 07:42
You're fine with discussing this as a general and educational thing, but we shouldn't stare at the trans people we meet looking for details of facial structure?
Pretty much, yes. Staring at people of Nigerian ancestry, looking for differences between Ibo and other racial groups is also impolite.... look, just treat people as people. As equals.

I picked those photos carefully. I know better examples, but these ones I could be certain were authorised by the people concerned to be used for educational purposes. In some cases, I know the people personally.

I know a couple on the web that are even better, but some of those in them are in deep, deep stealth. I treat such data with the same care I do other sensitive information I've been exposed to in my career.

Here's an example of one of the more extreme TERFs (Trans Exterminationist Radical Feminists), published without comment.

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/zBhCb18dzFY/0.jpg)

Even though this woman genuinely wants to see me put in a death camp - I refuse to analyse her features and speculate on timing of hormonal influences in the womb. It would be unethical. If I can show such forbearance, I don't think it's too much to ask of others.

(http://www.blogher.com/files/imagecache/user_profile_186/pictures/picture-64895.png)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 16 Feb 2013, 07:46
The main thing I remember from Lady And The Tramp is the racism (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpPGE_SKtA4)
Me too... it's vile, seriously crude and really nasty. It adds little to the plot too. It blights the film for me, always did.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 16 Feb 2013, 08:07
Here's an example of one of the more extreme TERFs (Trans Exterminationist Radical Feminists), published without comment.

[image]

Even though this woman genuinely wants to see me put in a death camp - I refuse to analyse her features and speculate on timing of hormonal influences in the womb. It would be unethical. If I can show such forbearance, I don't think it's too much to ask of others.

Thank you for posting that.  I wanted to make the point that, whether because the person is transgendered, or just had different hormonal levels growing up, or even just unfortunate genes, unless you get to know them (and even then), it's all just speculation on the part of the viewer.  I know too many cis women who have very masculine looking facial and body features inherited from their fathers (or even their mothers) to assume that a person whose features seem "a bit off" is trans*.  There are certain social situations in which it can be a fair assumption, but even then, I would never presume to know
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Douglas Michael Massing on 16 Feb 2013, 09:51
Late to the party here. At the risk of repeating an observation I missed, just want to give Jeph a shout out for his having Marten point at Veronica's speech-balloon-space when he tells her she's got her dom voice on. The gesture is both artfully ambiguous and unmistakable once you see it that way. That it's also asynchronous is fun, too, as is Veronica's "Oop!" [sic] as she's presumably ratcheting down.

Carry on, good people!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Pilchard123 on 16 Feb 2013, 10:06
Hee! So he is!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 16 Feb 2013, 13:00
Claire may have switched to Rum and Coke.   :-D


I wonder if Speed Dating would be a good idea for Veronica    :evil:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 16 Feb 2013, 13:42
Welcome, new person! That was a really good point.

Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: riccostar on 16 Feb 2013, 19:00
Man, the last time I met someone at the end of a line of cocaine the only thing I fell into was the stool next to me...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 17 Feb 2013, 03:28
I wonder if Speed Dating would be a good idea for Veronica    :evil:

((((_))))
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Doctor on 17 Feb 2013, 07:20
Here's an example of one of the more extreme TERFs (Trans Exterminationist Radical Feminists), published without comment.
Even though this woman genuinely wants to see me put in a death camp - I refuse to analyse her features and speculate on timing of hormonal influences in the womb. It would be unethical. If I can show such forbearance, I don't think it's too much to ask of others.

Hi! Just a question: My english ain't perfect so I didn't understand what "Trans Exterminationist Radical Feminist" really means.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DSL on 17 Feb 2013, 07:26
Man, the last time I met someone at the end of a line of cocaine the only thing I fell into was the stool next to me...

You're talking about furniture, right?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Econoclast on 17 Feb 2013, 11:39
If Zoe hadn't told you those photos were of trans or intersex people, you would not have noticed. That was the point. You already said (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,28687.msg1131974.html#msg1131974) that you only focus on those features because you know the person is trans, so pointing those features out as if it means something is pretty much just insulting trans people for the sake of it.

