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« Reply #50 on: 11 Apr 2006, 12:12 »

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hmmm.......


Did we mention the Third Hokage from Naruto?


Not to mention the Fourth Hokage, though that one does precede the events of the story...
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« Reply #51 on: 11 Apr 2006, 12:59 »

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Darth Vader would have been cooler if he'd topped that nancy boy Luke and never repented.


Correction, it would have been cooler if he'd just offed Mark Hamill.  David Prowse would be forever my hero had he done that.
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« Reply #52 on: 11 Apr 2006, 13:13 »

Love him or hate him, Mark Hamill = Best Joker ever.
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« Reply #53 on: 11 Apr 2006, 13:33 »

Mark Hamill = Wing Commander, anyone?

oh shit, wrong thread!



Wait a minute, did someone say Star Wars?  Arvel Krynyd, the guy who crashed through the bridge of the Executor!  Seriously!

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« Reply #54 on: 11 Apr 2006, 13:43 »

Yeah, but they may have gotten someone, you know, good for Wing Commander.  Though, Ginger Lynn Allen in there was pretty hilarious, and I'm totally in love with the woman who played Panther in IV.

Also, I don't think he really intended to die.  Let's also not forget Biggs Darklighter.

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Mark Hamill has done a ton of really great voice acting, it's where he belongs. His overacting in cartoons is actually a good thing. His voice acting redeems anything else he may have done.


I did think about his voice acting shortly after I posted, which I do agree has been excellent.

Also, I'd have to say Band of Brothers has some damned heroic deaths.
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« Reply #55 on: 11 Apr 2006, 15:15 »

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Mark Hamill has done a ton of really great voice acting, it's where he belongs. His overacting in cartoons is actually a good thing. His voice acting redeems anything else he may have done.


Hamill-bashing is really starting to piss me off now.  Here's a few cluebats round the head:

1) Hamill is generally considered to have been excellent in The Big Red One, and of course he has a very good reputation for his extensive voice work.

2) George Lucas is known far and wide as a poor director of actors.

Why, then, is Hamill the only person who ever takes the blame for weaknesses in his performance?  Even Carrie Fisher doesn't, and everyone knows she was coked to the eyeballs for the whole Star Wars shoot.

OK, so he's not Olivier.  But he's a decent actor who makes a good living in the toughest, most fickle trade on earth, so lay the fuck off him, already.
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« Reply #56 on: 11 Apr 2006, 15:54 »

I wasn't bashing Hamil.

Just Luke.

Fisher gives her best coked up performance in The Blues Brothers, where it gives her a touch of extra psychotic mystery. She cleaned up after nearly getting fired from that one, I believe.
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« Reply #57 on: 11 Apr 2006, 16:00 »

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Ash from the Pokemon movie!!!!


HE DIES?!
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« Reply #58 on: 11 Apr 2006, 16:18 »

But is revived shortly after.
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« Reply #59 on: 11 Apr 2006, 16:50 »

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I wasn't bashing Hamil.

Just Luke.

Fisher gives her best coked up performance in The Blues Brothers, where it gives her a touch of extra psychotic mystery. She cleaned up after nearly getting fired from that one, I believe.


Temporarily.  She went into rehab for addiction to prescription drugs in 1998; she's been clean since then.
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« Reply #60 on: 11 Apr 2006, 17:41 »

Yeah, I like Hamil, he has done the best Joker voice for the Batman cartoon I've ever heard.  He just fits it perfectly.
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« Reply #61 on: 11 Apr 2006, 18:46 »

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1) Hamill is generally considered to have been excellent in The Big Red One, and of course he has a very good reputation for his extensive voice work.


Haven't seen that, but I also haven't seen him in anything where he has been good (note the use of the word "seen").

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2) George Lucas is known far and wide as a poor director of actors.


George Lucas didn't direct any but the first Star Wars, and the worst performances were in the second two.

Also, I readily admit that his voice acting is damned good.
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« Reply #62 on: 11 Apr 2006, 20:46 »

EDIT: Liter needs to learn how to read.


Corvette Summer, anyone?

