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Does anyone else find Faye's reactions to Marigold to be wildly uncalled for?

Like, I get that Faye is meant to be a bitch, but I've always interpreted her bitchiness as  a manifestation of her innate feminism, and thus normally directed toward men. I'm surprised to see that Marigold is getting the same treatment as, say, Angus or Sven. Furthermore, I understand that Faye's protective of Dora, and Dora's relationship with Marten, but she has to be WILDLY UNHINGED if she really thinks that Marigold is a) competition for Dora or b) even into dudes. Honestly, Marigold might as well be the president of the Smif College Asexual Club (Meetings in Hubbard House, Tuesdays @ 6pm!!). Seriously, though, this whole Faye versus Marigold story-arc strikes me as super OOC for Faye, and is making me dislike her a little bit 


PS: IMO, Marigold is a GREAT opportunity for Hanners to finally get some. Not saying, just saying.

[Is it cold in here?]

Considering the way Faye treated Raven, Vicky, Pennelope, and numerous female customers, Faye is an equal opportunity snarker.

The reason for Faye's reaction is a good topic for discussion. What if she's mad at Marigold for fixing Pintsize?

[nichidani]

what the fuck is up with hanners/marigold shippers. marigold is a nasty shit who never bathes, and hanny has severe ocd. i mean, yeah they both have social issues, but that is not grounds for a lesbian humpfest. JEEZ.

oh and faye is a bitch to everyone. ev-uh-ry one.

[Jace]

but she has to be WILDLY UNHINGED if she really thinks that Marigold is a) competition for Dora or b) even into dudes.

Wait, so, based on the very limited information we have about her, you have now determined that she is not into dudes? You could parallel Charles Xavier.

[akronnick]

Not saying, just saying.

Does that even make sense?

I think thus far, the only character who has desereved Faye's wrath was Sven, and when he REaEaEaLLY deserved it, she simply walked out. Granted, she started screaming obscenities at random strangers walking down the street...

My point is, Faye is mean to everyone, moreso those who have done nothing to earn it. It's the thing that defines her personality, and even though she is aware of it, she has to try real hard to suppress the urge to lash out. Now that Sven is no longer in the picture, she doesn't even have the option of emotional release in other ways.

One last point then I'll shut up.

I don't think Faye actually beleives that Marigold wants to move in on Marten, I think she was just giving Dora a hard time.

[Cartilage Head]

Faye is pretty much a really sucky character. We have already discussed this.

[LeeC]

you know come to think of it when was the last time just marten and faye hung out?  No steve, hanners, dora, sven.  Just them.  It could be Jeph is forshadowing something.  Faye feels left out.  No Sven and people are distracting the one other guy she cares about: Marten.  It could be she is still worried that her and Marten wont hang out as much anymore.  She has said quite a number of times that she fears loosing him as a friend, both after the talk and after dora and marten got together.  It could just be that she feels people are distancing them or that she just feels distant.

[Knuckx117]

what the fuck is up with hanners/marigold shippers. marigold is a nasty shit who never bathes, and hanny has severe ocd. i mean, yeah they both have social issues, but that is not grounds for a lesbian humpfest. JEEZ.

I think Hannelore and Marigold balance each other out quite nicely.

[Windyo]

Faye feels left out.

I'm thinking that too. If you look back at the first comics, Faye wasn't really a bitch, truth be told : she was more of an overtly critical, cynical and jaded character. True she sassed others sometimes, but not to such an extent as... Well, as since Marten and Dora have been dating. At first their getting together had hurt her, and so she'd recoiled a bit, but now she's over it, people have changed. Marten and her are more "good roommates" than friends, and she's started chasing her own demons.

Truth be said, Faye has a right to be kinda bitchy-bitchy right now...

[nichidani]

Truth be said, Faye has a right to be kinda bitchy-bitchy right now...

why is that? because of marten and dora being together, or because of what happened with sven?

[LeeC]

I wouldnt say she has a right to be bitchy, more or less its probably natural for her to be bitchy.  She just feels left out, and being bitchy gets some attention but not necessarily the good kind.  

edit: unless your Angus I suppose.

[Windyo]

why is that? because of marten and dora being together, or because of what happened with sven?

Well, if you sum things up :

-she just realized she wasn't able to mentally handle a relationship
-the boy she liked was taken up very quickly after she had the courage to tel him it wasn't going to be possible because of her issues
-she just started REALLY mourning her father instead of fleeing
-she just got hurt by Sven (should have known so but anyway...)
-the only outlet she had (Marten) isn't even here for her as a friend

I must say that it's quite a killer combo, s she kinda has the right to bitch ... Even if her initial profile was inclined to bitching anyway.

[Surgoshan]

Faye is pretty much a really sucky character. We have already discussed this.

The only person who knows the absolute truth of her suck would be Sven.

[scarred]

The only person who knows the absolute truth of her suck would be Sven.

[maddness]

Furthermore, I understand that Faye's protective of Dora, and Dora's relationship with Marten, but she has to be WILDLY UNHINGED if she really thinks that Marigold is a) competition for Dora or b) even into dudes.

Is it because she likes yaoi and/or gaming that folk assume Marigold isn't into dudes? Because I love gaming, WoW in particular just now, am a huge fan of hot man on man action and I'm into dudes.

I can see no basis for opinions that Marigold is either into men or women. Just because the shippers went nuts over her and Hanners, who hasn't shown tendencies to dig ladies either, that doesn't mean Marigold has to be into women.

