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Comic Discussion => QUESTIONABLE CONTENT => Topic started by: westrim on 07 Jul 2013, 07:49
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Thread up. Couldn't think of good material from the last couple comics, so taking inspiration from the end of the last thread instead.
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Sour Dough nation.
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Sourdough and Other - other being a Croissant.
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Croissants are yummy. When I was in Quebec the hotel we stayed at offered croissants for breakfast every morning. I should have stolen their recipe.
Round these parts, Sonic has sausage-egg "croissants" on their breakfast menu, but they're actually just stale hamburger buns.
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What does Paderborner (http://www.arrse.co.uk/cookery/194781-paderborner-landbrot.html) count as?
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Had to say other, because you didn't have banana bread up there! Oh also yummy sourdough.
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Ah, cornbread. Especially my wife's recipe.
And then there are hushpuppies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hushpuppy). I'm getting hungry just thinking about them.
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Hushpuppies are very tasty :)
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Hmmm
So many choices. Went with White and Ciabatta, but Croissants and Kaiser Rolls are good too.
Cheese Vienna's and Tiger Loaves/Rolls are also a fave.
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Out of curiosity, what is the entry 'wheat bread' meant to refer to, as distinct from 'white bread' or 'whole wheat bread'?
I was one of the hordes who marked 'sourdough' FWIW.
Edit: Also, someone voted for hardtack? Really?
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Hardtack is yummy if you douse it in peanut butter, jelly, nutella, caramel sauce, chocolate sauce, and a few scoops of ice cream.
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Most things are yummy if that is done to them. :psyduck:
also, bread pudding. That is all.
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Out of curiosity, what is the entry 'wheat bread' meant to refer to, as distinct from 'white bread' or 'whole wheat bread'?
I was one of the hordes who marked 'sourdough' FWIW.
Edit: Also, someone voted for hardtack? Really?
It's a shorthand of whole wheat bread.
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Gluten free
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Voted for rye and cornbread. Love me some rye.
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But you just can't go wrong with the rye,
or the Kaiser
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It's a shorthand of whole wheat bread.
Yes, that's what I thought, which is why I was confused that it had a separate entry from 'whole wheat' in the poll.
Trivia: it's usually (but not always) called 'wholemeal bread' in Oz.
And to be accurate, my favourite bread is actually wholemeal sourdough.
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So wait, there are three entries for the same bread? Wheat, whole wheat, and hardtack...but no entry for multigrain?
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So wait, there are three entries for the same bread? Wheat, whole wheat, and hardtack...
One of these things is not like the others... which one is different, do you know?
Agree with you on the multigrain thing, though.
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Based on which ones have few votes, I feel like I might be the only Brit thus far to vote.
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Gluten free
Same here. Limited options sadly.
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I don't know what gluten is, but apparently it's delicious.
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It's wheat protein, and it makes my insides attack themselves. So I tend to avoid it.
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Fair enough if you're intolerant, jeanmarone. But damn that gluten-free stuff is expensive.
Voted for crumpet (particularly with jam or honey), and whole wheat. But now I want to change to multigrain...
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Fair enough if you're intolerant, jeanmarone. But damn that gluten-free stuff is disgusting
Fixed that for ya.
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In the UK, at least, there have been huge stride in the availability and acceptability of gluten-free foods over the past decade or so. It can now be practical (with careful planning), to entertain a group including gluten-intolerant people without having to cater separately. Bread is probably the item that is furthest from matching, but even that has hugely improved recently.
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Just like lactose free ice cream or anything sugar free - passable, but the second it hits your tongue you know there’s something very... off about it.
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mtmerrick: I've never tried it, so can't really say.
Still, I don't care about the health benefits of food. Whether it's fruity or fatty, so long as it's delicious.
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^I like this guy
Seriously, if i didn't want to enjoy my food I'd be chugging Soylent.
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Well, you see it in so-called "news" all the time. <some food you was taught was healthy> is unhealthy. <some other food> causes cancer. And so on.
Nuts to that, let me choose how to poison myself.
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Comic is up, now.
I still stand by my stance on food. But I may be persuaded by electro-shock to improve my eating habits, as well. Maybe.
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Poor Momo.
I hope the warranty on her chassis covers catastrophic processor failure from overheating, to keep up with the social protocol database demands.
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She's gonna go all Skynet on their butts.
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Irish brown soda bread
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Is beef jerky something very specific to the US? I looked up what it is on Wikipedia, but have never seen it in real life. At least with QC as the sole reference, it seems to be an important part of American food culture. I'd like to know what I'm missing there. What do the other Europeans say? Have you ever eaten it/ seen it in a shop in Europe?
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In the UK, at least, there have been huge stride in the availability and acceptability of gluten-free foods over the past decade or so. It can now be practical (with careful planning), to entertain a group including gluten-intolerant people without having to cater separately. Bread is probably the item that is furthest from matching, but even that has hugely improved recently.
Australia also has a great range now. I even have proper choices when I go to a restaurant!
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Is beef jerky something very specific to the US? I looked up what it is on Wikipedia, but have never seen it in real life. At least with QC as the sole reference, it seems to be an important part of American food culture. I'd like to know what I'm missing there. What do the other Europeans say? Have you ever eaten it/ seen it in a shop in Europe?
It started to become available in Germany a few years ago. Tastes great, but is so unbelievably expensive here. About 3,80€ for 75g.
Does this mean that in a way Momo is shipping Dale and Marigold?
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Beef jerkey made a brief apperence here in Denmark, both in 7-eleven and in some supermarkets. AFAIR it was a couple of years ago. I have not seen it for some time now. It was ridiculously expensive, which is no doubt why it didn't sell.
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Don't know about the rest of you, but I can see the electricity between Dale and Marigold.
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Ha-ha...
I just love Momo, though.
Of course, this opens the possibility of us seeing Dale and Marigold being forced to interact at more length in the diner.
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Here in the US jerky has centuries of history, the cheap supply of beef helps keep prices down too. The modern product is obviously far removed from the traditional preparation methods of Native Americans.
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Here in the US jerky has centuries of history, the cheap supply of beef helps keep prices down too. The modern product is obviously far removed from the traditional preparation methods of Native Americans.
This is why you make it yourself. Also the best method to make it IMO is using paper air conditioner filters and a box fan (http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/beef-jerky-recipe/index.html). God bless Alton Brown.
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It started to become available in Germany a few years ago. Tastes great, but is so unbelievably expensive here. About 3,80€ for 75g.
Commercial beef jerky isn't cheap here, either, although cheaper than in Germany, it seems.
About $5-6 for 4 ounces or so.
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Momo finds Dale's and Marigold's bad diet utterly shocking. She must have a dietician app, as well as a social protocol database.
Is beef jerky something very specific to the US?
You can certainly buy beef jerky in Australia, and South African style biltong too. Obviously I never buy it, but online it seems to cost about A$10 for 100g.
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Back in my grandmother's village we used to make our own jerky. After a cow was slaughtered, which was rare, we'd take the really tough cuts as well as the smaller bits and pieces of meat out to dry. This simply involved salting them then hanging them out to dry in the sun. Once they were dry we'd hammer it until it was easy to chew and pack it up to use in various recipes or eat it on it's own.
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Beef jerky is tasty.
And as for bread - whole wheat with spent grains from the last batch of beer.
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Momo in Biribiri (http://toarumajutsunoindex.wikia.com/wiki/Misaka_Mikoto)-mode.
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Have Dale and Marigold had any interactions more than one page long?
Momo forcing them to hang out at the diner seems kind of... forced. But I'll be glad to see them finally actually talking to one another, so that's okay.
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I guess pork scratchings would be the more common opposite of beef jerky in the UK... although biltong is becoming increasingly common here too.
Does this mean that in a way Momo is shipping Dale and Marigold?
She is shipping them both with a healthy diet.
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Marbear, it's a diner. Of course you can have bacon.
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Have Dale and Marigold had any interactions more than one page long?
Longest I can recall was #2356 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2356) through #2358 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2358).
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Whow ! This will be an interesting week. :-D
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I work at Nando's, so I am (probably not) contractually obliged to vote for Pitas. Because seriously, pitas are amazing.
Close second place goes to Crumpets though, which can be equally as awesome, but in fewer ways (melted butter). :P
I know, this seems kind of forced, but I'm okay with it. Maybe we'll actually get to see Dale's eyes for a change. Cause we haven't seen them since... I think since he was reprimanding Dora for not telling Marten about the Secret Menu. Someone with superior archive-fu please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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I guess pork scratchings would be the more common opposite of beef jerky in the UK... although biltong is becoming increasingly common here too.
Does this mean that in a way Momo is shipping Dale and Marigold?
She is shipping them both with a healthy diet.
Shipping? Or gunboat diplomacy?
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Oh Momo, little thunder goddess, zap some sense enough to eat actual vegetables on them!
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Don't make Momo angry. You wouldn't like her when she's angry.
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Vegetables? Marten at least knows how to set realistic goals for himself.
I'm kind of surprised nobody has complained about Momo being a busybody. I like her too and she's acting for their good without benefit to herself, but she's in real buttinsky territory.
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Well, I might actually enjoy this arc. I rather like Marigold and Dale. As a bonus, pretty much any time Marten is on screen, he's going to be abused, so if this is a chance for him to take a hiatus from Demiurgos/Jeph, good for him. Perhaps Marigold/Hanners/Dora subplots will become so successful Marten will be allowed to sneak under the concertina wire and escape to self actualization in California.
On an unrelated note, actually had a friend who was diagnosed with scurvy. Twice. He had a diet more or less on par with Marigolds (pizza and burgers).
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Vegetables? Marten at least knows how to set realistic goals for himself.
I'm kind of surprised nobody has complained about Momo being a busybody. I like her too and she's acting for their good without benefit to herself, but she's in real buttinsky territory.
You don't say that to or about a woman with that level of voltage at her command.
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Besides, I've offered up the opinion before that this is exactly why Momo was paired with Marigold in the first place. Who's going to look out for Marigold if Momo doesn't? Marigold certainly can't do it herself, at least not yet.
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Marigold, fair enough. Momo's her companion.
But Dale????? I don't think her social protocol covers ordering him about.
Perhaps Momo's going for the "companions in woe" angle?
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Is beef jerky something very specific to the US? [...] What do the other Europeans say? Have you ever eaten it/ seen it in a shop in Europe?
I've seen it in supermarkets in the UK. However, that's only been in the last couple of years or so.
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Sidhekin, I think that she's trying to surruptitiously matchmake as well as act as a parent.
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In Mexico we have a certain comfort food which is very similar to beef jerky, named cecina. There are a lot of varieties, and you can even find it in a lot of convenience stores all around the country. You eat it with lemon and hot sauce, and it usually is thinner and drier than US and Canadian jerky.
I miss buffalo jerky. I used to eat it as a snack in Vancouver.