Er... Honestly? I don't mean to come off as insulting to anyone, but yeah, I would have. Some are pretty convincing, but there's something inherently off about each photo that got me thinking. But then, I'm also the guy who spotted the one cisgendered woman out of an entire lineup of transgendered models without knowing beforehand which was which. I know it's politically correct to pretend that there is no difference, but truth be told, there is. I think it's awful that such differences are met with violence and my heart goes out to all the victims of persecution because of it, but I also think it's awful that we live in a society where we have to pretend there is no difference or get labeled as a bigot, or ignorant, or met with all manner of hostility. Yeah, I know. First world problems. I'm not going to get beat up for my views like a trans-person is going to get beat up for who they are. But still. Nobody should be met with hostility over this -- on either side.

Like Zoe said, people are people. Rather than tiptoeing around the differences, I think we should all be secure enough in ourselves to celebrate them as something that makes us unique.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TimO on 17 Feb 2013, 12:21
... I'm a Rocket Scientist. Not quite in the same league as Hanners' dad though.

An actual launch vehicle rocket scientist, or something more vaguely in that area?

We occasionally refer to ourselves as rocket scientists at work, but we don't build launch vehicles, which no one really does in the UK currently.  We do build space qualified instruments however, so it's probably as near as we get hereabouts (and my boss got written up in the Sunday Times as a rocket scientist, a few years ago).

I don't think anyone in this reality is quite in the same league as Hannelore's father. :)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kixie on 17 Feb 2013, 13:20
waffles!  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Pilchard123 on 17 Feb 2013, 13:25
We occasionally refer to ourselves as rocket scientists at work, but we don't build launch vehicles, which no one really does in the UK currently.  We do build space qualified instruments however, so it's probably as near as we get hereabouts (and my boss got written up in the Sunday Times as a rocket scientist, a few years ago).

There's a company near where I went to college that builds space-going stuff out of beryllium. It's on a pokey little industrial estate but it's apparently one of the best manufacturers in Europe or something.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 17 Feb 2013, 14:04
Hi! Just a question: My english ain't perfect so I didn't understand what "Trans Exterminationist Radical Feminist" really means.

I don't know if the term was just invented for that post, but I take it to mean: "Radical feminist who believes in exterminating trans* people".  The point that some feminists are as intolerant towards trans* people as they feel the world is towards them has been remarked on before in the recent discussions in this forum.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TimO on 17 Feb 2013, 16:19
There's a company near where I went to college that builds space-going stuff out of beryllium. It's on a pokey little industrial estate but it's apparently one of the best manufacturers in Europe or something.

If we had our own building, instead of being part of a much larger institute, it would be pretty pokey!  Currently the entire lab, is twelve people (working on five active spacecraft missions, and a handful of other projects not directly related to specific spacecraft) which is the largest we've ever been.  We have one laboratory with a clean room, four small offices, and a storeroom for components and servers.  Not exactly glamorous. :)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: WAYF on 17 Feb 2013, 16:29
I wonder if Speed Dating would be a good idea for Veronica    :evil:
I think you win the thread. You get this as your prize:

(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk86/wayf_photos/HorriblepunfoulONE_zps9f216b88.gif)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 17 Feb 2013, 17:49
An actual launch vehicle rocket scientist, or something more vaguely in that area?
Haven't done work on miitary missiles for some time - last work was on FedSat and MESSENGER, both  civilian payloads. Though technically some attitude control systems use thrusters... Before that, trajectory modelling for actual rockets, yes. All Endo-atmospheric though.

I headed the on-board computer/spaceflight avionics development team on this one:

(http://www.acorn.net.au/telecoms/satcom/fed02.jpg)
(http://centaur.sstl.co.uk/SSHP/pix/FedSat-1.jpg)

One of three microsats boosted with ADEOS on the Japanese H-IIa flight 4

(http://harveycohen.net/fedsat/pix/FedsatMicrolabsatWEOS-pre-launch.jpg)
(http://www.itr.unisa.edu.au/images/FedSatlaunch.jpg)

Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 17 Feb 2013, 17:55
Hi! Just a question: My english ain't perfect so I didn't understand what "Trans Exterminationist Radical Feminist" really means.