... Anyone?  *Crickets*

Dammit.


Anyway, well shit.  Buffy.  Buffy the Vampire Slayer, what did she do?  JUMPED INTO A GIGANTIC ELECTRICAL GATE THAT SHOCKED HER TO DEATH.  That was pretty cool.  Dammit, I know kung-fu films have tons but I can't recall any right now.  Little help, anyone?

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« Reply #63 on: 11 Apr 2006, 22:40 »

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Also, I don't think he really intended to die.  Let's also not forget Biggs Darklighter.


It's a pity no one really remembers the valor, heroism, and sacrifice of Porkins.

Dunno if it's heroic, but Roy Batty had the finest death in cinematic history.
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« Reply #64 on: 11 Apr 2006, 22:48 »

I thought about Porkins, but he could have just ejected like Biggs told him to.
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« Reply #65 on: 12 Apr 2006, 17:12 »

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If we're taking extended universe as Canon, Boba Fett doesn't die there. He crawls out somehow. Possibly after beating the Sarlaac to death from the inside with his bare fists.
He's rescued by one of the other bounty hunters that was sent to kill/capture Hans Solo, a dude named Dengar.  It's in a book that has all the tales of the Bounty Hunters (and I should mention that they are all killed/captured themselves except for Boba Fett and Dengar.)
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« Reply #66 on: 12 Apr 2006, 18:16 »

Wait, I don't rememer Zuckuss getting captured or killed (same with his partner, 4-LOM).  IG-88, though he died, is still the most badass.  Maybe I should read that book again.
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« Reply #67 on: 12 Apr 2006, 20:56 »

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Anyway, well shit.  Buffy.  Buffy the Vampire Slayer, what did she do?  JUMPED INTO A GIGANTIC ELECTRICAL GATE THAT SHOCKED HER TO DEATH.  That was pretty cool.


I don't know about "most heroic" or "most badass", but clearly the hands-down greatest movie death-scene ever is Paul Reubens (a.k.a. Pee-Wee Herman) in the original Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie.  "Ooh!  Aah!  Ooh!  Aah!" (kick kick kick)
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« Reply #68 on: 12 Apr 2006, 21:16 »

hahahahahahahahah



Even AFTER the credits were done!  Oh man, priceless.


Hmmm...... king Kong anyone in the realm of futility?

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« Reply #69 on: 13 Apr 2006, 01:24 »

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I don't know about "most heroic" or "most badass", but clearly the hands-down greatest movie death-scene ever is Paul Reubens (a.k.a. Pee-Wee Herman) in the original Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie.  "Ooh!  Aah!  Ooh!  Aah!" (kick kick kick)


That wasn't in the movie, that was when he was in the cinema later.
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« Reply #70 on: 13 Apr 2006, 07:00 »

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Wait, I don't rememer Zuckuss getting captured or killed (same with his partner, 4-LOM).  IG-88, though he died, is still the most badass.  Maybe I should read that book again.
*thinks*  I don't even remember who Zuckuss was, although I think I know who 4-LOM was because I might have had a toy... anyway.

I remember that the reptile dude (totally forgot his name) was captured by some other bounty hunter that was after reptilian species for some reason.  IG-88 was killed, all of 6 times, and was possibly the most memorable boss fight in Shadows of the Empire (one of the best Star Wars of games of all time).  Dengar found some empathic type of blue creature that was able to give him a semblance of what it was like to feel emotion again, and rescued Boba Fett fromt he Sarlaac.  Then the story about Fett himself was based way in the future where he and Hans were old fogeys.

I think I'm missing like 2 bounty hunters...  Maybe I should read the book again myself, haha.
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« Reply #71 on: 13 Apr 2006, 12:11 »

Zuckuss was the gand (the guy who had to breathe methane) and his partner was 4-LOM.  They boarded a transport that was escaping Hoth looking for bounties, but ended up helping the rebels escape (Toryn Farr was among those on the transport).
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« Reply #72 on: 13 Apr 2006, 14:55 »

And the reptile dude was Bossk, I believe.
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« Reply #73 on: 13 Apr 2006, 15:16 »

Nah, you've accounted for all of them, I believe.
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« Reply #74 on: 13 Apr 2006, 16:29 »

I'm really disappointed in all of you and myself for knowing all the names of those bounty hunters.


most of all in me, because I've never read any of that awful fanfics made official.
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« Reply #75 on: 15 Apr 2006, 15:02 »

The best heroic death movie is Sam Peckinpah's "The Wild Bunch."