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Does this mean that in a way Momo is shipping Dale and Marigold?
She is shipping them both with a healthy diet.
Shipping? Or gunboat diplomacy?
Boom boom!
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Just like lactose free ice cream or anything sugar free - passable, but the second it hits your tongue you know there’s something very... off about it.
Not always - the lactose free chocolate yogurt and milkshakes you can get in the UK are delicious. I don't have a lot of sugar free stuff because the sweeteners are just as bad/worse, so can't comment there. I've discovered recently that I can't really digest fat and sugar very well, so that makes my diet interesting...
Momo is definitely attempting to force them to interact. I'm not sure she's hoping for a date situation, just a conversation.
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Is beef jerky something very specific to the US? [...] What do the other Europeans say? Have you ever eaten it/ seen it in a shop in Europe?
It can also be found under the name "pemmican" sometimes. Have you ever seen that around?
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How are her clothes not on fire?
15cm arcs are hot, yo.
Do A-PCs with electronic defences have to get specialty clothes?
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I miss buffalo jerky. I used to eat it as a snack in Vancouver.
YES. Buffalo anything, really, buffalo burgers >>>>>>>> beef burgers.
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Buffalo meat or buffalo sauce? Two very different things that require specifying.
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In this case buffalo meat, but honestly? I love both.
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How are her clothes not on fire?
15cm arcs are hot, yo.
Do A-PCs with electronic defences have to get specialty clothes?
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagicPants
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Clearly Momo considers beef jerky revolting. At least that's her current attitude. Something must explain her resistance, and why she was so amped up about it.
Interesting that her social protocol database suggested a diner. Cooking at home would be cheaper, and Momo presumably can invite guests over on her own authority.
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A diner is a neutral space. Marigold (and Momo)'s home is not.
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Interesting that her social protocol database suggested a diner. Cooking at home would be cheaper, and Momo presumably can invite guests over on her own authority.
Presumably that would require shopping for ingredients. Can you imagine what Marigold's kitchen cupboards are like?
Your jokes have the potential to spark a joule of puns that could last faraday or two.
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Clearly Momo considers beef jerky revolting. At least that's her current attitude. Something must explain her resistance, and why she was so amped up about it.
Interesting that her social protocol database suggested a diner. Cooking at home would be cheaper, and Momo presumably can invite guests over on her own authority.
Currently Momo needs a voltage regulator on her temper. Perhaps she could perform a relaxing "Ohm" chant.
*puts a squirrel in the pun jar*
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Watt, not this nonsense again
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Hope this lasts faraday and no more.
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Don't make Momo angry. You wouldn't like her when she's angry.
That's MY Line!
And am I the only one who hears that voice from an AED saying "Charging. Stand Clear" as she's doing that?
Also: I will NOT give in to all this pun-making. I do not want to have to charge my Pun Jar payment.
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I get the feeling this whole thing will have a shocking conclusion.
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Momo offered to start cooking almost as soon as she got her current chassis. It's possible that there are healthy food precursors in stock at Marigold's, even assuming she and Angus don't share food shopping.
Momo even tried to help with food preparation in her old chassis.
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Ah, I remember. That was the one with Faye as "friggin Sherlock Holmes of Anthro-PC mishaps" and Momo in a saucepan, right?
I've spent too much time on archive binges. I'll not go on another for this one.
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I wonder if Momo tasing Marigold and Dale would count as assault and battery.
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*bleeeeep*
The pun jar is demanding currency!
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Did anyone else hear Momo sizzling as she uttered that command?
And yes, she's setting up some social interaction for those two.
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What a re-volt-ing situation this is turning into...
I wonder if Momo tasing Marigold and Dale would count as assault and battery.
After all the beef jerky they've been ingesting, they'd probably turn out to be a salted battery!
<Claireface>
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Momo will not rest until all characters are shipped and properly nourished.
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I couldn't possibly include every type of bread, so I just wrote off of the top of my head, stopped when I hit 12, and added a catchall. The difference between wheat and whole wheat is whether there's intact grain in it or if it's been pulverized.
Everything gluten free I've had was good. Apples in particular. Seriously though, the gluten free pizza I had once was delicious, and I haven't had a bad experience.
Jerky is something that every country has had at some point, being lean, marinated, and dried meat, resistant to spoiling which is all kinds of useful when you keep losing neighbors to salmonella. If you've had dried meat, you've likely had jerky, whether or not you called it that.
As for Dale and Marigold, Momo is likely not shipping them, yet. I'm pretty positive. I'm not surprised they're going along with her demands though, that arcing looks like it Hertz.
Can you imagine what Marigold's kitchen cupboards are like?
She lives with another human, who presumably consumes a larger variety of food.
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Ah, I remember. That was the one with Faye as "friggin Sherlock Holmes of Anthro-PC mishaps" and Momo in a saucepan, right?
I've spent too much time on archive binges. I'll not go on another for this one.
http://questionablecontent.net/1623
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Guess it's time to ship Dale and Marigold. LOL
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Careful, newbie. We don't ship here, check out the rules thread. (I saw the LOL, but still, we tread carefully in regards to that sort of thing.)
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that arcing looks like it Hertz.
*grabs your wallet and tosses it in the pun jar*
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Is it just me, or are the pun jar comments significantly more annoying than the puns themselves?
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They definitely add static to the pun signal.
I thought I had an idea for a Fourier pun, but my sleep-deprived brain can't think of it now...
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Going back to jerky, I had bacon jerky recently. It was basically just, well...overpriced non-crispy bacon. It was still kind of good, because it was still bacon, but...non-crispy.
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Since this is summer, time of fairs and festivals, I must mention my anticipation of trying chocolate covered bacon at the local county fair.
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I tried that once, it was tasty, but too expensive to justify getting it more than once.
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I wonder what would be better: chocolate-covered bacon or bacon-covered chocolate.
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^
Why not "Magic Shell"?
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I know a couple people (online) why absolutely LOVE chocolate covered jalapeños. :psyduck:
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Is it just me, or are the pun jar comments significantly more annoying than the puns themselves?
It's better than stabbing people over wordplay, like they do in South Asia in the Punjab region.
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Is it just me, or are the pun jar comments significantly more annoying than the puns themselves?
Punny. Real punny.
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No, Dale, you have to push the button before you receive the bacon!
Doesn't the social protocol database include some material about how to start a conversation between two other people?
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Momo offered to start cooking almost as soon as she got her current chassis. It's possible that there are healthy food precursors in stock at Marigold's, even assuming she and Angus don't share food shopping.
"I have extracted everything of nutritional value from your food supplies on hand."
*Momo and Marigold stare at a small pile of food dust*
"We are buying you some vegetables."
D
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Come to think of it, do Dale and Marigold have anything in common besides WoW, which also divides them?
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This just in! According to a tweet (https://twitter.com/jephjacques/statuses/354520965629222912), tomorrow the secret of Dale's glowing glasses will be revealed.
Or it could be a huge mis-direct, of course.
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Come to think of it, do Dale and Marigold have anything in common besides WoW, which also divides them?
Their friends.
Also, they both watch anime according to the poster on Dale's room (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2359).
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Momo is definitely my kind of gal. The kind I wish I'd had for a G/F. Actually... like my partner in some ways.
As for Jerky - I add some biltong into soups sometimes. Good on pizza too, when shredded.
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For those who don't already know about it, the BEST alternative to jerky are Tanka Bites (http://www.tankabar.com).
(http://www.tankabar.com/nanf/images/p1-tanka-bites-product.jpg)
I love this stuff. Main ingredients are just buffalo and cranberries. Low fat, no MSG, no nitrates - hell, the entire ingredients list only has seven items.
It's really tasty! Plus, it's big, soft chunks of meat, not all dried out like jerky. I used to eat jerky - but now it's all about the Tanka Bites.
The other thing I like about this stuff (if you care about this sort of thing) is that it's a Native American company. They're on the Pine Ridge Reservation, in South Dakota. Company was founded by/is owned by/all employees are Native American. Meat comes from Native buffalo farms. Everything is made and packaged on-site. No big conglomerates. I dunno about you, but I really like that kinda thing.
Anyways, y'all should check it out. Great alternative to all the other pre-packaged preserved meats.
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So Steve eats cereal at night. Isn't that rather unusual?
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So... Dale went for an omelette (I think) and sausages, and Marigold for scrambled eggs and bacon... Still not a vegetable in sight.
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Baby steps. Tiny baby steps.
http://questionablecontent.net/1623
Reading on from this strip has made me notice something interesting - Dale's first appearance was only ten strips after the Marigold/Angus thing. Not that we should read much into this, since the newspost for the 'no tips for alliance scum' strip (1668 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1668)) implies that Jephzibah more or less just selected a random character for that gag. But interesting nonetheless.
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So... Dale went for an omelette (I think) and sausages, and Marigold for scrambled eggs and bacon... Still not a vegetable in sight.
But they are eating things that eats vegetables, so that's OK.
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Momo, this is momentus - someone is willingly surrendering bacon.
Which along with beer, is proof that the Divine loves us and wants us to be happy.
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This looks dangerously close to a date.
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This looks dangerously close to a date.
Most of my dates didn't involve the threat of electrocution though.
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This looks dangerously close to a date.
Most of my dates didn't involve the threat of electrocution though.
They don't? Huh.
Maybe that's where I'm going wrong…?
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i dunno, sounds a bit boring to me
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I found this adorable. Then again, I'm suddenly imaging the two of them in middle or elementary school and for some reason, seats were assigned for lunch, forcing the two to talk to each other, since they'd be too far from their friends.
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This just in! According to a tweet (https://twitter.com/jephjacques/statuses/354520965629222912), tomorrow the secret of Dale's glowing glasses will be revealed.
Or it could be a huge mis-direct, of course.
I always assumed Dale is simply wearing mirror glasses, like this: http://fragileeternity.deviantart.com/art/Independence-day-383010867 (http://fragileeternity.deviantart.com/art/Independence-day-383010867)
This looks dangerously close to a date.
Most of my dates didn't involve the threat of electrocution though.
They don't? Huh.
Maybe that's where I'm going wrong…?
Its totally possible ! I cant rule it out. Not definitely, anyway.
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that arcing looks like it Hertz.
*grabs your wallet and tosses it in the pun jar*
The pun jar only accepts voluntary donations.
I love the current arc. (pun not intended)
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This just in! According to a tweet (https://twitter.com/jephjacques/statuses/354520965629222912), tomorrow the secret of Dale's glowing glasses will be revealed.
Or it could be a huge mis-direct, of course.
I bet it will be a shocking revelation no matter watt.
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So... Dale went for an omelette (I think) and sausages, and Marigold for scrambled eggs and bacon... Still not a vegetable in sight.
Well that depends what's in Dale's omelet (although I suppose the vegetable still wouldn't be "in sight")
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This just in! According to a tweet (https://twitter.com/jephjacques/statuses/354520965629222912), tomorrow the secret of Dale's glowing glasses will be revealed.