[LeeC]

Men like seeing girl on girl action, and at the same time still prefer women.  I honestly dont think marigold is into women, she's just socially inept.

@Windyo:  Yeah those are kinda my points, particularly the last one, but I wount say she has the right to be bitchy, its just the natural response when in that situation.  For anyone.

[nichidani]

damnit. i just realized there is a sexuality debate going on in two different fucking boards right now.

[themacnut]

you know come to think of it when was the last time just marten and faye hung out?  No steve, hanners, dora, sven.  Just them.  It could be Jeph is forshadowing something.  Faye feels left out.  No Sven and people are distracting the one other guy she cares about: Marten.  It could be she is still worried that her and Marten wont hang out as much anymore.  She has said quite a number of times that she fears loosing him as a friend, both after the talk and after dora and marten got together.  It could just be that she feels people are distancing them or that she just feels distant.

Well, first off, a man wants to hang out more often with the woman he's having sex with rather than the woman who won't have sex with him. It's only natural, after all, the more he hangs out with the woman he's banging, the more sex he's likely to get. It's a no-brainer for the average man. 

So if Faye wants Marten to hang out with her more often, she's just going to have to have sex with him. This will have the bonus of most likely causing Dora to dump him, so Faye will once again have Marten entirely to herself. Of course, it will probably also cost her Dora's friendship, her job, and get her exiled forever from Coffee of Doom, so Marten will have to be both her only social AND sexual outlet for awhile, but tradeoffs are a part of life...

[wargrafix]

but can faye match Dora's bedroom skillz? I doubt it.

[JD]

you know come to think of it when was the last time just marten and faye hung out?  No steve, hanners, dora, sven.  Just them.  It could be Jeph is forshadowing something.  Faye feels left out.  No Sven and people are distracting the one other guy she cares about: Marten.  It could be she is still worried that her and Marten wont hang out as much anymore.  She has said quite a number of times that she fears loosing him as a friend, both after the talk and after dora and marten got together.  It could just be that she feels people are distancing them or that she just feels distant.

Well, first off, a man wants to hang out more often with the woman he's having sex with rather than the woman who won't have sex with him. It's only natural, after all, the more he hangs out with the woman he's banging, the more sex he's likely to get. It's a no-brainer for the average man.

So if Faye wants Marten to hang out with her more often, she's just going to have to have sex with him. This will have the bonus of most likely causing Dora to dump him, so Faye will once again have Marten entirely to herself. Of course, it will probably also cost her Dora's friendship, her job, and get her exiled forever from Coffee of Doom, so Marten will have to be both her only social AND sexual outlet for awhile, but tradeoffs are a part of life...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[JD]

That reasoning is utter shit.

[pwhodges]

It just follows what sometimes seems to be the norm for this forum, assuming that all relationships are based on sex.  Which, however, I can assure those concerned, is not quite true.

Of course at a certain stage of life (younger than the cast of this comic) it does seem the only possibillity much of the time.

[JD]

I like to think Marten isn't solely motivated by sex. Which themacnut seemed to be implying.

[wargrafix]

he said before, he just wants to be happy.

[LeeC]

he said before, he just wants to be happy.

I havnt seen him clap his hands,  I dont think he is happy or he doesnt know, or really doesnt want to show it. 

[themacnut]

No, Marten's not solely motivated by sex, otherwise he would have dropped Faye completely as a friend after he and Dora became a couple. He'd just be saying "hi/bye" to her as he walked past her in the apartment, and not much more than "hi, is Dora here?" when he came to the coffee shop. He also might have kicked Faye out of the apartment after "The Talk" if all he wanted from her was sex.

I'm just saying it's only natural that when people get into romantic relationships, they tend to spend more time with their lovers than their friends, at least early on in the relationship, which it still is for Marten and Dora. I tried to say that in a joking manner in my post above, guess I shouldn't have left out the smiley. In fact, maybe I should edit it and add a couple...

[LeeC]

I agree themacnut, however I am not saying its a bad thing, just a possible reason for Faye's insecurities is that she doesnt hang out with Marten as much anymore.  It IS because he is with dora, but that doesnt mean Faye cant feel left out.

[wargrafix]

he said before, he just wants to be happy.

I havnt seen him clap his hands,  I dont think he is happy or he doesnt know, or really doesnt want to show it. 

martin never striked me as a "clapper"

[maddness]

marigoldfarmer @pintsize0101 sorry I'm not into girl on girl

I think that pretty much makes it official, folks!

[Nightson]

Heh, so from Marigold's twitter

"sorry I'm not into girl on girl"

Not that I expect it to do a single thing at all to discourage marigold/hanners shippers

[JD]

No, Marten's not solely motivated by sex, otherwise he would have dropped Faye completely as a friend after he and Dora became a couple. He'd just be saying "hi/bye" to her as he walked past her in the apartment, and not much more than "hi, is Dora here?" when he came to the coffee shop. He also might have kicked Faye out of the apartment after "The Talk" if all he wanted from her was sex.

I'm just saying it's only natural that when people get into romantic relationships, they tend to spend more time with their lovers than their friends, at least early on in the relationship, which it still is for Marten and Dora. I tried to say that in a joking manner in my post above, guess I shouldn't have left out the smiley. In fact, maybe I should edit it and add a couple...

whoops sorry

Have a sorry high five    o/