I'm serious.
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« Reply #76 on: 16 Apr 2006, 03:31 »

Which, the four dudes or the seven hundred Mexicans?
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« Reply #77 on: 30 Apr 2006, 11:00 »

Since the original topic was cool movie deaths, and not necessarily heroic deaths, I'm going to throw out a few oddball choices.

Toshiro Mifune in Throne of Blood. If you've seen it (Kurosawa doing Shakespeare's Macbeth), you'd know exactly what I'm talking about. It takes 15 minutes for him to die!

Tira (is that her name? I forget) in the anime version of Metropolis.

And the most obscure of all: Turtles Can Fly. This film was made in Iraq after Saddam Hussein fell. It takes place in a Kurdish village, and all the Kurds in the movie hate Saddam and eagerly await the arrival of the U.S. forces. But that isn't to say the Americans are shown as heroes, either. You'll have to see for yourself.

If you ever get a chance to see it, you'll understand why I feel so strongly about this film. It shows what war does to children, and the characters really stick with you. Especially the ones that don't make it.
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« Reply #78 on: 02 May 2006, 12:59 »

It wasn't heroic but by far the most awesome death was that of R.P.Mcmurphy in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. Also Andy Kaufman in Man On The Moon.
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« Reply #79 on: 02 May 2006, 15:34 »

Tom Hanks' character in "Saving Private Ryan"

Asuka, End of Evangelion (although I'm a little confused about that one. Did she actually die or not?)

Ken Watanabe in "the Last Samurai"

Boromir

Knockout Ned (City of God)

Anonymous Rebel Pilot #16 (Kamikaze'd his fighter into the Super star destroyer in return of the jedi)

Anonymous Jedi Kid #1 (Episode 3, goes down fighting)

Qui-Gonn Jin.

This one's not from a  movie, but a book: Kage (Last Chancers novels, "Annihilation Squad")
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« Reply #80 on: 03 May 2006, 13:58 »

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Asuka, End of Evangelion (although I'm a little confused about that one. Did she actually die or not?)


You have every right to be confused; Evangelion is not meant to be understood by normal human beings. She was inside her Eva robot when the other robots began to devour it. But she does show up at the very end, after the world is destroyed. Shinji, as the last man alive, apparently re-creates the world through the sheer force of his will, but what he comes up with is chaos and the two of them lying on the shore. He starts to strangle her, rather than allowing humanity to continue, and she doesn't even fight back. But he can't go through with it, leaving her to utter the Japanese equivalent of "Geez, you're a wimp."

Fade to black, roll credits, and watch Gainax rake in the dough 10 years later.
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« Reply #81 on: 03 May 2006, 17:14 »

Daniel Day-Lewis as Bill the Butcher in Gangs of New York,and also as John Proctor in The Crucible.

 Mickey Rourke as Marv,Sin City.

 Bruce Willis as Brannigan,Sin City.

 Wilson Jermaine Heredia as Angel Dummont Schunard,Rent.

 Jude Law as Inman,Cold Mountain.

 The Devil's Rejects,The Devil's Rejects.

 Tyler Durden,Fight Club.
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« Reply #82 on: 03 May 2006, 21:11 »

You guys say Boromir was a heroic death, but nobody's mentioned Gandalf?  He got the others to run and faced down a Balrog on his own!  How is that not heroic?
And before anyone even says it, he DID die.  Then he came back in his second and more powerful Boss Form - Gandalf the White.  If he'd died again he woulda come back as Uber MechaGandalf.