Or it could be a huge mis-direct, of course.
I'm pretty sure it'll go somewhere along the lines of this (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0cd_1295609192).
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I see.
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Is it just me, or are the pun jar comments significantly more annoying than the puns themselves?
It's better than stabbing people over wordplay, like they do in South Asia in the Punjab region.
Knowing that adds a certain amount of spice to Banghra music and acts like Punjabi MC. Talk about critical reviews!
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They're gonna bang so hard.
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Careful.
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I guess Momo's electricity was a real pun generator.
/yeah, late, etc.
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So Steve eats cereal at night. Isn't that rather unusual?
Steve might have a similarly messed up sleep schedule as Marigold and eat cereal as a late breakfast. Although until now, Steve seemed to get up rather early in the morning to eat his cereal (Meena episode & after the wedding). Do we know if Steve has a job that permits sleeping whenever he likes? As far as I remember, Steve's way of earning money was never mentioned (apart from the secret agent episode). Is that correct?
I would like Dale to have normal eyes again. I liked him during his first appearances. And also mostly since then, except someone without visible eyes always seems kind of detached and less human somehow. Well, we'll see what happens tomorrow... If anything happens.
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He's gonna take off his glasses to wipe them, we'll see his eyes as he wipes away the glow, saying "Damned fireflies..."
Which is when we find out that Dale rides a scooter in the early evenings (don't smile!).
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Does that mean he speaks like an Australian, only moving his lips but never opening his mouth? (keeps one from eating the flies mate)
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So how many arch-nemeses is this now, Jeph?
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Just the one, still the same guy.
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Really? I thought David Willis had been referred to as a nemesis, too.
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Oh yea, maybe...
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Willis is more like an evil twin, I think.
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I've had cereal as my evening meal before (I've had pasta for breakfast too). It makes more sense really. During the day I need lots of energy because I'm running around all over the place and busy. At night, I'm just sleeping. I don't need to eat as much.
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what's wrong with cereal for dinner? sometimes a person just wants the easiest possible thing.
I've had cereal as my evening meal before (I've had pasta for breakfast too). It makes more sense really. During the day I need lots of energy because I'm running around all over the place and busy. At night, I'm just sleeping. I don't need to eat as much.
seems to me that at night is when you'd need extra protein & calcium when sleeping so that your body can rebuild it's self from the day's wear & tear.
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That makes sense - but there's no reason why you can't have a small meal with those things. The things that people traditionally eat for breakfast make more sense as an evening meal.
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I assume you mean North American people.
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Indeed, the Japanese breakfast is hard to identify as different from lunch or dinner.
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I know a couple people (online) why absolutely LOVE chocolate covered jalapeños. :psyduck:
Well hot cocoa traditionally used to be made with chili and water instead of milk so it's not that weird XD And spicy candy is kind of an institution in Mexico at least XD XD
Damn Marygold and Dale scenes now have me hungry for jerky and bacon...
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And that, of course, would be Marigold. Proper spelling of names of QC characters is important here.
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Henry Kissinger would be proud of Momo. :-D
How does Steak, Hash Browns, Eggs and Mushrooms sound for breakfast.
Coffee of course.
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So... Dale went for an omelette (I think) and sausages, and Marigold for scrambled eggs and bacon... Still not a vegetable in sight.
There's ketchup on the table. That's the Reagan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketchup_as_a_vegetable) vegetable!
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Jwhouk, I'm tempted to move that post to its own stickied thread. Would you object?
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For those who don't already know about it, the BEST alternative to jerky are Tanka Bites (http://www.tankabar.com).
(removed image for smaller post size)
I love this stuff. Main ingredients are just buffalo and cranberries. Low fat, no MSG, no nitrates - hell, the entire ingredients list only has seven items.
It's really tasty! Plus, it's big, soft chunks of meat, not all dried out like jerky. I used to eat jerky - but now it's all about the Tanka Bites.
The other thing I like about this stuff (if you care about this sort of thing) is that it's a Native American company. They're on the Pine Ridge Reservation, in South Dakota. Company was founded by/is owned by/all employees are Native American. Meat comes from Native buffalo farms. Everything is made and packaged on-site. No big conglomerates. I dunno about you, but I really like that kinda thing.
Anyways, y'all should check it out. Great alternative to all the other pre-packaged preserved meats.
Nice, looks a lot like like pemmican without as much of the refined animal fats added back in. I usually get a some beef & raisin or pork & cranberry jerky strips from a local company called Luther's, but I might have to try some of this out, it's been a while since I last ate buffalo.
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They're gonna bang so hard.
Yeah, like Marigold and Sven on the sidewalk! Wait, I already used that pun. Or did I!?
For those who don't already know about it, the BEST alternatives to jerky are Tanka Bites (http://www.tankabar.com)...
...Plus, it's big, soft chunks of meat, not all dried out like jerky...
You say that like jerky is a brand name with one method of production. Also, I feel like i just read an infomercial.
The pun jar only accepts voluntary donations.
*plink*
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So. AR glasses. When will somebody explain to him that it would be polite to turn them off when directly interacting with people?
Maybe Momo's social protocol database? Tomorrow?
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Momo must have known what AR glasses were. It looks like she's trying to get a conversation going. It's benevolent manipulation.
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The comic has arrived, ALL HAIL COMIC! HAIL!
Concerning Dale, called it. (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,29069.msg1168283.html#msg1168283) I wonder if her issues are similar to the ones people have with the method the 3DS uses to be 3d.
After he delivered peace-pizza (peaca?) and she responded with hissing on sight and her behavior this strip, Marigold is asking for an attitude adjustment. And to be called tsundere.
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I assume you mean North American people.
Um, no? That would be quite odd since I'm not North American. I guess I really meant "North American, European, Australian, and any other people who eat cereal, eggs, bread products, cheese and light meats for breakfast". But that seemed like quite a lot of words.
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So. AR glasses. When will somebody explain to him that it would be polite to turn them off when directly interacting with people?
Huh?
That kind of social protocol would be really out of place with ubiquitous AI and net access. Put another way, Dale's glasses don't do anything Momo can't do in her head.
(It might be impolite if he were using it in a way that distracts him from social interaction, but it's pretty evident that he isn't distracted.)
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I suspected Jeph would go the google-glasses route.
Like he says, THE MYSTERY IS DEAD.
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It does make me wonder just what he's augmenting over his reality. :P I'm going to pretend that mythical creatures are flying around in the background at all times.
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Guys, guys, this is last week's thread. AR glasses go in the other WCDT.
<mod> This refers to posts formerly in the wrong thread that I have now moved here </mod>
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I still think whatever we came up with over the years was better. R.I.P. mystery.
Incidentally, with those glasses, Dale will never be a professional ninja. R.I.P. carreer choice. :(
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I'm still at odds with how a running gag that went too long becomes retconned into a "magic" tech explanation.
I just don't know how I feel about it. It's not shark-jumping by a long shot, but it sorta feels like someone hopped over a fishbowl.
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Dale a ninja? After the mess he and his glasses got into in that dark alley? Let's just say that he's not a natural talent.
Edit: Something happened to the strip-by-strip list? I was greeted with a message like: "Pages 6 to 54 will not be shown in the free preview."
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Dale a ninja? After the mess he and his glasses got into in that dark alley? Let's just say that he's not a natural talent.
His WoW character is something ninjaish. I assume the dark alley event occurred because he was distracted by blinking to upload a picture of her reaction.
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Dale. Dale.
I want your glasses.
Dale.
Give them to me.
(edit for spelling)
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DA MYSTERY IS DEAD ! ALL HAIL YA MAJESTY DA MYSTERY ! :-P
Aaaaand I'm good on Dale glasses. He can keep them. REALLY !
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So. AR glasses. When will somebody explain to him that it would be polite to turn them off when directly interacting with people?
never. Because it's not, unless you're a luddite.
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I want AR specs! Hell I'd settle for just a HUD...
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I assume you mean North American people.
Um, no? That would be quite odd since I'm not North American. I guess I really meant "North American, European, Australian, and any other people who eat cereal, eggs, bread products, cheese and light meats for breakfast". But that seemed like quite a lot of words.
It appears that by calling you out for jumping to conclusions, I jumped to conclusions myself. Sorry :) I assumed you were talking about eggs and bacon.
His WoW character is something ninjaish.
A rogue, to be precise. It was also mentioned in the comic, but I am too lazy to find the exact strip.
It is interesting how Jeph correctly depicted that self-conscious people are sometimes (frequently?) unable to take compassion shown to them for real, used to being bullied and their feelings made fun of. So when that happens, they are prone to telling those people to go away. This, of course, alienates people even more, leading to a vicious cycle.
Am I projecting from my teenage self? Yes, maybe.
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I'm still at odds with how a running gag that went too long becomes retconned into a "magic" tech explanation.
I just don't know how I feel about it. It's not shark-jumping by a long shot, but it sorta feels like someone hopped over a fishbowl.
I know I'm still shaking my fist at that cloud...
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So. AR glasses. When will somebody explain to him that it would be polite to turn them off when directly interacting with people?
never. Because it's not, unless you're a luddite.
I see. So you'd also be fine with me always being on the phone when you're trying to talk to me? Or, in a previous era, having all conversations with an open newspaper or book between us?
Because, really, in all those cases the implication/subtext is the same: "You are not worth my full attention."
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- Marigold Farmer
- Pintsize
- Winslow
- Cosette Hurlbut
- Penelope Gaines
- Veronica Vance-Reed
- Henry Reed
- Maurice Duplantier
- Emily Azuma
- Claire Augustus
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Added Winslow and Cosette.
I also never noticed that we don't know Steve's last name, despite him being introduced in the third comic. Weird.
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So. AR glasses. When will somebody explain to him that it would be polite to turn them off when directly interacting with people?
never. Because it's not, unless you're a luddite.
I see. So you'd also be fine with me always being on the phone when you're trying to talk to me? Or, in a previous era, having all conversations with an open newspaper or book between us?
Because, really, in all those cases the implication/subtext is the same: "You are not worth my full attention."
no, the implication is "I am capable of doing multiple things with my brain". I feel sad for anyone who is not.
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You're still telling the person you are having a conversation with, giving instructions to, etc. that they are not worth your full attention.
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Because, really, in all those cases the implication/subtext is the same: "You are not worth my full attention."
no, the implication is "I am capable of doing multiple things with my brain". I feel sad for anyone who is not.
So it is not just rude, it is rude and arrogant.
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So. AR glasses. When will somebody explain to him that it would be polite to turn them off when directly interacting with people?
never. Because it's not, unless you're a luddite.
I see. So you'd also be fine with me always being on the phone when you're trying to talk to me? Or, in a previous era, having all conversations with an open newspaper or book between us?
Because, really, in all those cases the implication/subtext is the same: "You are not worth my full attention."