I don't know if the term was just invented for that post, but I take it to mean: "Radical feminist who believes in exterminating trans* people".
No, it wasn't invented for this post, and yes, that's what it means. They want trans people dead. Literally. A "Final Solution". "Morally mandated out of existence".
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 17 Feb 2013, 18:02
There's a company near where I went to college that builds space-going stuff out of beryllium.

ERK! Be careful with that stuff, the dust is seriously nasty. A fire involving it is particularly serious.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 17 Feb 2013, 18:39
...I also think it's awful that we live in a society where we have to pretend there is no difference or get labeled as a bigot, or ignorant, or met with all manner of hostility.

I took it as more a matter of being urged to ignore the differences for social purposes unless invited.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MillionDollar Belt Sander on 17 Feb 2013, 18:43
I don't even care about the wedding anymore.  What kind of wacky adventures are Faye and Angus having in the city?  How are Dora and Penny holding up at Coffee of Doom?  What hallucinatory monsters have struck Hannelore?  Is Marigold still kicking Dale's ass at Warcraft?  Will Pintsize fall in love with his reflection in a mirror?
Last time Marten left, they had to fight off the Pintsize Apocalypse. This time, maybe Godzilla? Something organic, anyway.

I find referring to New York as THE city rather interesting, especially since it's done in-comic by people who are what, 150 miles from it? I live a couple counties away from LA, but no one calls it anything but LA or Los Angeles. I mean, sure it's big, but it's not like every other community in New England is a hamlet.

Unless I'm massively wrong and they and you are talking about Springfield or something.

Boston.    Boston was THE CITY when I lived in Mass Of Chew Shits.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 17 Feb 2013, 20:05
I wonder if Speed Dating would be a good idea for Veronica    :evil:

((((_))))

Is that a Rolex?     :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 17 Feb 2013, 20:06
I wonder if Speed Dating would be a good idea for Veronica    :evil:
I think you win the thread. You get this as your prize:

(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk86/wayf_photos/HorriblepunfoulONE_zps9f216b88.gif)

Thank you, thank you very much.  I'm here till Friday.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TimO on 18 Feb 2013, 01:43
Haven't done work on miitary missiles for some time - last work was on ... and MESSENGER ...
We've got hardware on Bepi Colombo, so different spacecraft, but the same target (once Bepi is launched).

One of three microsats boosted ...
We've built the magnetometers (which is our speciality) on the CINEMA spacecraft, a 3U CubeSat, the first of which was launched last year as part of the secondary payload package on NROL-36.  There are two more CINEMAs to be launched shortly, from Korea, and then the final one will be launched from the US, as was the first.  Berkeley's SSL has been leading this, they built the first spacecraft and it's particle sensor, STEIN.

Anyway, back to QC.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 18 Feb 2013, 02:09
Is that a Rolex?     :-D

If only. It's a pun jar being shaken. :D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sidhekin on 18 Feb 2013, 02:13
I wonder if Speed Dating would be a good idea for Veronica    :evil:
I think you win the thread. You get this as your prize:

(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk86/wayf_photos/HorriblepunfoulONE_zps9f216b88.gif)
This thread is like bowling, then, where you can win on a strike?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Pilchard123 on 18 Feb 2013, 11:27
ERK! Be careful with that stuff, the dust is seriously nasty. A fire involving it is particularly serious.

A group of us were actually invited to go and look around and were told of the dangers of the dust. Of course, after that everyone was sure that they had inhaled it whenever they so much as had to clear their throat.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: celticgeek on 18 Feb 2013, 14:12
For something I was designing (many, many moons ago), beryllium would have been the perfect material.  However, there was no chance at all that we were going to use it. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 18 Feb 2013, 15:36
Dilithium crystals have a better usable mass-energy ratio. Just be sure to re-energize the flux capacitor. :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MillionDollar Belt Sander on 18 Feb 2013, 15:53
ERK! Be careful with that stuff, the dust is seriously nasty. A fire involving it is particularly serious.

A group of us were actually invited to go and look around and were told of the dangers of the dust. Of course, after that everyone was sure that they had inhaled it whenever they so much as had to clear their throat.

No worse than magnesium in regards to fire,  just have plenty of sand and a Type D handy rated for Beryllium.      It is toxic,  but it's no more dangerous than any other heavy metal if you use the proper precautions.