Um... who else?
Jason Todd (Robin II) died heroically.  It was hella nasty, but heroic.
Zach from Dark Angel shot himself to save Max.
Doc Ock from Spider-Man 2.  He repented and *then* died heroically.
Harry Stamper (Willis) from Armegeddon killed himself with a freaking nuke to save the world.  BADASS TO THE POWER OF INFINITY.
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« Reply #83 on: 04 May 2006, 05:56 »

agree with pretty much everything so far, but will throw in
 Miles Dyson, in Terminator 2, blowing up himself along with the lab
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« Reply #84 on: 04 May 2006, 16:11 »

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Tyler Durden,Fight Club.

I have to ask about this one.  Tyler dying a hero?

Insofar as Fight Club had a villain, it was Tyler.  He started a terrorist organisation, blew up the narrator's apartment and tried to take over his life, and was probably directly or indirectly responsible for a lot of deaths.
In the end, the narrator killed Tyler to regain control over his own life, and then consciously took over Tyler's role as leader of Project Mayhem.

Heroic?
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« Reply #85 on: 04 May 2006, 17:30 »

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In the end, the narrator killed Tyler to regain control over his own life, and then consciously took over Tyler's role as leader of Project Mayhem.

Heroic?


You're forgetting that the narrator was Tyler Durden.  People keep telling me that at the end of the movie he's killed when the building he was in explodes - thus the crumble-cut at the end - but I don't recall the bomb ever being reconnected.
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« Reply #86 on: 04 May 2006, 17:56 »

The Brave Little Toaster when he jumped into the gears to save his master.

Querky I know, but still.
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« Reply #87 on: 04 May 2006, 21:40 »

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You're forgetting that the narrator was Tyler Durden.  People keep telling me that at the end of the movie he's killed when the building he was in explodes - thus the crumble-cut at the end - but I don't recall the bomb ever being reconnected.

No, they weren't really the same person.  They shared a body, but they had distinct seperate identities, which was what caused all the trouble.  Being the dominant personality, Tyler was able to take control when he wanted to, but he and the narrator had different minds and personalities within the same brain.
Tyler's "death" was more of a symbolic death when the narrator destroyed the Tyler's persona.  But for all intents and purposes, the narrator-personality killed the Tyler-personality.

Anyway, that's beside the point.  As far as a heroic death goes, Tyler still fails.  Either you're right and Tyler never died, or I'm right and he didn't die heroically.  The result's the same, so far as this thread's concerned.
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« Reply #88 on: 05 May 2006, 02:57 »

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Being the dominant personality, Tyler was able to take control when he wanted to,


Pitt-Tyler wasn't the dominant personality, or even a second personality at all.  He was a dissociative hallucination.  

Remember when Bob tells Norton-Tyler that people say Tyler Durden only sleeps one hour a night?  It's absolutely true - because Tyler never stopped being an insomniac.  What happened was that Tyler's stress-related insomnia drove him nuts and he became violent (if you think this sounds stupid, think again; I've been there myself).  He then created an imaginary friend - Pitt-Tyler - to disassociate himself from the violent acts, and false memories of himself sleeping or observing Pitt-Tyler to explain to himself what he was doing at those times.

However, the conflict between what he was doing and his social programming only served to increase his stress and feed his insomnia.  It became an endless and escalating cycle: he'd try expiating his stress through violence, become more stressed because of the consequences of the violence, and have to do something more extreme to try and get rid of the increased stress level.  Eventually he reached the point of planning to blow up the buildings, and went into complete denial.  That's when Pitt-Tyler disappeared.

This is all a lot more clear in the movie than it is in the book.   In the book, "Pitt-Tyler" says they're not two separate men but also treats "Norton-Tyler" as a separate individual.  In the movie he spells it out on two occasions:

"People do it everyday, they talk to themselves... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

"All the ways you wish you could be, that's me. I look like you wanna look; I fuck like you wanna fuck. I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not."

Emphasis mine on that second quote.  In other words, Pitt-Tyler not only looks like Norton-Tyler wants to look and fucks like he wants to fuck - he says what Tyler wants to say and does what Tyler wants to do.  Ultimately, though, they are one person and Tyler is only battling against the demons of his own worse nature.
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« Reply #89 on: 05 May 2006, 19:41 »

That's a good argument, but there's one important flaw in it.