I think that really depends on exactly what the AR glasses provide and how much control one has over when they provide it. It's conceivable that there's just a basic HUD that a user who's used to them can pretty much ignore when interacting with other people. Plus, this is Dale. He probably considers their constantly glowing to be a feature, not a bug. I have no problems imagining him leaving them glowing even if and when they were providing him with no information at all.
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Using enhanced reality glasses when interacting with someone need not mean that you are not engaging with them indirectly through them (just as with hearing aids, for instance); however, social awareness of this will require time to evolve more fully.
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Exactly. This tech is still in the early stages, so we haven't fully come to terms with the social implications of it.
One thing to note is that the people who have Google glasses now do not turn them off. Ever. But the early adopters are all extreme technophiles, so they're not a good representative sample of the population at large.
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Jwhouk, I'm tempted to move that post to its own stickied thread. Would you object?
Not at all. Include link to the Wiki if you want. ;)
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Jwhouk, I'm tempted to move that post to its own stickied thread. Would you object?
Not at all. Include link to the Wiki if you want. ;)
Don't use the one without Winslow and Cosette, though. :P
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Dale a ninja? After the mess he and his glasses got into in that dark alley? Let's just say that he's not a natural talent.
Edit: Something happened to the strip-by-strip list? I was greeted with a message like: "Pages 6 to 54 will not be shown in the free preview."
*Sigh* Scribd is being stupid. If you don't have an account and submit something to share, it doesn't let you read complete documents. :psyduck:
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no, the implication is "I am capable of doing multiple things with my brain". I feel sad for anyone who is not.
This has actually been scientifically analyzed and found to not happen. Humans don't multitask- the closest they get is switching focus back and forth rapidly between tasks.
Now, Dale is probably not multitasking, because there is no evidence that he is interacting with or observing his glasses while conversing.
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*Sigh* Scribd is being stupid.
I have never had Scribd do anything useful for me. I learnt long ago to ignore all references to its use; and as far as I can see it offers nothing that can't be done by simply hosting a PDF on any suitable web space.
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I also never noticed that we don't know Steve's last name, despite him being introduced in the third comic. Weird.
Maybe he's actually a king and has no family name. :-D Okay okay I'll shut up, he probably just has a good old fashioned family name. Maybe its Steve ? Or Steven. Or Stevenson. Or Steverific... ? shutting up, shutting up ! :roll:
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Steve had a last name, but all records of it were erased when he joined USDOKYA. Now he just has a number. And they won't even tell him what the number is.
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Steve's last name might be Agent K.
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The correct spelling for our "main" characters:
- Marten Reed
- Faye Whitaker
- Dora Bianchi
- Tai Hubbard
- Hannelore Ellicott-Chatham
- Sven Bianchi
- Steve
- Marigold Farmer
- Pintsize
- Winslow
- Cosette Hurlbut
- Penelope Gaines
- Veronica Vance-Reed
- Henry Reed
- Maurice Duplantier
- Emily Azuma
- Claire Augustus
- Clinton Augustus
Added Winslow and Cosette.
I also never noticed that we don't know Steve's last name, despite him being introduced in the third comic. Weird.
According to this strip (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2203), Tai's last name is Hubbert, not Hubbard
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I have never had Scribd do anything useful for me.
There's an outdated but still useful copy of the list hosted on the wiki.
Scribd has multiple uses. It can temporarily treat low blood pressure, and cure you of excessive goal orientation.
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Oh, I just knew I'd come to this thread and people would be disappointed by the glasses.
I'm extremely pleased -- we still got all the great glowing glasses jokes and images, but the explanation retroactively makes sense and fits the character. And an explanation that makes sense is good -- there's some pretty crazy tech, but there isn't "magic" in the QC world.
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Speaking of AR glasses, a guy was using Google Glass in front of me in the subway. I felt weirdly watched.
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Big Brother is watching you (assuming you have a living elder male sibling who isn't blind and is within range of sight of you and is looking in your general direction).
*throws some acorns into the pun jar for the hungry squirrel*
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PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT!
The correct spelling for our "main" characters:
- Marten Reed
- Faye Whitaker
- Dora Bianchi
- Tai Hubbard
- Hannelore Ellicott-Chatham
- Sven Bianchi
- Steve
- Marigold Farmer
- Pintsize
- Winslow
- Cosette Hurlbut
- Penelope Gaines
- Veronica Vance-Reed
- Henry Reed
- Maurice Duplantier
- Emily Azuma
- Claire Augustus
- Clinton Augustus
Added Winslow and Cosette.
I also never noticed that we don't know Steve's last name, despite him being introduced in the third comic. Weird.
According to this strip (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2203), Tai's last name is Hubbert, not Hubbard
According to this strip (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1992), Marigold's full name may be Marigold Louise Farmer.
However, Marten is not really named Marten Tiberius Reed, so who knows? 8-)
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i like the idea of one of the characters using ar goggles, it's a good example of how technology is integrated into everyday life in the qc setting.
speaking of which, notice how the only other two characters on that list without last names are robots. maybe that's a clue about steve?
no, the implication is "I am capable of doing multiple things with my brain". I feel sad for anyone who is not.
This has actually been scientifically analyzed and found to not happen. Humans don't multitask- the closest they get is switching focus back and forth rapidly between tasks.
actually, the answer is a great deal more complicated than that. the nervous system does multitask to a massive extent, managing all the essential systems of the body at the same time, constantly. however, individual parts of the brain are only able to engage in one task at a time & have to switch back and forth while multitasking.
this is why you can walk and talk and breathe and digest and navigate all at the same time without any problems, but not read a book while having a conversation and listening to the news. the former is an example of different systems engaging in different tasks, while the later is an example of one system (language) trying to process 3 different streams of input at the same time.
furthermore, while that type of multitasking can be improved with practice, there is some recent evidence that people who learn to do so well experience a detrimental effect on their ability to concentrate on a single task.
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According to this strip (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1992), Marigold's full name may be Marigold Louise Farmer.
However, Marten is not really named Marten Tiberius Reed, so who knows? 8-)
Since proper spelling of character names seems to be a very important deal, I simply wished to do my part.
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Big Brother is watching you (assuming you have a living elder male sibling who isn't blind and is within range of sight of you and is looking in your general direction).
*throws some acorns into the pun jar for the hungry squirrel*
Thank you for your consideration. However, is this enough?
Abstract:
In this paper, we will attempt to determine whether out little virtual critter survives. It is known that squirrels eat acorns [3], among other things (they are omnivores [3]).
One dried acorn weighs 4 grams. [1]
100g of (dried) acorns contain 509 calories. [2] Therefore it follows that 4g (= 1 acorn) contain 509/25 = 20.36 calories.
The Internet tells us that a squirrel has a daily caloric intake of a squirrel is between 95-140 calories [3], which comes out at about 5-7 acorns the little critter needs to eat per day.
Now, how many is "some"? Again, from the Internet [4], we learn that "some" is "relatively many". The first recorded use of the word is 1840, by the way. Maybe we can conclude how many acorns we have from historical context. It seems opportune to take a look at Wikipedia [5] to see what was happening in the UK in 1840.
We can see a lot of architectural projects being started in that year, despite the ongoing Opium War with China. This year also marks the introduction of the Chimney Sweeps Act which "prohibits the employment of children under the age of 21 as chimney sweeps." [5]. From these facts, we can conclude that 1840 was a year of relative prosperity, so the word "some" probably meant what would in other times be considered "plenty". For purposes of this paper, it seems to be safe to assume that this could have meant around 7, which is, as shown earlier, enough for a squirrel to survive for one day.
Conclusion: the squirrel lives for now. However, as an omnivore, it will require a balanced diet. For how long it can live, yet remains to be seen, and we are looking forward to further research on the matter.
[1] http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=weight+of+one+dried+acorn
[2] http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3083/2
[3] http://impactla.calstatela.edu/lesson.shtml?param=135 in the PDF
[4] http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=how+many+is+some
[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1840_in_the_United_Kingdom
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I love the way Dale can eat and drink with a toothpick in his mouth.
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For those who don't already know about it, the BEST alternatives to jerky are Tanka Bites (http://www.tankabar.com)...
...Plus, it's big, soft chunks of meat, not all dried out like jerky...
You say that like jerky is a brand name with one method of production. Also, I feel like i just read an infomercial.
Didn't mean to make it sound like an infomercial - I just get excited about stuff. I love finding healthier alternative foods, and I just think it's really awesome that a Native company is doing so well - so I guess I just believe in it and want to help any way I can :)
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I'm still at odds with how a running gag that went too long becomes retconned into a "magic" tech explanation.
I wouldn't call it retconning - that would imply that some previous history was being rewritten. Since we have no previous history on Dale's glasses, this is just... an explanation, really.
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He said a long time ago on twitter there was a reason for it.
He could have probably have revealed it earlier though, BEFORE it actually became a real life thing.
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As I recall, something like these glasses showed up in "Snow Crash".
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i like the idea of one of the characters using ar goggles, it's a good example of how technology is integrated into everyday life in the qc setting.
speaking of which, notice how the only other two characters on that list without last names are robots. maybe that's a clue about steve?
no, the implication is "I am capable of doing multiple things with my brain". I feel sad for anyone who is not.
This has actually been scientifically analyzed and found to not happen. Humans don't multitask- the closest they get is switching focus back and forth rapidly between tasks.
actually, the answer is a great deal more complicated than that. the nervous system does multitask to a massive extent, managing all the essential systems of the body at the same time, constantly. however, individual parts of the brain are only able to engage in one task at a time & have to switch back and forth while multitasking.
this is why you can walk and talk and breathe and digest and navigate all at the same time without any problems, but not read a book while having a conversation and listening to the news. the former is an example of different systems engaging in different tasks, while the later is an example of one system (language) trying to process 3 different streams of input at the same time.
furthermore, while that type of multitasking can be improved with practice, there is some recent evidence that people who learn to do so well experience a detrimental effect on their ability to concentrate on a single task.
everyone I've ever met, even luddites bad at multitasking, are able to do two things at once - example, making a bed while holding a conversation, dicing vegetables while reading a cookbook, or the singular act of dictation: listening to and understanding what someone is saying while writing it down. Yes, studies have shown that with a complex task, your full attention is required. Duh. However 3/4 of your daily activities, if not more, do not qualify as a "complex task" to most people. One of my biggest pet peeves are people who say "you're not listening to me unless you're sitting down, making eye contact, hands folded in your lap, and not saying a word". I know people like that. They're wrong. I highly doubt anyone will challenge me on this.
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He said a long time ago on twitter there was a reason for it.
He could have probably have revealed it earlier though, BEFORE it actually became a real life thing.
It was a real life thing 22 years before QC started.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyetap
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i like the idea of one of the characters using ar goggles, it's a good example of how technology is integrated into everyday life in the qc setting.
speaking of which, notice how the only other two characters on that list without last names are robots. maybe that's a clue about steve?
no, the implication is "I am capable of doing multiple things with my brain". I feel sad for anyone who is not.