Now Copper-Beryllium,  that's some nasty shit.    Awesome heat-transfer properties, but it's so goddamn toxic no one wants to machine it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 18 Feb 2013, 16:07
Is copper-beryllium a hard or soft compound? Because I could see encasing it in a flame-retardant lacquer as a precautionary measure after manufacture.
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Post by: Is it cold in here? on 18 Feb 2013, 17:37
Beryllium's not a heavy metal /nitpick.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MillionDollar Belt Sander on 18 Feb 2013, 17:41
Beryllium's not a heavy metal /nitpick.

Indeed.    However the precautions for avoiding exposure are similar to that of heavy metal exposure...   I wasn't clear.  ;)
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Post by: Kugai on 18 Feb 2013, 18:56
Well. the NES Protector did OK with it.
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Post by: Sassafras on 19 Feb 2013, 05:24
Rather than tiptoeing around the differences, I think we should all be secure enough in ourselves to celebrate them as something that makes us unique.

Yeah, well, not all of us have the luxury of celebrating our "differences", especially when we have to put up with people shoving them in our faces as examples of how we're inherently "off", and then whining about how PC and hostile everyone is to you dissecting their features for clues.
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Post by: Is it cold in here? on 19 Feb 2013, 08:53
I do see both sides of this exchange ...

It strikes me as too much to ask of trans people to distinguish between normal curiosity and hostile scrutiny in a world where they can't even be "secure" against being tortured, raped, and murdered.
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Post by: Carl-E on 19 Feb 2013, 08:55
...dissecting their features for imaginary clues.


Sorry, had to add that.  Because the whole facial features thing is, basically, bullshit.  While there are some genetic tendencies towards differences in facial features between the genders, I've seen more than enough faces in my day to know that female faces with male features and vice versa occur regularly, and are well within the realms of normal variation.  I have what have been described as very feminine lips and eyes, and of the five males in my family, only one has a discernible adams apple.  I knew a woman in college who could've passed for a young Abe Lincoln, and one of my wife's best friends looks like she'd be at home in a garden with a conical red hat. 


If you think you can tell, you're wrong.  You may be a lucky guesser, or perhaps you haven't been exposed to a lot of genetic variation in your corner of the world, but you're just... wrong. 


And deceiving yourself. 
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Post by: Valdís on 19 Feb 2013, 10:13
Sorry, had to add that.  Because the whole facial features thing is, basically, bullshit.  While there are some genetic tendencies towards differences in facial features between the genders, I've seen more than enough faces in my day to know that female faces with male features and vice versa occur regularly, and are well within the realms of normal variation.  I have what have been described as very feminine lips and eyes, and of the five males in my family, only one has a discernible adams apple.  I knew a woman in college who could've passed for a young Abe Lincoln, and one of my wife's best friends looks like she'd be at home in a garden with a conical red hat. 

If you think you can tell, you're wrong.

Pretty much. I know I have slightly more of a brow-ridge and shoulder-width than I would have if transitioning earlier (and get very self-conscious about it), but I've had several other girls I know in my classes who have more of either. Although it's the fact that a lot of the stuff comes from involuntary testosterone exposure, and wouldn't have happened naturally without it, that many don't consider FFS on par with "plastic surgery". Just undoing that damage a bit. Meanwhile I've been straight-up asked by girls, before transition, if I was wearing mascara and other makeup when I wasn't etc.

Quite similar to voices. Male puberty breaks it some, but the actual difference is on average only half an octave and the variance within the sexes are greater than between them (so any given deepness will generally exist on both sides, just to greater/lesser extents). That is a cause for a lot of trouble when trying to deal with your voice, since just going higher doesn't do it, but many fall into that trap; forgetting the importance of cadence and tone along with habits.

I'll toss in Nick Pitera just for being neat here, even if he's obviously not really transitioning his voice. Just been on a Les Mis kick for a year now (Hey, something had to take over after playing the hell out of Wicked). :lol:

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Post by: Method of Madness on 19 Feb 2013, 20:11
The voices alone are crazy impressive (except for his Javert, it was good, but he's no Russell Crowe*), but I like how he went above and beyond and filmed himself 9 times for the full 13 minutes of the video, with him patiently waiting for himself to be done singing so the other 8 of him could take their turn (sometimes at the same time, haha).
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