Norton-Tyler saw himself as a seperate entity from Pitt-Tyler.

Norton-Tyler did create Pitt-Tyler as a defense mechanism, it's true.  The existence of Pitt-Tyler was solely to justify Norton-Tyler's breakdown by "making it someone else's fault," as it were.
However, Norton-Tyler didn't consciously create Pitt-Tyler with that intention.  So far as his conscious mind went, this was all new and confusing stuff.  Furthermore, when called by the name "Tyler Durten" he became massively confused - suggesting that this was not, in fact, Norton-Tyler's real name.
What this gets into is the real nitty-gritty of existential crisis: "If I don't think I exist, do I really exist?"  Norton-Tyler believes that he exists as a seperate entity to Pitt-Tyler.  Furthermore, he was the original persona - Pitt-Tyler didn't create *him*.  So, since he's the original and he believes that he is a seperate entity... well, for all intents and purposes within their shared head, he IS a seperate entity.  That's the very basis of Multiple Personality Disorder - two or more completely seperate consciousnesses co-existing within the one mind.

Leading up to Project Mayhem's great plot, Norton-Tyler began to realise the truth about his relationship with Pitt-Tyler, and react to it.  It quickly became obvious that he couldn't simply reject Pitt-Tyler any more; that persona had become far too powerful to be killed.
This is what I meant by Pitt-Tyler being the dominant persona.  He was aware of their split-personality nature, and being aware of it allowed him to access Norton-Tyler's mind and forcibly take control of their body.
However, Norton-Tyler began to figure out how to do that for himself, as shown when he deactivated the bomb in the back of the van.  By the time of the climax, Norton-Tyler accepted what had happened in his life and began to regain his role as the dominant persona.  At this instant, he accepted who he was - and consquently, Pitt-Tyler was no longer needed.  The defence mechanism wasn't necessary any more, which was what allowed Norton-Tyler to "kill" Pitt-Tyler and re-merge their minds.
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« Reply #90 on: 06 May 2006, 02:43 »

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That's a good argument, but there's one important flaw in it.

Norton-Tyler saw himself as a seperate entity from Pitt-Tyler.


I need to ask at this point if you are or have been an Honours candidate in Psychology.  That you think of Norton-Tyler not believing his imaginary friend to be himself as a flaw in my argument suggests to me that you are/have not - in which case, please accept that I know more about this than you do.  (If you are an Honours candidate then you're simply mistaken, but there's nothing wrong with that, I'm sure.  :))

I do agree with you that "Norton-Tyler" probably isn't called Tyler Durden, though.  I used it only as a convenient label to identify that they are the same person, but in different aspects.
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« Reply #91 on: 06 May 2006, 03:44 »

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I need to ask at this point if you are or have been an Honours candidate in Psychology.  That you think of Norton-Tyler not believing his imaginary friend to be himself as a flaw in my argument suggests to me that you are/have not - in which case, please accept that I know more about this than you do.  (If you are an Honours candidate then you're simply mistaken, but there's nothing wrong with that, I'm sure.  :))

I do agree with you that "Norton-Tyler" probably isn't called Tyler Durden, though.  I used it only as a convenient label to identify that they are the same person, but in different aspects.

No, no, you're quite right.  I was putting forth the situation as I saw it, but I have no professional knowledge of multiple personality disorder.  I've studied a thing or two about it, but not in detail and only enough to use as a plot device in works of fiction.  If you know what you're talking about then I bow to your superior knowledge.
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« Reply #92 on: 06 May 2006, 09:30 »

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No, no, you're quite right.  I was putting forth the situation as I saw it, but I have no professional knowledge of multiple personality disorder.  I've studied a thing or two about it, but not in detail and only enough to use as a plot device in works of fiction.  If you know what you're talking about then I bow to your superior knowledge.


My knowledge probably isn't that superior, but it does range wider.  I have more choices available for best fit.  Anyway, I think we were mainly arguing over the colour of the elephant's shirt.  Let the thread get back on topic.
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