This has actually been scientifically analyzed and found to not happen. Humans don't multitask- the closest they get is switching focus back and forth rapidly between tasks.
actually, the answer is a great deal more complicated than that. the nervous system does multitask to a massive extent, managing all the essential systems of the body at the same time, constantly. however, individual parts of the brain are only able to engage in one task at a time & have to switch back and forth while multitasking.
this is why you can walk and talk and breathe and digest and navigate all at the same time without any problems, but not read a book while having a conversation and listening to the news. the former is an example of different systems engaging in different tasks, while the later is an example of one system (language) trying to process 3 different streams of input at the same time.
furthermore, while that type of multitasking can be improved with practice, there is some recent evidence that people who learn to do so well experience a detrimental effect on their ability to concentrate on a single task.
everyone I've ever met, even luddites bad at multitasking, are able to do two things at once - example, making a bed while holding a conversation, dicing vegetables while reading a cookbook, or the singular act of dictation: listening to and understanding what someone is saying while writing it down. Yes, studies have shown that with a complex task, your full attention is required. Duh. However 3/4 of your daily activities, if not more, do not qualify as a "complex task" to most people. One of my biggest pet peeves are people who say "you're not listening to me unless you're sitting down, making eye contact, hands folded in your lap, and not saying a word". I know people like that. They're wrong. I highly doubt anyone will challenge me on this.
I like how this whole side conversation misses the point of the phrase "full attention."
Yes, you are completely capable of juggling a variety of different tasks or maybe a couple of complex ones or etc. etc. I'm sure you're a very talented person and your parents are proud of you. However, when you're showing off your multitasking skills, you are, by definition of that act, not devoting your full attention to any one of those tasks. You are doing all of them adequately. "Adequate attention" is not "full attention."
If you're multitasking while you're having a conversation with someone, you may very well hear and respond to that person, but you're also refusing to give them your full attention while you do so. To some, this could be seen as disrespectful, depending on the circumstances.
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Glowy AR specs, SO MUCH WANT.
On the topic of mulitasking problems/social conventions of AR-specs with HUDs, we really don't have many real-world examples at the moment, they aren't widespread enough yet. However, we can look to computer games as a guide, I'm sure many of us who play RPGs (role-playing games) can testify that during conversations with characters there's very little distraction caused by the HUD, or at most other times really. Checking it is more subconcious activity than concious, I can see this being very similar in the real world.
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Whenever I see the acronym AR, I tend to think "Anti-reflection" as in an anti-reflection coating on a lens, rather than "augmented reality."
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Ok, let's pick some example numbers off a cloud here. Let's say I'm taking to you, and the meaning of a word comes up. I pull out my phone and Google for the definition. I'm still giving 75%+ of my attention to you and our conversation, which to be completely honest I could maintain with 50% or less. I divert the remaining 25% to find the definition of the word.
Who is "wrong" in this situation? Me, for 'being disrespectful' and 'rude' by doing other things already related to our conversation or you, for being so high and mighty that you demand 100% attention focused on you at all times because what you're saying is that world changingly important?
It makes you an ass. It does not make me rude.
And for all you luddites out there, replace 'pull out phone' with 'walk over to the bookshelf and grab a dictionary' - the situation is the same.
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Empathize.
If I'm talking to you and your attention appears to be diverted, how do I know if you're hearing me or not? That doesn't have anything to do with the world-changing content of my speech, but whether or not we're having a conversation.
If I'm not sure if you're listening, how and when will I find out?
Can you say that this has never, ever happened to you?
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Considering the definition of a conversation is two or more people conversing, would not the fact of whether or not I am saying anything, or responding in some way (head nodding, ect) be plenty indicator enough?
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Maybe. Maybe not.
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When somebody pulls his phone out of the pocket to check a definition online or something like that I'll stop talking. I'll wait for you to find the solution until I start talking again.
I try to look at people when I talk with them. It's difficult to me, but I consider it impolite not to. It's not necessary to keep eye contact the whole time, but looking at the person every once in a while and not doing something else is to me. When I listen to somebody that will show them that I care about whatever they say. I'll even do this if I don't care, just because it's polite. If you'd watch me in my daily life you'd notice me doing something while listening to a conversation, and when I want to take part in it I'll put down whatever it is I'm doing and turn towards the people talking. Regular thing to happen in our hackerspace: some people talk with each other about something, and this one person jumps into the conversation without even looking up from his notebook. The people talking earlier bedazzledly look at him for a second before continuing. This is something we all consider very rude. And I doubt you'd call hackerspace members "luddites".
With these glasses, I'd only buy some of these if they had a way of blanking them. Much like locking a smartphone. It doesn't need to be turned off, just dark. When talking to somebody I'd blank them, unless there is something like the aforementioned "looking something up", and I'd expect others to do the same.
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To me that would just leave the impression of impatience. Body language is important. If somebody isn't turned in my direction while I'm talking to them I'll interpret it as a "I don't care about what you say anyway", or short as a "Fuck you" in my general direction.
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See, i take that as the complete opposite - clearly you don't find what you have to say to be that important if the slightest distraction or deviation from what you wanted is enough to completely throw you off.
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It's not the importance of what I say, but the importance of the other person to me. I don't care if what I'm talking about is important or not, but it's good to show the conversational partner that (s)he is important enough to you to deserve your full attention.
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Who is "wrong" in this situation? Me, for 'being disrespectful' and 'rude' by doing other things already related to our conversation or you, for being so high and mighty that you demand 100% attention focused on you at all times because what you're saying is that world changingly important?
It makes you an ass. It does not make me rude.
Neither, objectively.
Subjectively, since that's the only way those terms can be applied, it's a matter of perspective. If it were me, I'd probably ask what you were doing if you abruptly started Googling something/looking for a book in the middle of a conversation and then, when you explained you were educating yourself about something I'd mentioned that you didn't understand, I'd probably wait until you were done searching to continue (as it would be silly to keep talking about something you've just admit to knowing nothing about until you've caught up with me).
On the flipside, if you said something I didn't get, I'd probably look to the most direct and pertinent method of clarification available in a conversation: asking you what it means. If neither of us knows, I might look it up later, or suggest looking it up at the time, but putting the conversation on hold because I need to know what that word means right now just seems sorta...odd. And not putting the conversation on hold to go look up the thing right now is even weirder, since you're still thinking about the thing you're looking up even though you're probably not still talking about it by that point.
I doubt I'd think you're rude for doing it. Impatient, though, definitely, and rude if you then treat me like an ass for not wanting to keep talking to the back of your head while you Google something.
Basically you summed it up at the end of your question. It's not that every word someone says to you is "world changingly important." It's that, by making it clear you don't feel the conversation is particularly important, you're visibly attributing reduced importance (and thereby respect) to the interaction. So in that sense, yes, indicating you don't feel whatever's being said calls for your undivided attention is pretty rude. Even if it isn't important, that doesn't mean you have to show them you feel that way. Doing so is simply impolite.
Comparison that will no doubt be cast aside with a "that's not the same thing" but is none the less comparable: you're at home reading a book on the couch in your living room. A sibling/spouse/parent/whatever comes in the front door and says, "I'm home." You don't respond because, hey, you're right there on the couch beside the front door - obviously you already knew they were home before they said it. You didn't need to be directly informed of their arrival, and even if you hadn't noticed, it's not important information anyway. They're home now, that's all. No big deal.
...yeah, that's probably not going to have a positive impact on whoever just got home, given it suggests you don't care about them. That might not be true, but it's the impression given by not responding with at least a simple, "Hi." Or "Welcome back." Or some other indication you recognize their presence as another person.
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The tech version of rose coloured glasses?
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It's entirely possible that the AR field doesn't have audio, so he's only seeing video or script, not "hearing" anything.
I honestly don't know how he'd do it, though. Unless the projection is on the lower half of the glasses, you wouldn't be able to see through the lenses - and that would drive me CRAZY. (Of course, that's because I'm incredibly nearsighted.)
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Not necessarily. It said AR, not VR. Augmented. Quite possibly it's a transparent OLED Display, that he can see right through.
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In such proximity to the eye a OLED display probably wouldn't be legible. You'd need to use method of projection which allows you to adjust the depth the user perceives, so HUD elements would probably be in focus in usual reading distance.
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Well, not of they get the PPI high enough.
Which shouldn't be a concern
http://displaydaily.com/2012/03/15/microoled-puts-retina-display-to-shame/
http://www.tested.com/tech/photography/3520-54-million-dot-1280x1024-electronic-viewfinder-challenges-optical-clarity/
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In my experience, people insist on respect and attention from others, in inverse proportion to the extent they give it to others. Those most inclined to demand it are the least likely to give it.
The focal plane of AR glasses would be an interesting exercise in visual-interface design, and ideally your glasses would need to be "aware" of what your eyes were focussed on. If, for example, your glasses were superimposing navigation prompts from a GPS on your field of view, those prompts would need to be in-focus when your eyes were focussed at a distance. If you were dealing with someone across a desk the relevant "plane" of focus would be much closer.
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Still the short distance between eye and "screen" would make it impossible to focus. You wouldn't be able to see a sharp image. Hold your smartphone in glasses distance of your eye. No matter how much you zoom, it won't be comfortable for reading. It would even be worse for a HUD, as you would constantly shift the focus distance of your eye from extremely close up (screen) to far away (whatever you're looking at). Electronic viewfinders use multiple lenses to appear in focus, you can't do that with glasses. You could however use projections to virtually set a long focus distance.
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I don't think so. Like I said I'll always put down whatever I do when entering a conversation to give my attention, but expect others to do the same. I won't say/do anything about it if they don't, but the person would be remembered as impolite by me.
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Perhaps a manual focus, at least in the early version? They'd be fitted to your eyes when you get them, so it knows how/where your eyes focus, and then a slider (or touchpad?) on the arm to "zoom" your focus in and out. And if its at the opposite spectrum (zoomed out focus when you're reading, ect) you should be able to see through it (with the whole 'hold a finger in front of one eye' thing)
Or maybe they just read brainwaves.
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Dale doesn't know that girls go to the bathroom together to chat privately?
Either that or Momo is changing the water in her eel tank.
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Wasn't the eel tank a feature of Momo's previous chassis?
Anyway, any speculations on what results could have appeared?
This is now the second time this week that I read the comic before going to bed. I should think about my sleep schedule.
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Dale must have ran afoul of rule 34.
What is seen cannot be unseen. :psyduck:
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He'll never think about Momo the same way again. Poor Dale. :psyduck:
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Dale clearly hasn't seen the pack behavior of human females in the wild before.
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I remember that Pintsize "had to" use the bathroom (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=212) before, but that's all i have.
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Woo early comic. I'm actually at walmart, and this had me laughing in the middle of an aisle.
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Electronic viewfinders use multiple lenses to appear in focus, you can't do that with glasses.
It depends where you put the lens system, and how you pass the image into the eye. You probably wouldn't want to put the lens system in front of the eye like night-vision goggles, so you'd need to put it behind or alongside the eye and reflect it back, as I think the Google Glass and Oakley Airwave (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-9UAJ4v_8M) goggles both do. I wear goggles for cycling, and I'm following this technology with interest; I would like to be able to operate/read my GPS/bike-computer without taking my eyes off the road. Gratuitous pic of Motoko Kusanagi paying proper attention to every word you say:
(http://c85c7a.medialib.glogster.com/media/3f/3f3e2f3fa17f231ac43681790b301127c587328ae717c1b3f38941caae525953/vex.jpg)
Judging from Momo's hesitation, I think she's simply working off her social-protocol database of appropriate female behaviour. And Dale needs a smack from the clue-bat, but it's a bit harsh to sear his retinas like that.
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Akima, have you checked out the recon jet? Its like a pair of Google glass sunglasses specifically designed for sports/fitness. I'm personally not too interested due to the fairly specified software, but it seems perfect for you.
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Still waiting for an Ap that will sync my google glass with an attachment on my rifle.
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What, no comments on the vaguely Faye looking waitress?
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Eh, I noticed it before, but now that I'm seeing her I don't see the resemblance anymore.
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Can Dale really be that oblivious? Even if he does not know that women talk in the bathroom, in this situation it is so very obvious that Momo has something that needs saying to Marigold.
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Eh, if I was slightly more oblivious, didn't know that women* talk in the bathroom and my prior assumption was that she really needs to use the bathroom, it wouldn't be obvious to me.
I hope we get to see some beautiful mirror perspectives tomorrow.
*...did we ever discuss the topic of gender identity of AnthroPCs? Do we even know if Momo considers herself female?
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It's a software setting. I'm too lazy to look up the relevant comic but it's linked from the AnthroPC article on the wiki.
Momo did pick out a female-appearing chassis.
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from a purely technical standpoint there's no real reason to program robots to have gender identities, and thus it doesn't make much sense for them to have them. however we do see a.i. in questionable content display a lot of human-like behavior that doesn't seem to make sense in a functional standpoint (enjoying cake batter for example), so it's quite possible.
one might speculate that it's a result of observational learning, that they go beyond simple mimicry and actively incorporate observed behavior into their operating systems.
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My best guess is that the glasses are on "stand by" while he's talking to Marigold. The glowing might be constant regardless.
In my experience, people insist on respect and attention from others, in inverse proportion to the extent they give it to others. Those most inclined to demand it are the least likely to give it.
Thank you for saying that... :)
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Dale has terrible posture. Just sayin'
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Selecting genders would be a way for AnthroPCs to mesh better with humans. And, it could very well be an attempt to avoid "default male" from happening with a non-gendered robot, by the human developers of the AIs.
Also, it's been stated that AIs have a form of sexual reproduction (even if that's not the primary way they're formed).
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Still waiting for an Ap that will sync my google glass with an attachment on my rifle.
Not quite yet, Saito (http://ghostintheshell.wikia.com/wiki/Saito)!
That Recon Jet gadget looks interesting. I generally prefer goggles to glasses for riding, but it certainly shows what can be done, and I'll have to read up on it.
Unlike Pintsize, or PT410x, Momo's chassis has always had a feminine style, albeit a chibi one at first, and she selected a female-appearing replacement chassis when given the opportunity to change. I don't know if Momo considers herself female, but she certainly chooses to present that way in body-type, hair-style, clothing etc.
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Looks like Rule 34 was too much for Dale...
I really wonder where Jeph is going with that storyline.
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Do we even know if Momo considers herself female?
She certainly appears to in this strip (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1658)
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Eh, if I was slightly more oblivious, didn't know that women* talk in the bathroom and my prior assumption was that she really needs to use the bathroom, it wouldn't be obvious to me.
Coming just after Momo twice correcting Marigold's behavior, it was blindingly obvious to me.
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I think the whole revealing-why-Dale's-glasses-glow thing could have been handled so much better by skipping 2487 and just having today's comic.
Having 2488 as a follow-on to 2487 makes today's joke feel a bit laboured. Heck, even switching them would work better, though I guess that would preclude tomorrow's somewhat inevitable conference-in-the-lady's-room scene.
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Ok, let's pick some example numbers off a cloud here. Let's say I'm taking to you, and the meaning of a word comes up. I pull out my phone and Google for the definition. I'm still giving 75%+ of my attention to you and our conversation, which to be completely honest I could maintain with 50% or less. I divert the remaining 25% to find the definition of the word.
Who is "wrong" in this situation? Me, for 'being disrespectful' and 'rude' by doing other things already related to our conversation or you, for being so high and mighty that you demand 100% attention focused on you at all times because what you're saying is that world changingly important?
It makes you an ass. It does not make me rude.
And for all you luddites out there, replace 'pull out phone' with 'walk over to the bookshelf and grab a dictionary' - the situation is the same.
How about you simply ask me what the meaning of the word is?
The whole point of conversing with someone is to interact with him or her. The minute you pull out a phone, you are disengaging with them, either completely or partly. The person you're speaking with probably doesn't even know why you've suddenly pulled out your phone to go online. Being rude is partially about the impressions you make by your own actions, intentional or not.
And if you suddenly get up, walk over to a bookshelf, and grab a dictionary when somebody's in the middle of talking to you, you are an ass. I'm 40 plus years old, so I lived in an era before cell phones, much less smart phones, and nobody did that. They simply asked, since, hey, we're already talking to each other. Unplug your bedamned self.
I have a friend who just moved to the United States from France, and while she speaks English very well, there are the damnedest spaces in her vocabulary. She never hesitates to ask me when she doesn't understand something, and I never hesitate to stop and ask her when she looks confused. That's what a conversation is...engaging with someone and paying attention to them, rather than only giving them part of your time.
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I try to put things in context. If I'm talking with someone and something comes up whose meaning we can't determine between us, I don't consider it rude for either of us to say, "let's look it up" and consult whatever's handy. We're still engaging each other.
If, however, you're like a former boss of mine who practiced "air golf swings" in the middle of you trying to talk to him, then yeah, you're an ass, technology or no. Context of that was that he made a point of letting you know, verbally or nonverbally, there was always something more important on his mind.
Mostly I agree with Akima's observation that those who demand the most respect give the least (and my corollary: those who demand the most respect COMmand the least) -- but I also worked in an environment in which it was increasingly true that politeness and the giving of respect was seen as a weakness. Feel free to use the phrase "vicious circle" to describe the situation in which I found myself until I got fed up and gave five seconds notice.
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Who is "wrong" in this situation? Me, for 'being disrespectful' and 'rude' by doing other things already related to our conversation or you, for being so high and mighty that you demand 100% attention focused on you at all times because what you're saying is that world changingly important?
(http://i.imgur.com/Lh4Taid.jpg)
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Dale asked for that. I mean literally. He verbally asked his glasses to google the information. He can't now complain that it gave him something he didn't want.
And why was safesearch off on his glasses in the first place? Hmmmmm.
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Of course. What else would you use those things for?
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Dale asked for that. I mean literally. He verbally asked his glasses to google the information. He can't now complain that it gave him something he didn't want.
And why was safesearch off on his glasses in the first place? Hmmmmm.
You mean you have safesearch on on your private PC?
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Whose idea was it to put image results on the main search page anyway? -_-
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Do we even know if Momo considers herself female?
She certainly appears to in this strip (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1658)
SvenRolled.
Gender is set in the APC software. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=347)
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Microsoft with their latest operating system?
Either that or the glasses has it's own AI called Glasses and it likes to haze Dale.
Come to think of it, that can explain the incident in the alley and maybe a few others as well.
So another character may have been added to the cast.
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I actually googled it, and through images, this was the first result:
(http://www.questionablecontent.net/random/1547p3wtf.png)
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SAFESEARCH ON SAFESEARCH ON!
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I'm guessing he ran into some of Pintsize's stuff.
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I actually googled it, and through images, this was the first result:
(http://www.questionablecontent.net/random/1547p3wtf.png)
who's the brunette again?
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Cosette's roommate.
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"Luna", I believe.
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Either that or the glasses has it's own AI called Glasses and it likes to haze Dale.
Come to think of it, that can explain the incident in the alley and maybe a few others as well.
So another character may have been added to the cast.
Oh my god I totally want Glasses to be a new character
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"Luna", I believe.
Correct (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1546).
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Q: Why would an AI need to use the bathroom?
A: Data-dump.
OH FOR THE LOVE OF -- NO ONE ELSE THOUGHT OF THIS?! :-D
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I think you owe the squirrel some acorns for that one. :psyduck:
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I think you owe the squirrel some acorns for that one. :psyduck:
I walnut comply.
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Won't this poor thing need something to drink soon?
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You can hire Momo to take care of the squirrel. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1483)
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Yes, because Momo did such a good job of handling that squirrel (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1485).
Sort of. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1487)
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Still waiting for an Ap that will sync my google glass with an attachment on my rifle.
Hello Saito, didn't know Section 9 read this comic! :D
The trick is to be specific in your search Dale.
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I suppose it was inevitable that Dale would turn out to have google glasses (note the lack of capitalization). Personally I assume that Momo is following Marigold into the bathroom purely for social purposes (why women want to have company while they're performing unpleasant biological functions I can't fathom, but it's a pretty solidly established trope of the gender in our society, or at least it was when I was younger).
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What, no comments on the vaguely Faye looking waitress?
Eh, it's just some girl with short hair and glasses. It's not like she's scientist Tai or when FutureHanners presided over Maurice's wedding.
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WRONG THREAD.
Why did we bother with the dates, again?
<mod> Once again I've moved the post that this refers to - thanks Carl! </mod>
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They're more of a guideline :P
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Still waiting for an Ap that will sync my google glass with an attachment on my rifle.
Hello Saito, didn't know Section 9 read this comic! :D
...damn, and I thought this screen name was good too. Now the major's gonna yell at me again for breaking cover.
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Oh well, maybe the old man will cover for you. :-D
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Why's he panicking? Never seen an oil-change before?
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Momo just lost an argument with Marigold. The dynamics of this relationship are not simple.
Marigirl's problems may exceed what Momo can reasonably address.
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Seriously, what is Marigolds problem? I've been liking her less and less lately.
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Why Momo didn't think that called for a shocking, I'll never understand...
Seriously, what is Marigolds problem? I've been liking her less and less lately.
Her problem is that she only views others as judgmental, and not herself.
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That actually sounds pretty spot on.
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she views herself as the eternal victim, and so everything that happens to her is seen through that context.
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Having said that, I usually make it a point of not leaving my table if everyone else is away. I'll usually wait until someone returns, and then go to the restroom / leave, etc. But Marigold is just overreacting IMO.
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She's got zip for positive social experience. She's reminding me of a statement about North Korea, to the effect that they not only fail to realize that normal relationship with other nations are possible, they don't even know what normal relations are.
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she views herself as the eternal victim, and so everything that happens to her is seen through that context.
I wouldn't go quite that far, but in the relationship between her and Dale she definitely sees herself as the victim. Consequently, she seized on the first piece of 'evidence' that confirmed that (which coincidentally gets her out of social situation that she was forced into in the first place).
Previously you could have argued that that point of view was valid. But now that Dale's made an honest attempt to bury the hatchet she just comes across as clinging to her victimhood. Not a good look.
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I could see Marigold spending way too much time on tumblr social justice.
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*Headdesk*
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I was unhappy with this particular comic. I didn't think marigold was the type of character to do that, although I sort of get the motivation behind it. Hopefully Jeph has it turn out more or less ok in the end, Dale seems like a chill guy.
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Welcome, new person!
A point of note, the creator of the comic is called Jeph.
I thought Jeph had said he wouldn't do that "Shakespearian misunderstanding" stuff as a plot device? :|
I second the aforementioned sentiments.
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Welcome, new person!
A point of note, the creator of the comic is called Jeph.
I thought Jeph had said he wouldn't do that "Shakespearian misunderstanding" stuff as a plot device? :|
I second the aforementioned sentiments.
Ahh my bad. I was thinking of a friend of mine named Jeff, so I spelled it that way. Correction made. :D
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I'm very disappointed with Marigold right now.
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Huh, that's a stupid misunderstanding. Or rather Marigold jumping to conclusions prematurely.
Marigold has so little self-confidence. I could imagine that in this situation she acted as she did, because she is nervous. I imagine she really does not know how to talk normally with Dale, because they have only argued when they met (although Marigold used to be much more eloquent than just "hissss" - I'm thinking of the "Some people have a life and do not play WoW all the time" line). I could imagine that she actually would like to be friends with Dale or appear cool to him or something like that, but since she's afraid of failing to do that so much, she acts in this defensive, immature way instead. Also, once you've done this for so long, it's hard to change your behaviour towards someone. I think in this instance, she was sort of afraid of him just leaving, maybe even half-expecting it, that when she didn't immediately see him when coming back, her brain went "Ah, I knew it! He just wanted to get away from me."
Does that make sense?
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Yes, absolutely.
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She's got zip for positive social experience.
Bull. The cast is full of people who've been nothing but nice to her.* But in her mind she's still fixated on the negativity. It's a hard spell to break.
*also she touched a wiener
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Who knew Marigold was a Misandrist?
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She's got zip for positive social experience.
Bull. The cast is full of people who've been nothing but nice to her.* But in her mind she's still fixated on the negativity. It's a hard spell to break.
*also she touched a wiener
In-story, she's been treated well, with the one instance of what could be called unfortunate treatment -- Angus not reading/accepting her signals of interest -- being more or less inadvertent. What we've been given of her backstory, though (ironically, through the selectively oblivious Angus), suggests IICIH's statement is, in the main, correct.
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Dang, Marigold... Give the guy a little credit...
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Well... Marigold didn't want to be there in the first place, and she's not.
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I suppose Dale could have hung around until the ladies returned. But that being said, Marigold could also have asked some of the staff if they'd seen where he went rather than jump to conclusions. She may have paid for the meal, but I suspect she is going to regret storming out like that...
I must admit, I have experienced similar situations (and similar emotional responses) in the recent past (my 10th year high school reunion a couple of years back where, because of a misspelling in my updated invite, meant I didn't know there was an update). I was foresighted enough to check the original venue, but when they said there was no such reservation, I was broken, and felt pretty similar to how Marigold does in the strip. I ended up messaging the organiser, to double-check, and found out about it like an hour before the booking time. I still seethed over it on my way in, and found out about the spelling mistake when I got there. Needless to say, I felt like a jerk for the rest of the night.
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This may be a little too convenient but I wonder if Dale and Marigold went to school together and he used to bully her? I say it'd be convenient since Dale would obviously have no memory of it so far.
He could have been a bratty child or teenager and grew out of it. Plus Marigold's reaction to him in the comic is quite extreme. I know she has low self-esteem but her taken dislike almost seems like paranoia.
Or she really does take WoW that seriously.
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That seems far-fetched. I think it's just the WoW thing, and I don't think they knew each other before this (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1668), where he was perfectly friendly and she was passive until the revelation that he was Alliance scum. Dale seems pretty cool otherwise. After all, everybody likes Dale (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1640).
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Seriously, what is Marigolds problem? I've been liking her less and less lately.
I was thinking exactly the same. I didn't like the original strip where she first encountered Dale much, but it was somewhat in keeping with a character who has almost zero positive experience of socializing outside an online game context. I haven't really liked how the interaction with the two has developed since, either. I was somewhat starting to like it with the last couple of comics, but... this has disappointed me. It also disappointed me when Marigold was hissing at Dale in those strips a while ago.
Marigold was my favourite character. Right now... I don't think she is any more. I don't know who is.
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I'm (extremely) mildly annoyed with Momo. She should have insisted Marigold wait and if she wouldn't wait then Momo should have decided to wait. She's supposed to help Marigold become more social and she let herself be bullied into leaving with Marigold.
Hopefully Dale doesn't take this lying down. He could go to her apartment, though that might seem stalkerish. What he should do is get home and log into the MMO game and call Marigold out there. (Granted, also stalkerish but less in your face.)
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Sad comic. More so because I know people who do exactly what Marigold did during this entire arc. I really hope Dale isn't the kind of person to just give up after this. Quite frankly I wouldn't blame him if he did, but I also don't think it would fit his character. He seems very stubborn.
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Alright, I'm pretty much done with this Marigold/Dale thing. If Marigold is just gonna be a jerk, I really don't care. The hissing nonsense, the taking everything he says like it's an insult, I'm friggin fed up with her behavior. If it's just because he's on the opposite side in a video game, then that's just pathetic.
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I am also severely disappointed with Marigold, but not surprised, and I'm less "done" with the storyline because things like this are where drama and tension come from, sillyhead=P My guess is what will happen next is some confrontation in which Dale will be all "What happened?" and Mari will immediately go on the offensive (in her case, more like "go on the 'being defensive'"), and Dale will blow up at her and explain that she's not some picked on "geek" in their relationship: they both play games, and her self-consciousness and self-loathing has led to her preemptively attacking and mocking and showing disdain towards Dale; he's going to explain that she isn't being bullied; SHE IS THE BULLY. And I think that this confrontation will be good for Marigold, and will give us some insight into more depth and emotion in Dale. Either that or nothing will change. Or some other thing will happen. DEFINITELY one of those three things: What I said, nothing, or something else will happen.
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If it's just because he's on the opposite side in a video game...
I thought we had established in this thread it was not.
Edit: I wish I could upvote the post above me.
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Wait, what? I thought it was established that it was.
Dale will blow up at her
I honestly can't see this happening. Ever.
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Wait, what? I thought it was established that it was.Dale will blow up at her
I honestly can't see this happening. Ever.
I think it will because its exactly how that quiet persona thing works in stories: they are quiet, calm, collected, reserved...ever bit of mockery or disdain Mari has thrown at Dale he's taken with a calm and collected face. His reactions are always minimal, and he retorts, as if it doesn't bother him. That's EXACTLY the sort of character who (if you intend to develop them at all) you make suddenly snap and lose their cool. And I don't think he'll blow up at her out of NOWHERE, but rather that when Marigold goes on some self-righteous and self-pitying attack about what a jerk HE is for leaving, he'll be so insulted and so flabbergasted by how oblivious she is to her own misguided and misplaced anger that he'll pull a, "No, YOU aren't gonna yell, I'M gonna yell! Here's why you are being TOTALLY UNFAIR!" sorta thing and she'll be all "...!", and then she'll feel bad, which would otherwise cause her to close off MORE and avoid social interaction MORE, except Momo will help and more calmly say, "He's kind of right, but you didn't mean to be mean" and then Mari will apologize and then Dale will make a Horde character and they'll be BFF. Or something.
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While I agree we're pretty much set up for Dale to give Marigold a wake up call of some sort, I can more easily see Dale listening to a couple panels of yelling and then when she's done, he briefly says something along the lines of "you say all this, but you've been the one being a jerk the entire time" and then just leaving her to let the words sink in until she takes the foot out of her mouth and finds it in her to apologize.
But yeah, I see us just getting a glimpse of him being annoyed at the very least... but I'm not so sure about full-blown yelling/anger.
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GWF! Haven't seen you in days, man.
I half-expect the comic going into a Dale-centered POV for a few strips, Dale talking to one of his friends.
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She's got zip for positive social experience.
Bull. The cast is full of people who've been nothing but nice to her.* But in her mind she's still fixated on the negativity. It's a hard spell to break.
*also she touched a wiener
Good point. It's only been a few experiences but they've been quite positive. I'll retreat into "in her formative years".
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One consistent thing about QC is that "exactly what you'd expect" is rarely what happens. Also, Word of Jeph is that this comic is about (imperfect) people trying (imperfectly) to get along -- and none of the characters is right all the time or wrong all the time. Rather than take sides viz Dale or Marigold I will wait to see what happens in the one mind in which all these characters actually exist.
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honestly, i'd be kind of surprised if dale actually got all bent out of shape about this. yeah, it's rude to ditch people but it's not like he's actively trying to be marigold's friend. he actually seems pretty content to just ignore her at this point.
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Oh the drama
Oh the angst
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Well, Jeph posted this before this comic so...
(http://i.imgur.com/Tmglw1h.jpg)
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Uh oh. Troll Master Jephizba is on the March.
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Yellow alert!!
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Marbear.....you're really being an intolerable dick.
He's been nothing but nice, is a bit weird/creepy.
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Some people in this thread are as judgmental as Marigold is insecure. :roll:
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While I agree we're pretty much set up for Dale to give Marigold a wake up call of some sort, I can more easily see Dale listening to a couple panels of yelling and then when she's done, he briefly says something along the lines of "you say all this, but you've been the one being a jerk the entire time" and then just leaving her to let the words sink in until she takes the foot out of her mouth and finds it in her to apologize.
But yeah, I see us just getting a glimpse of him being annoyed at the very least... but I'm not so sure about full-blown yelling/anger.
I could see Marigold responding to that with something along the lines of "You're the jerk... jerk."
*was thinking of puns involving the word "jerk", but instead I'll just skip the pun and leave a water feeder bottle for the squirrel.
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I'm just honestly bored with the Marigold/Dale thing. I would be more interested if their interactions progressed to something more mature, actually have a conversation, actually make some sort of connection. But I just couldn't care less about this childish bickering.
I really wish Jeph would bring back focus to some more interesting characters, like Sven or Raven, or Claire, or Marten's Mom. heck, I would be thrilled to see Momo make an exciting new anthroPC friend. Anything but this highschool/sitcom stuff.
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I wouldn't mind seeing more of a character acting like a child, if it were Sam.
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meh, sure. But Sam's childishness is encouraging characters to grow. And we only get small doses of Sam.
With Marigold its two steps forward, one step back. No, maybe a half step forward, and then a half-step back.
I just don't have the energy to care about her story any more. If this were in small doses it might be more bearable, but the Marigold/Dale thing has been pretty heavily featured lately.
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Some people in this thread are as judgmental as Marigold is insecure. :roll:
I think the word you are looking for is oblivious, not insecure.
She seems to be 100% oblivious to the fact that she is treating Dale like other people treated her. She is bitter because people were dicks, yet she is doing the same thing. Maybe she will gain some self-awareness and learn that sometimes people being dicks are just broken and trying to deal with it and it has nothing to do with who you are.
But honestly, with where she is right now, it doesn't seem likely unless Dale shoves it in her face that she is being kind of a dick.
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Her best friend might point it out to her.
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Before or after the application of a few thousand volts?
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She doesn't play a musical instrument, so it must be her destiny to become a conductor.
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I have to say, I think Marigold's reaction is more nuanced than some people seem to be assuming. Look at her expression in the first panel. She might have been expecting Dale to be a jerk, but she's still hurt when it actually 'happens', perhaps because deep down she was hoping it wouldn't.
That said, I think the whole Marigold/Dale story arc has dragged on way too long. It was amusing at first, but once Dale decided to bury the hatchet it was time to move on to something else. That's especially true for Dale, since his role in the strip is pretty much defined by his relationship with Marigold.
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Welp, now we know why an otherwise good looking young woman like Marigold has never had a boyfriend and had to go into space to get kissed. And from the look of it, things won't go any further with Dale.
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I also think Marigold is being judged much too harshly here.
As I've said before in this thread, she just does not now how to deal with this kind of situation (remember how she acted when Francis showed interest in her and there was the prospect of having to talk to him alone, although she didn't know him at all - and they had not been in a fight for ages before that).
Also, Dale is not really innocent in this. Remember how many snide remarks she had to endure from him. I actually thought it was funny most of the time, but Marigold might not have, since she has little self-esteem and lots of experience with being bullied. A lot of those time she reacted quite well to that, though. I think Marigold secretly would like to appear cool and not much affected by anything Dale does, but is so nervous about it that she does not know how to pull that off properly. Of course, the Hissss is a little silly. But who isn't, once in a while?
I really don't think Marigold hates Dale at all, much less because of WoW. To me it seems much more that he makes her nervous and she doesn't know how to act around him.
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Mlle Germain, I don't think there is a lot of harsh judgement here (some, sure, but not a lot). Emperor Norton said it pretty well:
She is bitter because people were dicks, yet she is doing the same thing. Maybe she will gain some self-awareness and learn that sometimes people being dicks are just broken and trying to deal with it and it has nothing to do with who you are.
But honestly, with where she is right now, it doesn't seem likely unless Dale shoves it in her face that she is being kind of a dick.
Because she jumps to conclusions like that, she needs to learn that automatically assuming the worst in people is only going to bring out the worst in yourself. Sure, some people are as dickish as that, but not everyone.
TL;DR - Marigold needs to wake up to herself, for her own benefit and for her development as a person.
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All Marigold wants right now is to make a bee line for the MarBear Cave, and be left to stew in her own childish, distorted version of reality alone. I really hope Dale catches her first. There must be a back story for why he's been willing to put up with her bullshit for as long as he has.
Maybe he used to be like her himself?
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All Marigold wants right now is to make a bee line for the MarBear Cave, and be left to stew in her own childish, distorted version of reality alone. I really hope Dale catches her first. There must be a back story for why he's been willing to put up with her bullshit for as long as he has.
Maybe he used to be like her himself?
I figure it is almost guaranteed Dale was ostracized as a kid like Marigold probably was. He's nerdy, heavy into WoW, etc, etc. Dale probably gave up caring what other people thought a long time go and now just goes with the flow (and he seems really laid back. To the point he's so mellow it's like he's on a weed high on the time). High time Marigold got over herself as well. Amazing she hasn't progressed much given the stable of friends she's gotten now.
I mean, for fuck's sake! She was only invited to go into SPACE! :psyduck:
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Her best friend might point it out to her.
Before or after the application of a few thousand volts?
I rather think that this a job for Hannelore. Or at least, if Hannelore were to point this out to her, a lesson might sink in.
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She has (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2358). It seems no lesson was learned.
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I still suggest the high voltage attention getting technique.
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Some people in this thread are as judgmental as Marigold is insecure. :roll:
people being judgmental, on the internet? why that's just a ridiculous idea.
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Some people in this thread are as judgmental as Marigold is insecure. :roll:
Its not judgmental to recognize that someone is making huge missteps and the entire reason for it is ignoring all evidence to the contrary of their preconceived notions.
Pretending its all OK for someone to act like that because they were bullied in the past is just letting cycles of behavior continue indefinitely.
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I think Hannelore is not Marigold's best friend, just her best human friend.
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I really hope Dale catches her first. There must be a back story for why he's been willing to put up with her bullshit for as long as he has.
Maybe he used to be like her himself?
What bullshit? All there's really been from Marigold is the throwaway gag of not tipping him for being Alliance, and now this. All the rest of their little 'feud' was generated by Dale. Marigold's real problem is that since Dale showed himself the bigger man and tried to bury the hatchet, she's been unable to adjust. Since she got up this morning she's been behaving like the feud was still going, which I admit makes her look like pretty childish.
As for Dale, does he really care? We've already seen him walk straight past Marigold today. He didn't want to go out to dinner with Marigold, but Momo forced them. I doubt he's going to lose much sleep over the fact that Marigold doesn't like him.
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Some people in this thread are as judgmental as Marigold is insecure. :roll:
They're holding her to her actions. Even if she's doing it because she's insecure that doesn't make everything ok.
Especially how it was portrayed. She had a voice of reason, but wouldn't listen. She wanted Dale to have ditched her or she wanted a excuse to ditch him.
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Some people in this thread are as judgmental as Marigold is insecure. :roll:
Its not judgmental to recognize that someone is making huge missteps and the entire reason for it is ignoring all evidence to the contrary of their preconceived notions.
Pretending its all OK for someone to act like that because they were bullied in the past is just letting cycles of behavior continue indefinitely.
i don't remember, was it ever stated in the strip that she had been bullied, or is that just an assumption by the readers.
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i don't remember, was it ever stated in the strip that she had been bullied, or is that just an assumption by the readers.
It was stated.
(http://i.imgur.com/LaTbkdJ.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/APFb5uE.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ckERIgk.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/vvvjJXg.jpg)
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Its not judgmental to recognize that someone is making huge missteps and the entire reason for it is ignoring all evidence to the contrary of their preconceived notions.
Oh, I agree that she misstepped. I was referring to people throwing around words like 'jerk.'
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Marigold, listen to Momo. By now you should realize that she is perceptive, honest, and has your best interests at heart.
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Which is that much more fascinating, considering she doesn't have one.
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i don't remember, was it ever stated in the strip that she had been bullied, or is that just an assumption by the readers.
As well as the examples posted by K1dmor, there was also the noodle incident (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1615).
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All there's really been from Marigold is the throwaway gag of not tipping him for being Alliance, and now this. All the rest of their little 'feud' was generated by Dale. Marigold's real problem is that since Dale showed himself the bigger man and tried to bury the hatchet, she's been unable to adjust. Since she got up this morning she's been behaving like the feud was still going, which I admit makes her look like pretty childish.
Oh, I agree that she misstepped. I was referring to people throwing around words like 'jerk.'
I agree with that. I think the people "defending" Marigold (like me) don't really think she behaved in a great way and everything she does is fine because she was bullied, but rather objected to her being called a jerk and her character being judged negatively as a whole. In my opinion, acting in a dumb and childish way sometimes, maybe even unintentially hurting someone in the process, does not automatically mean someone has a bad character or is a jerk or has a distorted version of reality or something like that. I think everyone "defending" Marigold rather wanted to point out that her behaviour might be understandable or could be explained regarding the history of Marigold's and Dale's previous interaction, not that it was good or excusable
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All the rest of their little 'feud' was generated by Dale.
HISSSS.
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I would point out that just because you call someone a jerk in one circumstance, doesn't mean that you necessarily think they are a jerk universally.
Marigold is being a jerk right now. That doesn't mean she is a jerk 100% of the time. I mean I described her as acting like a dick right now. That doesn't mean I think she is a dick all the time.
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As well as the examples posted by K1dmor, there was also the noodle incident (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1615).
And don't forget the other noodle incident (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoodleIncident).
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... Pretending its all OK for someone to act like that because they were bullied in the past is just letting cycles of behavior continue indefinitely.
There's a difference between "pretending it's OK" and "understanding why."
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... Pretending its all OK for someone to act like that because they were bullied in the past is just letting cycles of behavior continue indefinitely.
There's a difference between "pretending it's OK" and "understanding why."
See, that's the problem though, the person you are a dick to doesn't get the benefit of omniscient reader view. That is why even if there is a reason, its important to understand that its still not acceptable, and a reason is not an excuse.
The thing is that we all do things that aren't acceptable, we all screw up, but avoiding admitting that I'm being a jerk if I am doesn't HELP the situation, which is why I don't get people acting like calling her a jerk in this situation is in any way wrong. She is being a jerk. She may have reasons that make it understandable, but that doesn't make her not a jerk.
And like I said, being a jerk in one circumstance doesn't equal being a jerk overall.
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Someone nudge Westrim, time to make the new week's thread.
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Or someone else can make it if they want.
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Yeah, it'll be here in a bit.
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TYVM. :)
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I'm (extremely) mildly annoyed with Momo. She should have insisted Marigold wait and if she wouldn't wait then Momo should have decided to wait. She's supposed to help Marigold become more social and she let herself be bullied into leaving with Marigold.
As much as Momo expounds AI rights, it's kinda suspect in this situation how she submissively allows Marigold to dictate the situation and not act out her views more thoroughly in the matter, given earlier she literally forced two folks, possibly against their will, into the diner situation to make Marigold be less socially awkward. It's almost like something within her programming clicks on to "obey" Marigold.
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I really wondered about that too. Maybe she's afraid of overusing her assertiveness?
Jeph said AnthroPCs don't have programmed obedience, but instead have "absolute" free will. Of course, free will might include taking on an obedient role (employee, for example).
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Maybe she's afraid of overusing her assertiveness?
That's the one. Sometimes, you have to be forceful to get someone to do something for their own good, but you can't maintain a friendship purely based on "When I tell you to jump, you say how high, and I administer a small electric shock". If they are resisting, you've got to let them have their own way once in a while.
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And then let them learn from their horrible mistakes.